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Republicans ignore the will of the people over taxes, again.

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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:55 AM
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California? Our nations leading Nanny state. A state that is infected with ridiculous spending, high taxes and out of control "fees". A state that is bankrupt. A state that is losing companies and investments at a record setting pace. thebusinessrelocationcoach.blogspot.com...

www.uncoverage.net...

Will higher taxes and limitless spending saving California? Probably not. Time for the people of California to take a closer look at those that they have elected to represent their "best interests". Sincerely. California is sadly in trouble if they don't adopt some serious austerity measures very soon. The entire state can't survive off of Hollywood alone. It seems that the entire state is typically represented by only two maybe three population centers. All others "be damned".

Californians are beginning to see the reality while still clinging to their optimism
economy.ocregister.com...

Blaming Republicans in California of all places. Too funny

California Democrats will blame Republicans Once they find one

edit on 25-4-2011 by jibeho because: (no reason given)




posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:56 AM
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Nothing was shoved down my throat, he ran on a platform to reform healthcare and that's what I, along with a clear majority of Americans, voted for. Our only problem with the current health care reform bill is that it doesn't go far enough to remove the "Private" health care insurer from the picture. Actually, we voted for "single payer" or a "public option," both of which are non-profit and would have surely helped to reduce the overall cost of healthcare.

Not to worry though, Medicare did not start out as the program it is today and I'm sure that as time goes on, we will correct the deficiencies in the current health care reform bill in order to obtain a more efficient and universal, (not for profit,) health care plan for all Americans.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:00 PM
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You deserve 100 stars. Tax, tax, tax, pretty soon we will be working for free.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:03 PM
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Hopefully, they will get rid of this illegal Health care bill. The only people who like it are the entitlement crowd, are you still waiting for free gas, too?



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:12 PM
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Damn those republicans! How DARE they wish for people to keep their own money! And they went against a poll. *shakes fist* a POLL!
Everyone knows that when a government spends too much, the only recourse is to tax people more.
*shakes fist again*
Curse you! Evil, evil republicans!
Curse you to heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell!



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:15 PM
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Interesting poll. Unfortunately it failed to disclose whether those in the poll actually pay taxes or not. 47% of the US population pay no income taxes.

Mod Note: Political Baiting and Sniping on ATS – Please Review Link.

edit on 4/25/2011 by tothetenthpower because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by Whereweheaded
Especially those from California. It would be in our interest to " pop " the fault line, and let California float off to become its own island ( hopefully sinking), thus eradicating a worthless group of people.


Empty anti-American Rhetoric noted.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
So stand up for what YOU believe in. Why force me? Do what YOU think is right, why force me? Make the sacrifices necessary for what YOU believe in, why force me? Lead by example. All I have ever seen from liberals and socialists is their overriding desire to spend other people's money. Put up or shut up! Spend your money first. Show us the way if it is so right.


That is quite the empty argument as it fails to address the story in the OP. I could care less what you think I should do just as I would assume you could care less what I should do. Unfortunately, the people of California have a democratic process in place and neither your opinon, nor mine nullifies that.

Many of you seem to forget that while you are dismissing "the will of the people" you are wholly advocating for "the will of a few."

EXPLAIN THAT TO ME. Especially you TEA Party republicans. Please justify that elitist, dictatorial ideal for me.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by jibeho
California? Our nations leading Nanny state. A state that is infected with ridiculous spending, high taxes and out of control "fees". A state that is bankrupt. A state that is losing companies and investments at a record setting pace. thebusinessrelocationcoach.blogspot.com...


California, an American State. So many patriots really seem to idealize a fractured country.
I really do not understand how the same people that call Michael Savage to salivate over how awesome the US is are usually the same people that are so quick to disparage portions of it as if they somehow are different, someone else, do not belong. California is part of the US. Talking it down like it is a bad state compared to other states really makes no case.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by thorazineshuffle
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You deserve 100 stars. Tax, tax, tax, pretty soon we will be working for free.


No tax, no tax, no tax. Pretty soon you better be able to hire your own private military, police, and fire/rescue and you better be paid up.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
Damn those republicans! How DARE they wish for people to keep their own money! And they went against a poll. *shakes fist* a POLL!
Everyone knows that when a government spends too much, the only recourse is to tax people more.
*shakes fist again*
Curse you! Evil, evil republicans!
Curse you to heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell!


Of course not. That is just stupid. Everyone knows that when you are broke, you lower taxes and take in less revenue. Bush proved that not only fixes deficits but it creates jobs.

Why is everything so either/or with all of you?



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:37 PM
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Well OP way to continue the left/right paradigm! Good job, noted on intentions there......how many threads have you made lately that were GOP bashing or continuing this condemned thought process of two party systems?

2nd.....A republican in California is like a Chinese Irishman........

edit on 25-4-2011 by ManBehindTheMask because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by bozzchem
Interesting poll. Unfortunately it failed to disclose whether those in the poll actually pay taxes or not. 47% of the US population pay no income taxes.

Mod Note: Political Baiting and Sniping on ATS – Please Review Link.

edit on 4/25/2011 by tothetenthpower because: (no reason given)


You are right. It was a poll of voters.
I am not sure where you got confused.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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I think polls should be outlawed unless they are a legitimate poll where everyone has a chance to respond.

Pollsters carefully phrasing questions, and then calling around at specific hours to catch the right audience and calling it random, and then only getting responses from those people that are just begging to waste 10 or 15 minutes because they have nothing better to do, and then calling it an objective opinion and extrapolating 1000 of these responses for a population of 300 million people?

I agreed with you on another thread, I don't think we need to cut taxes....yet, and I think Obama's plan for removing some of the tax loopholes is a good thing.

BUT, I am happy to see any politician ignoring these ridiculous polls! Polls ruined Charlie Crist in Florida. He taylored his platform to match the polls, and he got kicked out of his own party and stomped as an independent. Nobody wants a wishy-washy politician up there just flopping to which ever way the wind is blowing. We want true leadership. I would much rather vote for someone I disagreed with, but was steadfast in their opinion. I will never vote for someone that does everything possible to pander and agree with me.

For the record, I don't even have personal friends that agree with me. Most of the time we argue heatedly, but we have mutual respect. When someone comes sniffing around and agreeing with everything I say, they are usually gone in a week or two.

The only polls a politician should listen to are the ones sanctioned by the supervisor of elections and open to the general public!



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by bozzchem
Interesting poll. Unfortunately it failed to disclose whether those in the poll actually pay taxes or not. 47% of the US population pay no income taxes.

Mod Note: Political Baiting and Sniping on ATS – Please Review Link.

edit on 4/25/2011 by tothetenthpower because: (no reason given)


You are right. It was a poll of voters.
I am not sure where you got confused.


There was no confusion on my part. Voters who pay no taxes will most certainly vote to raise taxes. It's not rocket science. Which voters were polled?
edit on 25-4-2011 by bozzchem because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia
Everyone knows that when you are broke, you lower taxes and take in less revenue.


Revenue.

rev·e·nue/ˈrevəˌn(y)o͞o/Noun
1. Income, esp. when of a company or organization and of a substantial nature.
2. A state's annual income. More »
Wikipedia - Dictionary.com - Answers.com - Merriam-Webster

The "state" starts out broke, then they take our money (it's called taxes)and then they spend it. Usually they spend more than they take in.
That's bad.
That's called bad government.
If they just spent what they took in, it would be good.

But since they can't control themselves, they want to take more money from people.
That's bad.

Unless you like bigger government. Then it would be good.
But I think it is bad.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
Well OP way to continue the left/right paradigm! Good job, noted on intentions there......how many threads have you made lately that were GOP bashing or continuing this condemned thought process of two party systems?


I attempted to make the same point and was "modded". Apparently I "sniped" when all I did was state reality. Gotta love the mods.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 01:06 PM
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california has a spending problem and no amount of raising taxes will ever fix any problems there.

as someone pointed out this is california and when it comes to the term "republican" none are created equal

east coast and west coast have what people call r.i.n.o.s republican in name only

california is democrats run amuk for decades they had created the problems so they offer no solutions

raising tax will destroy whatever wealth is left there.

yeah this aint rocket science.

the haves are being given the shaft for the have nots and when there are no more haves the current state of california exists.

polls are joke why because its a californian poll and the other poster said yeah they will vote to raise taxes since its not their money being taken.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by jibeho
California? Our nations leading Nanny state. A state that is infected with ridiculous spending, high taxes and out of control "fees". A state that is bankrupt. A state that is losing companies and investments at a record setting pace. thebusinessrelocationcoach.blogspot.com...


California, an American State. So many patriots really seem to idealize a fractured country.
I really do not understand how the same people that call Michael Savage to salivate over how awesome the US is are usually the same people that are so quick to disparage portions of it as if they somehow are different, someone else, do not belong. California is part of the US. Talking it down like it is a bad state compared to other states really makes no case.


Are you talking to me with your nonsense? Eveything I said about Cali. is true. If not, please show me the stats. Please tell me that California did NOT issue IOU's to its creditors and benefit recipients in 2009 and at that time also had the honor of having the lowest credit rating of any state in the Union. Please defend California on its good job of racking up record deficits ever since then to the final tune of $25.4 billion for 2011.
For deficit reference:
2007 $14 billion, 2008 $18 billion, 2009 $24 billion, 2010 only $19billion.

I feel sorry for California because they have been lead astray by their elected officials on the State and National level. What's happening there is a SHAME and should serve as a warning for the rest of the country to wise up.

Why is California Broke?

The budgets of states like California and New York have been blown to hell since the financial crisis, and even in the lukewarm "recovery," they're miles from being balanced.

Why?

One big reason, Robert Frank points out in the WSJ, is that these states depend enormously on the welfare of their richest residents.

Almost half of California's income taxes come from the top 1% of earners. In New York, the percentage is now 41%, up from 25% in 1994. In Connecticut and New Jersey, the top 1% pay more than 40%.

Being so dependent on super-rich people is great when times are good, because revenues soar. But the trouble is that the earnings of super-rich people are super-volatile, so when times are bad, or even mediocre, tax revenues plummet.

If governments approached budgeting the way smart people would, they would run massive surpluses in boom times, thus storing acorns for the inevitable winter ahead. But if our government officials have demonstrated anything over the years, it's that they are utterly incapable of doing this. Instead, they look at the revenues in the boom times and think "WOW! We're rich! We can spend every penny of that and more!"

www.businessinsider.com...

Another interesting article if you are interested in facts and rationale.
online.wsj.com...

California has put all of their eggs in one basket and there are those in that want to make the same mistake with our entire nation. It can't work and it won't work. Simple.

Just as a reminder California is a BLUE state and it has been legislatively controlled by Democrats for as long as I can remember. 1970??



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 01:32 PM
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That poll is fiction to convince the sheep that everyone else is voting this way.

The only people who vote to raise taxes are those who don't have tp pay them .



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