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Area 51/Groom Lake Research Project

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posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 05:33 AM
Groom Lake Timeline
By Tom Mahood
Latest Revision: December, 1996
Significant and interesting events in the history of Groom Lake


Circa 1941-45:
Two dirt landing strips (one approx. 5,000' and one 7,000' long) are scraped into the bare desert floor, on the east side of Groom Lake. They are used as an outlying training strip for flyers based at Nellis. The strips are abandoned at the end of WWII and quickly deteriorate.

April, 1955:
Lockheed test pilot, Tony LeVier, under orders from Kelly Johnson, searches for remote site to test the U-2. He finds Groom Lake and returns with Kelly Johnson and a representative of the CIA. Johnson decides to place the runway at the south end of Groom Lake. Work begins on the facility there under the direction of Lockheed Skunk Works. (1)

July, 1955:
Work on "The Ranch" is complete at a cost of $800,000. It consists of three hangars, control tower, mess hall, runway, and numerous mobile homes. The first U-2 was shipped out on July 23. (1)

July 24, 1955:
The first U-2 prototype is shipped via C-124 transport plane from the Lockheed Skunk Works in Burbank to Groom Lake. (9)

August 4, 1955:
First flight of the U-2 at Groom Lake. (1)

August 19, 1955:
Executive Order 10633 is signed by President Eisenhower restricting the airspace over Groom Lake for the first time. The rectangular airspace is an extension of the Test Site airspace (known as "The Las Vegas Project") at its northeast corner and measures 5 by 9 nautical miles. (8)

November 17, 1955:
A C-54 transport, enroute to Groom from Burbank, crashes into Mt. Charleston killing all aboard, 9 civilian workers and 5 military. (5)

Fall, 1956:
Six pilots from SAC start training at Groom in the U-2. (1)

April 4, 1957:
A U-2 with radar spoofing equipment (#341, the first prototype) crashes during testing near Pioche, killing the pilot. (1), (9)

June 20, 1958:
Public Land Order 1662 is enacted by Roger Ernst, Assistant Secretary of the Interior, withdrawing 38,400 acres (60 square miles) for use " the Atomic Energy Commission in connection with the Nevada Test Site." The area, 6 miles North/South and 10 miles East/West, forms the first "box" around the Groom base, beneath the already restricted airspace.

September 21, 1959:
The USGS snaps a photo (13-146) of the Groom Lake base as part of a routine mapping program, which is still available.

November, 1959:
A full scale mockup of an A-12 is shipped to Groom, via truck, for radar signature testing. (4)

September, 1960:
Construction begins on a major expansion of the Groom Lake facility to accommodate the A-12 (OXCART) program on behalf of the CIA. This period of construction is not be complete until mid 1964. (4)

September 7, 1960:
Work begins on lengthening and strengthening the existing 5,000' runway to 8,500'. It is completed November 15. (4)

August 11, 1961:
The newly created R-4808 restricted airspace becomes effective, covering the Test Site and Groom Lake. Use is restricted from the surface to FL600. The restricted airspace over Groom Lake remains 5 by 9 nautical miles in size. (8) (26 FR 6233)

Late 1961:
Colonel Robert J. Holbury, USAF, is named Commander of the Groom base. (4)

Early 1962:
The fuel tank farm is completed with a capacity of 1,320,000 gallons. (4)

January 15, 1962:
The restricted airspace directly over Groom Lake (R-4808) is expanded to 22 by 20 nautical miles. The basis of the expansion was a request by the Department of the Air Force citing an immediate and urgent need due to a classified project. This creates the "Groom box" as it exists today. (8) (27 FR 205)

February 26, 1962:
The first A-12 Blackbird (#121) is brought to Groom via truck for testing. (4) (Ben Rich says January, 1962)

April 26, 1962:
First flight test of the A-12 Blackbird (#121) at Groom Lake. (4)

February, 1963:
The first 5 CIA A-12 pilots (Collins, Ray, Skliar, Sullivan and Walter) arrive at Groom Lake. (9)

May 24, 1963:
An A-12 (#123) crashes due to pitot icing 14 miles south of Wendover, Utah. The pilot, Collins, survives. (4)

July 20, 1963:
An A-12 finally achieves Mach 3 in testing. (9)

August 7, 1963:
First flight of the YF-12A (#1001) at Groom Lake. The YF-12A was a Mach 3 interceptor, based on the A-12 design. (9)

July 9, 1964:
An A-12 (#133) crashes on final approach to Groom. The pilot, Park, ejects at an altitude of 500' and survives. (4)

Beginning 1965:
The OXCART construction project is now complete and the base population has reached 1,835. (4)

December 28, 1965:
An A-12 (#126) crashes immediately after takeoff from Groom. The pilot, Vojvodich ejects and survives. (4)

March 5, 1966:
First free flight test of the D-21 drone near Point Mugu, launched from a Blackbird out of Groom Lake. (9)

July 30, 1966:
A D-21 drone is launched over Point Mugu, but strikes the A-12 (#135), destroying it. The two crew members eject, but one drowns before being pulled from the sea. All future launches of D-21 were to be done by B-52s. (9)

The Defense Intelligence Agency acquires a MIG 21 which it ships to Groom Lake for testing and names the program "Have Doughnut". This is the start of the ongoing MIG testing program that likely runs to this day. (9)

January 5, 1967:
An A-12 (#125) runs out of fuel 70 miles east of Groom and crashes. The pilot, Ray, ejects, but fails to seperate from the seat and is killed. (4)

January 10, 1967:
The decision is made to phase out the A-12s in favor of the SR-71. The phase out is to be completed by January, 1968. (9)

May 22, 1967:
The first of the A-12s leave Groom for Kadena Air Base on Okinawa for the beginning of "Black Shield", their first operational deployment. "Black Shield" involved reconnaissance flights over North Vietnam. (9)

June 21, 1968:
The last flight of an A-12, #131, was made from Groom to Palmdale and the entire fleet was put in secret storage. (9)

August 28, 1968:
The US Geological Survey snaps an aerial photo of the Groom Lake complex as part of a routine high altitude survey. This photo, since published in numerous places, was available to the public until early 1994, when it was withdrawn from release by the government.

November 16, 1977:
"Have Blue" (#1001), the F-117A Stealth fighter prototype, is shipped to Groom Lake for flight testing. (9)

December 1, 1977:
First flight of the Have Blue at Groom Lake. (2)

May 4, 1978:
The first Have Blue prototype crashes at Groom after its landing gear is damaged and was unable to land. (2)

July 20, 1978:
First flight of the second Have Blue prototype (#1002). (9)

July 11, 1979:
The second Have Blue prototype crashes 35 miles NW of Groom, due to an engine fire. (1)

May, 1981:
First production F-117A is airlifted to Groom for testing. (1)

June 18, 1981:
First flight of the production F-117A Stealth fighter (#780) at Groom. (1)

February, 1982:
First flight of "TACIT BLUE" (demonstrator for stealth technology) at Groom . (7)

April, 1982:
The existence of the A-12 aircraft was finally declassified. (10)

April 20, 1982:
The first production model of the F-117A crashes at Groom during Air Force acceptance tests. (1)

October 15, 1982:
Beginning of acceptance flight tests with second production model of F-117A. (1)

Late 1982:
First Stealth fighter squadron begins moving from Groom into new facilities at the Tonopah Test Range. (1), (9)

April 18, 1983:
Four Greenpeace protestors trespassed just south of Area 51 on a 5 day trek to sneak into the Nevada Test Site. (9)

June, 1983:
First flight of HALSOL at Groom Lake. HALSOL was a solar powered high altitude, UAV. The test program ran two months. (9)

March, 1984:
The Air Force posts armed guards along the access points to the 89,000 acres of public land to the east and north of Groom, expanding the borders. The guards request the public not to enter the area, thus effectively (and apparently illegally) closing the land to public use. (9)

April 26, 1984:
General Robert Bond is killed when the MIG 23 he was flying out of Groom crashes into Little Skull Mountain on the Nevada Test Site. (9)

August, 1984:
In Congressional hearings concerning the land seizure, the Air Force representative (John Rittenhouse) makes the statement that while the Air Force had no legal authority to seize the land (as far as he knew) the decision to do so was made at a much higher level than his. He would only go into the details in a closed session. (5)

Tacit Blue program ends. (7)

December, 1987:
Congress finally authorizes the Air Force's land seizure. (2)

July 17, 1988:
A Soviet spy satellite takes a photo of the Groom Lake area destined for release in a number of publications, including Popular Science and The Lazar Poster.

May, 1989:
Robert Lazar's first interviews are broadcast on KLAS-TV in Las Vegas. Lazar states he had been hired to reverse engineer extraterrestrial craft at a facility at Papoose Lake, just southwest of Groom Lake. Lazar's appearance focuses the first widespread public interest on the Groom Lake area.

October 18, 1993:
The Air Force files a notice in the Federal Register seeking to withdraw another 3972 acres from public use to curtail public viewing of the Groom base from Freedom Ridge and Whitesides Peak. (3)

April, 1994:
Popular Science magazine appears, featuring a satellite photo of the Groom Lake base on its cover and containing a lengthy article on the base and its history, thus igniting mainstream media interest in the facility.

April 10, 1995:
Freedom Ridge and Whitesides Peak are officially closed to all public access. (3)

January, 1996:
The Bechtel Corporation is reported to have begun work lengthening the secondary runway (14L-32R) by 5,000'. (3)



1. Skunk Works by Ben Rich, published by Little, Brown & Company, 1994.

2. Dreamland - the Air Force's Remote Test Site by Peter Merlin, an article in "Aerotech News and Review" 4/1/94.

3. Groom Lake Desert Rat by Glenn Campbell, various issues.

4. The OXCART Story by Thomas P. McIninch, a declassified history of the A-12 program from the CIA.

5. Los Angeles Times, November 19, 1955.

6. Alien Contact, by Timothy Good, published by Morrow, 1993.

7. Air Force press release 01-04-96

8. Federal Register

9. Dark Eagles by Curtis Peebles, published by Presido Press, 1995

10. Aurora: The Pentagon's Secret Hypersonic Spyplane, By Bill Sweetman, published by Motorbooks International, 1993.

posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 08:03 AM
Based on what I have found, I don't think Groom Lake belongs to the Air Force, or adleast not soley. Groom Dry Lake AFB seems highly unlikly! However, I'll look into this some more. You might be right.

ATS Director of Counter-Ignorance

Originally posted by FredT
I wonder if it simply known as Groom lake or Groom Dry Lake AFB? Here is exceprts from a Las Vegas Sun article dated Sept 2003. One intersting thing to note as I looked through the articles. The exemption is renewed every year, including the Clinton years.

CARSON CITY, Nev. (AP) - Invoking national security, President Bush has renewed an exemption allowing the Air Force to keep mum about its top-secret operations at Groom Lake, also known as Area 51, in southern Nevada.
Bush signed a memorandum on Tuesday declaring it of "paramount interest" to exempt the base from disclosing classified information.
President Clinton first issued the exemption in 1995 in response to two lawsuits filed by injured workers in Nevada seeking information about the military's environmental practices at the site. It has been renewed yearly.
In renewing the order, Bush also cited the Nevada suits brought by injured workers and Helen Frost and Stella Kasza, widows of two men who worked at the military base.
In their 1994 lawsuits, Frost and Kasza alleged that their husbands were exposed to hazardous and toxic materials while working at Groom Lake, which sits along a dry lake bed in Lincoln County, about 90 miles north of Las Vegas. The area is in a no-fly zone and closed to the public.
Attorney Jonathan Turley, who represents the families, said the presidential directive keeps secret documents and testimony that he believes would link Area 51 to the men's deaths.

And Another from April 2000
The site,, was running Thursday, although some delays were possible.
"I won't tell you it's completely solved," said John Hoffman, president of Raleigh-based Aerial Images Inc., which owns and operates the site. "We've taken steps to mitigate its effect. It's almost a fact of being online these days."
The attack began within six hours of when images of the 8,000-square-mile Area 51, home to Groom Dry Lake Air Force Base, became available at 8 p.m. Monday, Hoffman said.
The site also is averaging 7 million to 8 million page views per day; typically, it averages 700,000 to 800,000. Aerial Images had expected from 3 million to 5 million daily views after the Area 51 images were posted.

And another also dated April 2000

The Air Force refused to acknowledge the secret Area 51 existed until Washington, D.C. attorney Jonathan Turley sued the government in the 1990s on behalf of Robert Frost, whose widow said he was exposed to toxic fumes from open burning along with five other unidentified workers. The workers are appealing their court losses, but the federal government offered a slight admission.

The Air Force sends a short message to anyone asking about Area 51's existence: "Training and testing activities take place at the Groom Dry Lake Bed."

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posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 08:12 AM

Originally posted by ghost
Based on what I have found, I don't think Groom Lake belongs to the Air Force, or adleast not soley. Groom Dry Lake AFB seems highly unlikly! However, I'll look into this some more. You might be right.


Tommorow, I will type up a FOIA request to the airforce and see what we get. You never know. Take a look the the EG&G web site (link in a post above). Man it has CIA front written all over it

posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 09:33 AM
This is an updated time line of all major programs at Groom Lake. This is not ment to Critizie Fred's brilliant work! I'm mearly updating it based on some personal sources. For the sake of time and space I didn't include everything Fred listed, only the Key programs and the additions/changes I have made.Please read the notes in parenthsis for an explination of the changes, and for the sources!

Groom Lake progrm timeline

U-2 1955-60

A-12 1962-68 (Source: Dreamland Part 1 (video history of Area 51) part of the four part series called UFO: the truth is out there()

D-21 1964-66 (Dates provided by FredT; Thanks Fred!)

Have Blue 1977-79

F-117 1981-91 (Source: F-117 Nighthawk Stealth Fighter(Note: the operational squadron left for TTR in 1982 Just as Fred said, but a small fleet of 3 or 4 test planes (YF-117's) remained at Groom Lake untill just after the Gulf War in 1991 when they moved to Palmdale, CA))

Tacit Blue 1928-85

B-2 1983- present (Source: (Note: as with the F-117(untill '91) it is ONLY the Test Aircraft that are at Groom Lake, NOT the Main combat fleet, which is located at Whiteman AFB in Missouri.))

ATS Director of Counter-Ignorance

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posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 09:56 AM

Originally posted by FredT

Originally posted by ghost
Based on what I have found, I don't think Groom Lake belongs to the Air Force, or adleast not soley. Groom Dry Lake AFB seems highly unlikly! However, I'll look into this some more. You might be right.


Tommorow, I will type up a FOIA request to the airforce and see what we get. You never know. Take a look the the EG&G web site (link in a post above). Man it has CIA front written all over it

I think you're right Everything about EG&G smells of CIA. We already know the Base was the brain child of the CIA, it's former director Allen Dullas was the one who conceved the base as a testing ground for CIA spy planes. On a hunch, I'm going to pay the "Spooks" of Langly a visit and see what's cooking.

ATS Director of Counter-Ignornce

posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 10:17 AM
Well from what we know, the base was built to test the U2. Due to the location of Area 51, it became a perfect location for the miltary to test its new toys. The base was designed and is still used as a location to test new black projects.

Also the base is used to test Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV). Here is a list of known UAV in testing and full service;

* Global Hawk UAV
* Predator UAV
* Darkstar UAV
* Cypher UAV
* X-45A UCAV
* Miniature Air Launched Decoy (MALD)

Information on each UAV

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posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 10:38 AM
The CIA's mission:
"Our Mission

We support the President, the National Security Council, and all who make and execute U.S. national security policy by:

* Providing accurate, comprehensive, and timely foreign intelligence related to national security.
* Conducting counterintelligence activities, special activities, and other functions related to foreign intelligence and national security as directed by the President.

How we do our work:

* Personal and organizational integrity.
* Teamwork throughout the Agency and the Intelligence Community.
* Total participation of an excellent and diverse workforce.
* Innovation and risk-taking to get the job done.
* Adaptation to both a changing world environment and evolving customer needs.
* Accountability for our actions.
* Continuous improvement in all that we do."

The Above section is taken directly as a Quote from the CIA website's CIA Factbook on Intelligence

In summery, the CIA coordinate all intelligence activities for the US. How does this tie to Groom Lake? Simple! First, the CIA is involved with the testing of all MIG's and foriegn technology, even if the scientist are not all directly on the CIA's pay roll. Second, the CIA is involved in planning and analysis of all Reconnissance Mission, and get's a say in the use of ANY and All spy plane flights, even if the pilot comes from one of the armed serveces. So, if there are spy planes based at Groom Lake, the CIA is involved with their use in some way. All of this means the CIA is still heavly involved with Area 51, and has people out there, reguardless of who's name shows up on the "Official Deed" for the base! We know they are out there, let's see what they are up to.

ATS Director of Counter-Ignorance

posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 11:11 AM
We know that the base was built to test the U2, but why still use the base now?

The Groom Lake facility is located on a dry lake, in the middle of a derset. Due to the perfect location of the base, aircraft and other projects can be tested without the public ever knowing about them. All new aircraft are sent to Groom Lake to be fully tested before going into service, this is probably why Groom Lake is still a busy place.

So what is going on at Groom Lake?

Groom Lake is the breeding ground for top secret black projects. The base is mainly used for the testing of new aircraft and other technology, such as radar systems, stealth,etc.

Whats this i read about Aliens and UFOs?

Sorry to spoil your fun, but sadly, i doubt that little green men are at Area 51. Thousands of people have claimed to of seen strange lights in the sky, but what they are seeing are top secret aircraft and UAVs being tested at the facility. Don't believe everything Robert Lazar says about the base either, he failed two lie dectoter tests and pasted two so the tests proved nothing.

I heard the base closed?

False. The base is still in full operation. A new runway has been added, aswell as new buildings aswell. Plus on the north side of the base, a new radar system has been built aswell.

Whats happening at the base now?

Currently, a new radar system is been tested at the site, pictures sure the new facility on the base. Other aircraft are being tested aswell, reports suggest that the miltary has developed a space plane. Always, other stealth projects are being carried out such as a new stealth fighter. And of course, UAVs, suits and other projects are being carried out aswell.

Security has been increased at the base. After the recent "UFO hunters", the miltary has decided to increase the security around the facility. From recent pictures, it looks like some staff stay at the base when working on "big projects", sleeping quarters have been seen on recent images.

posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 12:55 PM
While search for some more general info on the base, I found something intresting: the base is divided into two main parts! Below are pictures of each part of the Base.

Above is the northern part of the base. Below is the southern part (2 pictures).

The fact that the Base is clearly divided into two seprate parts tells us some important about Groom Lake, there are clearly two seprate, highly classified things going on at the base if they felt the need to seperate the base into two parts that are adleast a mile apart(estimated base on scale). My guess is that one part is for research and one is for intelligence activities.

ATS Director of Counter-Ignorance

posted on Jul, 15 2004 @ 01:14 PM

Originally posted by infinite
* Global Hawk UAV
* Predator UAV
* Darkstar UAV
* Cypher UAV
* X-45A UCAV
* Miniature Air Launched Decoy (MALD)
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A few to add.... Im not sure about the army ones but other I have heard rumors. All of the ones listed were taken from AWST 2004 Aerospace Source Book

Shadow 200,400,600 (Army)
LoFLyte (Neural Network Testbed)
Black Widow (DARPA micro-AV demonstrator)
Helios (Solar Powered Wing) 95,000 feet+
HV-911 Eagle Eye (Tiltrotor)
Predator, B, and B Jet

The LoFlyte I think has particular merit. Its made by Accurate Automation Corp, In TN. I have sent several requests for information that have been ignored. Wonder what they mean by "Neural Net" Thought controlled UCAVS???

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posted on Jul, 16 2004 @ 12:23 AM
More on our EG&G buddies. It appears that one of the prime contractors (possible a CIA front) is owned or fronted by the Carlyle Group. They have numerous ties to CIA, Bin laden Family and the Bushes. Intersting....

Donald Kerr was appointed CIA Deputy Director for Science and Technology on 27 August 2001. He served as a VP at EG&G from 85 to 89, and President from 89-92

EG&G Cammo dudes (AKA site security for area 51) go on strike in 2001

The Janet Flights fly from an EG&G terminal at McCarren International.

Lets not forcet Hughes. The late Howard Hughes build alot of toys for the CIA and was primarily resoponsible for Project Jennifer and lord know what else.

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posted on Jul, 16 2004 @ 12:32 AM

EG&G provides classified research, development, and services for the military and government. EG&G company supplies technical and scientific support for nuclear testing, and energy research and development programs. In addition, EG&G provided large diameter drilling, mining, and excavation for underground, and mountainside facilities. EG&G built these hidden bunkers, mountain hangers, and vast underground facilities at Groom, Papoose, and Mercury for the government.

These facilities and observations posts are well camouflaged, inside the Nevada Test Site, and the Nellis Range.

Starting in 1971 and continuing through 1975, a massive amount of excavation took place at the Groom and Papoose facilities. Most of the subsequent construction has also taken place underground.

In 1972, EG&G was granted an indefinite contract, called "Project Redlight" to support the DOE and the military. This contract gave them responsibility to assist in the recovery of nuclear materials, in cases of mishaps and to provide aerial and ground security, for highly classified government and military sites. My sources say that the DOE and NSA are primarily responsible to the MJ-12 committee, for reacting to sightings of UFOs and recovering artifacts in case of a crash.]

posted on Jul, 16 2004 @ 12:39 AM
This guy presents a good case about some of the Area 51 functions have been moved.

posted on Jul, 16 2004 @ 04:01 AM
In 2000 the Carlyle group was rated 12th among goventment contractors with 1.6 billion dollars worth of AF contracts.

Wackenthut (Security) rated 144 with contracts worth 137 million.

Of the Carlyle Groups money the AF accounted for 158 million of the 1.6 billion. anjd there were also 416 million worth of government contracts for R&D

Ive been trying to find some indication as to how operations at the base are funded. They have to show up in someones budget.... Any Ideas?

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posted on Jul, 16 2004 @ 06:36 AM

Originally posted by FredT
Ive been trying to find some indication as to how operations at the base are funded. They have to show up in someones budget.... Any Ideas?

The Black Budget.

According to the U.S. Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments (CSBA) classified or black programs account for about $23.2 billion or 17 percent of the 2004 budget request for the Department of Defense.

But anyways, we are getting distracted by other topics. Also, here is some information taken from ATS about current projects that might be going on at the base.

There is much circumstantial evidence to link Groom Lake with (at the very least) experimental high-Mach vehicles. It has even been claimed that a new mother/daughter combination like the A-12/D-21 has been flown, known as the Super Valkyrie. Evidence from base-watchers and elsewhere also suggests other top-secret, Special Accesss Programs that have been conducted at Groom Lake in recent years:

* High Altitude Stealth Reconnaissance: Large subsonic long-endurance vehicle jointly developed by Lockheed and Boeing to replace the SR-71's ability to overfly denied territory at will. Based on the Skunk Works failed bid for the Advanced Tactical Bomber (ATB) - the B-2, it was cancelled in 1992 after at least $300 million had been spent, and replaced by the Tier 3 Minus UAV (Lockheed's Darkstar).

* Covert Assault Transport: Probably a delta configuration with advanced V/STOL capabilities but with very low noise as well as radar signature. Probably cancelled in 1993 in favor of further Bell/Boeing V-22 Osprey development.

* Stealth Helicopter: Different designs with emphasis on low blade and transmission noise, also exploring new technology to reduce blade and efflux signature. (Sikorsky's new attack helicopter, the successor to the Apache - the Comanche, incorporates stealth technology, but this is being tested elsewhere.)

* Cloaking Technology: Cloaking technology in the form of electrochromatic panels mounted to aircraft has been revealed as being tested at the Area 51 installation.

Recently, a new theory which is of a very good basis has risen which gives an idea as to the glowing objects seen above the Groom Lake installation. Researcher Tom Mahood has mentioned his theory that the objects moving at incredible speeds with sudden directional changes, emitting an unusual glow, could in fact be the result of experimental proton beam systems.

posted on Jul, 16 2004 @ 08:03 AM

Originally posted by FredT
This guy presents a good case about some of the Area 51 functions have been moved.

Good Find! However, I'm getting another thought about the base, that is leading me to a slightly diffrent conclusion about the base in Utah. What if the tase is an Annex type of facility for Area 51. If this is the case, Area 6413 might be the equivilent of FANX, which is an NSA Facility near BWI airport that compliments NSA's main base Near Fort Mead, MD. If that is the case that would prove operations have expanded dramaticly. Maybe we can look into this some more.

Below is a qoute from the Article:
Ashy said: "We will have a very short runway out there and we will have a reusable space plane."

This suggests that the base is limited to aircraft with a short take off and landing run, and doesn't have much extra room to handle possible emergencies like a break failure on landing or an aborted take off. This leads me to doubt that they would do flight testing out there for safty reasons. However, this clearly leaves open the possibility that the base house underground labs and other ground based research facilities that could compliment the main facilities at Groom Lake. Let's see if they are run by the same person or people.

ATS Director of Counter-Ignorance

posted on Jul, 16 2004 @ 08:15 AM

Originally posted by ghost
However, this clearly leaves open the possibility that the base house underground labs and other ground based research facilities that could compliment the main facilities at Groom Lake. Let's see if they are run by the same person or people.

Could be like a Sandia LL type setup competing test areas. I am trying to get a hold of aviation charts for the two areas as well. if Utah has some no fly areas that are "new" that could be another conformation.

The Southern area of the base, based on looking at previous posts seems to be part of the general build up into making groom a much more robust base. Tank Farms, Machine shops, etc. Of particular interest seems to be the Hanger 18 which some analysts seem to think could completely enclose any plane in the A/F inventory. 747's C-5's etc. Thats a pretty big hanger that has been put in since 1998???

Here is a site with alot of pics and a breakdown of the images

Also of not in the pictures were the large mounds identified as gravel. These also could be tailings or "muck" that is generated by tunneling. They already seem to be storing some items into the hill side.

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posted on Jul, 16 2004 @ 08:52 AM
Red Hat Squadron

>Hanger 5, (the Northeastern most of the four large Hangers) probably contains the >YF-110 and YF-113 aircraft used in the foreign material exploitation program code named >"Red Hat."

Good Job Fred! I took the above Quote from one of the pages you found. It proves the Intelligence link. The fallowing is the definition of intelligence according to


1. Secret information, especially about an actual or potential enemy.

By proving that the Red Hat squadron exists and that it is at Groom Lake, we can prove the intelligence link even if the CIA is not involved! Maybe we need to look at this more globally to find what we're after. Good find.

ATS Director of Counter-Ignorance

posted on Jul, 16 2004 @ 11:36 AM
Part 1: Aurora Link Theory

I was digging through some old ATS files and I found that the Aurora, a manned CIA spy plane is supposed to be at Groom Lake. There was a lot of evidence to support this collected during the Aurora Project.

The Proof that the Aurora belongs to the CIA includes:

-The code name itself: Aurora (past CIA code Names: U-2 =Angle, A-12 Blackbird = Oxcart; D-21= Tagboard; KH-4 Corona Spy satellite= Discoverer || past Air Force code Names: SR-17 Blackbird= Senior Crown; XST = Have Blue; F-117 Nighthawk= Senior Trend; B-2 Spirit = Senior Ice; tested Mig's= Have Drill, Have Doughnut) All Air Force code names are Two words long! So, any 1 word code name is CIA

-Historic trends: Even Spy Planes usually don't remain in the Black very long in USAF hands( the SR-71 came out of the "Black" before the CIA's A-12 did) Aurora's been a secret since the 1980's; Spy Planes usually start their life at the CIA and then move to the Air Force later.

I reason that if the Aurora belongs to the CIA and is based at Groom Lake, as many sighting in the area have also suggested, then the base has to be equipped with intelligence support facilities to help with the plane's missions. Logic says that if the CIA owns the planes it runs the support facilities.

Part 2: Intelligence Processing Theory

Recognise this?:

We are the eyes and ears of the nation and at times its hidden hand. We accomplish this mission by:

* Collecting intelligence that matters.

* Providing relevant, timely, and objective all-source analysis.

* Conducting covert action at the direction of the President to preempt threats or achieve United States policy objectives.

You should it's from the CIA's website

The CIA cordinates all intelligence activities for the US government. This means that they are in on things like: the testing of foreign technology, reconn flights (manned or UAV), evaluation of foriegn aircraft, development of intelligences gathering systems, ECT. In short even if the CIA doesn't run the show, they are still there.


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