Originally posted by ghost
You brought up a good point, most caves are not huge. A giant complex seems unlikly, but maybe we need to look for smaller facilites in the mountains. Also, can you find out from those maps about how much area the base itself covers(approxiamte Sq. miles)? You are starting to make me think that if there are undergroud facilities out there, they may have been design for maximum concealablity, not maximum size. My current thinking is that they might have used the mountains to try to hide some of the base's most secret labs. Thanks for helping me stay on the facts intead of chasing the wild roumors. Let's look into labs,maybe we'll get lucky!
Im on it. Re-Reading R. Saunders book on tunnling and underground bases, he mentioned a report by the Corp of Engineers that said to create a 600foot circumference cavity 3-4000 feet deep would generate 80 million cubic yards of muck. Thats alot of muck to try to get trid of.
I will check out the underground lab issue. the ground in the area is well suited for tunnling and underground facilities. THat is one of the reasons they put the Nevada test site out there. They do alot of tunnling there for the underground nuke test (or they did at least).
We really should try to find a overhead of the Groom Range. There MAY be something of interest there.
THe questions I want to know:
How is the base getting power? I have yet to identify a generating plant, nor huge power lines comming to the base.
posted on 5-8-2004 at 07:35 Post Number: 708374 (post id: 729068)
Tim, one other agency we have not looked at is the Army Corp of Engineers. If there are underground structures, I would suspect some involvement. Also, I am wonder about Bechtel and Flour Utah as well. They may also have a hand in the infrastructure aspect of the base.
posted on 6-8-2004 at 06:10 Post Number: 710260 (post id: 730954)
Big Safari?
Another Secret AF group I don't think we have look at is "Big Safari"
They are pretty big on UAV's and UCAVS so no doubt they may spend some time at area 51.. Also, what about the AF's special operations guys that fly the Nightstalker. I can't remeber thier designation. The nightstalked may have spent some time there. And the quiet flying choppers could explain all the black chopper talk comming out of the Antelope Valley??
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BIG SAFARI is the USAF's program office responsible for for sustainment and modification of specialized special mission aircraft. Big Safari is a specialized process of acquisition and contracting management process that supports 20-24 projects at any one time and includes responsibility for logistics sustainment for over 50 aircraft. This process was the basis for the Lightning Bolt Initiatives, and is used to accomplish special projects on a quick-reaction basis. Program management includes Detachment 4, 645th Materiel Squadron, U.S. Air Force Aeronautical Systems Center, Wright-Patterson AFB, Dayton, OH.
posted on 8-8-2004 at 07:39 Post Number: 713936 (post id: 734630)
Another Detachment and a little History
Detachment 5 was moved from Groom lake to Palmdale between March 25-27, 1991. ITs is the Det used for flight testing system improvements. The aircraft used were 784 and 831
posted on 9-8-2004 at 02:03 Post Number: 715505 (post id: 736199)
I found a map that has some of the "Areas" on it:
The biggest surprise was that none of the areas are really sequential and none are above 20. That leads to more proof that the Area 51 was a name created for the base, not related to fallout grids on a map. For example the land to the west of the base is Area 15. To the NNW of the base is Area 13 that has a circular area labled as Alpha Contaminate Area Not were I want to visit
posted on 9-8-2004 at 02:06 Post Number: 715513 (post id: 736207)
Baja Groom Lake?
In some of the reading I have been doing suggests that the southern half of the base is refered as "Baja Groom Lake" the base fire stations are located there. I a previous post I looked at two ponds that seemed to be near the gravel pit area on the base. I did speculate that perhaps they were leech ponds. However, based on some of the readings I have done, they are more likley water treatment ponds for base sewage.
[edit on 13-8-2004 by ADVISOR]



