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Where's the Birth Certificate?-Jerome Corsi

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posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by UcDat
and yet the best you can do is cherry pick your talking points and avoid the facts
check this out then get back to us on that certificate of live birth your holy grail is full of holes non?
obamadocuments.wordpress.com...
heres another vid for those who dont want to waste their time reading about the facts..


What did I cherry pick?
What facts have I avoided?
Please list these things for me. Your blogs and youtube videos have no facts that need refutation. You post a lie. It is debunked. You move on to the next lie. Your last 3 posts could not be more transparent. Please explain.




posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by UcDat
and yet the best you can do is cherry pick your talking points and avoid the facts
check this out then get back to us on that certificate of live birth your holy grail is full of holes non?
obamadocuments.wordpress.com...
heres another vid for those who dont want to waste their time reading about the facts..


What did I cherry pick?
What facts have I avoided?
Please list these things for me. Your blogs and youtube videos have no facts that need refutation. You post a lie. It is debunked. You move on to the next lie. Your last 3 posts could not be more transparent. Please explain.


lol its not a lie just cause you say so dude
like i said you avoid the facts cherry pick whatever you can to take away from them
now why dont you watch the vid again and take some notes then lets see you back up your lies with some facts



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 01:34 PM
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What facts have I avoided?
What have I cherry picked?
What facts are your videos supposed to be offering up?

I watched your videos. Stop shifting your goal posts and address these things. You have yet to offer any facts. Let me know when you get some so we can discuss them.



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia
reply to post by UcDat
 


What facts have I avoided?
What have I cherry picked?
What facts are your videos supposed to be offering up?

I watched your videos. Stop shifting your goal posts and address these things. You have yet to offer any facts. Let me know when you get some so we can discuss them.


sure chew on this fact
"The State of Hawaii considers “Certification” of Live Birth as a secondary source of identification for the purpose of establishing Hawaiian ancestry, but not live birth; however a Certificate of Live Birth is considered a primary source. To respond to challenges as to his eligibility for President of the United States, Obama posted a Certification, claiming this was his Birth Certificate. But such Certification is only issued when a birth certificate cannot be located in the records.

THE CERTIFICATION WAS ISSUED, BECAUSE THE RECORDS OF LIVE BIRTH IN THE STATE OF HAWAII COULD NOT BE LOCATED. Because they don’t exist"

from obamadocuments.wordpress.com...
and here is your holy grail tho it seems to be made out of lead and full of holes
moniquemonicat.files.wordpress.com...

now give me some facts to dispute this or give up already....



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 01:50 PM
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btw Sinnthia did you read my thread about obama's amazing blood line if not give it a go www.abovetopsecret.com...
you'll find my position a lot easier to dispute there since its my own and I cant turn to the internet to make my point like I can here.



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Yes I just noticed the headline on Drudge, a quote from the headline

"It's utterly devastating," reveals a source close to the publisher. "Obama may learn things he didn't even know about himself!"



That is hilarious!!

I am sure if Jerome Corsi wrote a book about me I would learn things about myself I never knew!

Like how I was actually born on the Planet Zeta to evil aliens planning to invade the earth!

And Corsi would offer PROOF!



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Yes I just noticed the headline on Drudge, a quote from the headline

"It's utterly devastating," reveals a source close to the publisher. "Obama may learn things he didn't even know about himself!"



That is hilarious!!

I am sure if Jerome Corsi wrote a book about me I would learn things about myself I never knew!

Like how I was actually born on the Planet Zeta to evil aliens planning to invade the earth!

And Corsi would offer PROOF!


ya Corsi is brilliant and devastating look at who he's taken out already still people doubt this is a game changer. Cant wait to see it hit tho it looks like we are getting a steady inflow of new info



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by UcDat

sure chew on this fact
"The State of Hawaii considers “Certification” of Live Birth as a secondary source of identification for the purpose of establishing Hawaiian ancestry, but not live birth; however a Certificate of Live Birth is considered a primary source. To respond to challenges as to his eligibility for President of the United States, Obama posted a Certification, claiming this was his Birth Certificate. But such Certification is only issued when a birth certificate cannot be located in the records.

THE CERTIFICATION WAS ISSUED, BECAUSE THE RECORDS OF LIVE BIRTH IN THE STATE OF HAWAII COULD NOT BE LOCATED. Because they don’t exist"

from obamadocuments.wordpress.com...
and here is your holy grail tho it seems to be made out of lead and full of holes
moniquemonicat.files.wordpress.com...

now give me some facts to dispute this or give up already....


Who would want to chew on Horse Manuer? Your links are crap and your logic insane.

Hawaii once issued a "Certificate of Birth" in recent years it has been called "Certification of Live Birth"...Same thing.

Pres. Obama's was generated in 2007 and it has been confirmed that a long form exists by the Hawaii Department of Health and Human Services...repeatedly.

Your claim that a COLB is only issued if an original cannot be found is BS and unsupported by reality.

And yes copies of Long Forms are probably available in Hawaii if you specifically request one for genealogical purposes.

The long form is no more credible as a form of ID than a short form.

The reason that hawaii once asked for long form copies to establish ancestry is because it was relevant to ANCESTRY/GENEALOGY as opposed to establishing time and place of birth. In the context of ID, place of birth, etc. the COLB is fully credible. If you want to claim Hawaiin Native American status then they need to know full details of your parents..address, age so that they may trace your parents lineage etc.

Get it? the long form is only supperior to a short form in Hawaii if you are claiming Native American/Hawaiin status. Not for natural born status or ID. For any purpose beyond genealogy, the COLB is as credible as it gets.



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by UcDat
ya Corsi is brilliant and devastating look at who he's taken out already still people doubt this is a game changer. Cant wait to see it hit tho it looks like we are getting a steady inflow of new info


Who has this moron "taken out"

I mean besides a bunch of innocent folks in Minnesota



In 1995 Corsi helped launch a mutual fund to invest in formerly Communist Poland after the fall of the Soviet Union, which eventually lost $1.2 million, much of it from a group of about 20 Minnesota investors.[11][12] The FBI found no basis for bringing criminal charges.[11]

Some of the investors blamed the organizers, including Corsi, for their investment in the former Communist country. Two investors sued Corsi and his partners on the basis that the organizers had given their personal guarantee backing up the investment, and won judgments against them.[11]

They did not collect from Corsi because, as one investor claimed, the money "had been moved into his wife's name ... There was nothing to get out of him."[11] Until his 2004 book, Corsi was a financial services marketing specialist.[13]

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by UcDat
sure chew on this fact
"The State of Hawaii considers “Certification” of Live Birth as a secondary source of identification for the purpose of establishing Hawaiian ancestry, but not live birth; however a Certificate of Live Birth is considered a primary source.


Your "fact" begins and ends right there. Obama never claimed to be of native Hawaiian ancestry and does not need to be in order to be eligible to be president. Talk about cherry picking.



To respond to challenges as to his eligibility for President of the United States, Obama posted a Certification, claiming this was his Birth Certificate. But such Certification is only issued when a birth certificate cannot be located in the records.

This part is just made up, hence your lack of department of health sources for backup.


THE CERTIFICATION WAS ISSUED, BECAUSE THE RECORDS OF LIVE BIRTH IN THE STATE OF HAWAII COULD NOT BE LOCATED. Because they don’t exist"

from obamadocuments.wordpress.com...
and here is your holy grail tho it seems to be made out of lead and full of holes
moniquemonicat.files.wordpress.com...

now give me some facts to dispute this or give up already....


Opinions and lies posted on blogs are not "facts." I am sorry. Do we need to establish the definition of "fact?"



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by XRaDiiX
reply to post by UcDat
 



Of course people are going to question his birth place when he spends 2 million dollars to conceal his records; Along with the Long Form Birth Certificate


edit on 20-4-2011 by XRaDiiX because: (no reason given)


well put.. I'm so tired of people making it an issue of race, talking heads saying this wouldn't be an issue if Obama was white, etc. The fact of the matter is that he's done things to make us suspicious. His international past is cause enough for question. Look.. if AP would have published a headline about a white senator calling him "Kenyan-Born.." or "any other country-born", we would be asking questions about him too. If anybody, black or white, had lived in Indonesia or any other country during his childhood, we'd be asking questions. And if any president, white or black, had received grants for college under a DIFFERENT name (Saetoro) and those grants were specifically for FOREIGN students, we'd be asking questions.

It has nothing to do with race. We'd do the same thing to any white person with a similarly sketchy past
edit on 21-4-2011 by bacci0909 because: used wrong word that could confuse readers



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by bacci0909

Originally posted by XRaDiiX
reply to post by UcDat
 



Of course people are going to question his birth place when he spends 2 million dollars to conceal his records; Along with the Long Form Birth Certificate


edit on 20-4-2011 by XRaDiiX because: (no reason given)


well put..


Not a nickel...he didn't spend 2 million dollars to "conceal his records"...he didn't spend a penny.

He did spend 1.7 million to pay his campaign attorneys over a 2 year period during the election, none of it went toward concealing his birth records...though WND failed to mention the distinction when they created this BS that the the fringe right loves to ape.


Originally posted by bacci0909
Look.. if AP would have published a headline about a white senator calling him "Kenyan-Born.." or "any other country-born", we would be asking questions about him too.


The AP didn't publish that story...a less than intelligent local writer took an AP story and modified it to read "Kenyan-Born"...the original AP story said nothing of the sort.



Originally posted by bacci0909
It has nothing to do with race. We'd do the same thing to any white person with a similarly sketchy past
edit on 21-4-2011 by bacci0909 because: used wrong word that could confuse readers


You mean manufacture evidence to make it seem like he is "foriegn" ...play upon the xenophobic?

Sure...you would be all over it if John McCain had won...
edit on 21-4-2011 by maybereal11 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by maybereal11



Originally posted by bacci0909
Look.. if AP would have published a headline about a white senator calling him "Kenyan-Born.." or "any other country-born", we would be asking questions about him too.


The AP didn't publish that story...a less than intelligent local writer took an AP story and modified it to read "Kenyan-Born"...the original AP story said nothing of the sort.



Originally posted by bacci0909
It has nothing to do with race. We'd do the same thing to any white person with a similarly sketchy past
edit on 21-4-2011 by bacci0909 because: used wrong word that could confuse readers


You mean manufacture evidence to make it seem like he is "foriegn" ...play upon the xenophobic?

Sure...you would be all over it if John McCain had won...
edit on 21-4-2011 by maybereal11 because: (no reason given)


First off, could you source your claims? Not because of any cardinal rule, but because I'm interested and am overwhelmingly indifferent about this issue, so I'd gladly be converted to your side of the issue. How do you know that AP didn't publish that article?

Also, though I consider myself an independent and did consider the 2008 election a 'lesser-of-two-evils' sort of situation, at the time I definitely supported Obama over McCain, so don't assume I'm some sort of republican because I find this issue intriguing. And yes, if McCain had given me reason to question his place of birth, I would absolutely do so. Given the nature of this website, I'm sure most of us would.

I suppose next you'll deny that one of Obama's first executive orders in office was to seal all his records?



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 06:54 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 




edit on Thu Apr 21 2011 by DontTreadOnMe because: --Off Topic, One Liners and General Back Scratching Posts--



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 07:31 PM
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thanks for the heads up on the Pat Buchanan video.. what a dead give away...

Of Course his Mother/Grandmother would put an ad in the only State in the USA that allowed newspaper ads to confirm a Hawaiian Birth granting US Citizenship and thereby provide their child a means to go to America and have a better way of life...

People have made tougher sacrifices to do just that.

To deny this is foolish.



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by bacci0909
First off, could you source your claims? ... How do you know that AP didn't publish that article?
Sinnthia addressed the AP story here on page 5. It links to this snopes article that explains that AP story claim.


I suppose next you'll deny that one of Obama's first executive orders in office was to seal all his records?
The executive order didn’t do that. Even if it had, it is regarding Presidential records, the documents and communication he receives and sends as President. It has nothing to do with school records, or any other records, before Obama was elected.

But Obama’s executive order that birthers claim sealed Obama’s records was, in fact, applauded by advocates of openness in government as a step in the right direction and an improvement over the Presidential records policy set before him by President Bush.

On First Day, Obama Quickly Sets a New Tone

The new president effectively reversed a post-9/11 Bush administration policy making it easier for government agencies to deny requests for records under the Freedom of Information Act, and effectively repealed a Bush executive order that allowed former presidents or their heirs to claim executive privilege in an effort to keep records secret. ...

Advocates for openness in government, who had been pressing for the moves, said they were pleased. They said the new president had traded a presumption of secrecy for a presumption of disclosure.

“You couldn’t ask for anything better,” said Melanie Sloan, the executive director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, an advocacy group that tangled frequently with the Bush administration over records. ...

It may not be the type of thing that Mr. Bush wants to hear, however. Experts said Mr. Obama’s moves would have the practical effect of allowing reporters and historians to obtain access to records from the Bush administration that might otherwise have been kept under wraps.


Not because of any cardinal rule, but because I'm interested and am overwhelmingly indifferent about this issue, so I'd gladly be converted to your side of the issue.
Is the conversion working yet?



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by reeferman
Of Course his Mother/Grandmother would put an ad in the only State in the USA that allowed newspaper ads to confirm a Hawaiian Birth granting US Citizenship and thereby provide their child a means to go to America and have a better way of life ... To deny this is foolish.
What’s foolish to deny is the fact that those birth announcements came directly from the Department of Health, and were not reported by the public.

Hawaii officials confirm Obama’s original birth certificate still exists

In November 2008, The Advertiser reported that the first published mention of the future president appeared in a Sunday Advertiser birth announcement that ran on Aug. 13, 1961: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4." The identical announcement ran the following day in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin.

Birthers wave off those birth announcements, saying that Obama family members 48 years ago could have phoned in false information to both newspapers.

Such vital statistics, however, were not sent to the newspapers by the general public but by the Health Department, which received the information directly from hospitals, [Health Department spokeswoman] Okubo said.

The birth announcements were sent to the Honolulu papers directly by the Department of Health, then called the Health Bureau.

At the top of the birth announcement notice in the Sunday Advertiser, where Obama’s birth is announced, you can see it says “Health Bureau Statistics.”



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 08:16 PM
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hmm.. I'll have to look into those more, thanks for the links/info. Like I said before I'm pretty indifferent on this issue, and wouldn't be surprised in the least if either turned out to be the truth. I do find it fascinating, if anything will play out from here, but in the end I think it's somewhat of a distraction and a pointless fight.

I still would like to see the video of the Keyes/Obama 2004 Senatorial Debate where Keyes accused Obama of not being a natural born citizen, to which Obama quickly replied "So what? I'm running for US Senate, not the presidency". I will always have a hard time getting past that, as I don't see any excuse for O responding in that way. It aired live in Chicago, and then again in 2005 on CSPAN. But.. you probably think that didn't happen either. Either way, thanks again for the info. Conversion could be in progress



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by bacci0909
I still would like to see the video of the Keyes/Obama 2004 Senatorial Debate where Keyes accused Obama of not being a natural born citizen
So do I. Hopefully you can source it. “Not because of any cardinal rule, but because I'm interested”



to which Obama quickly replied "So what? I'm running for US Senate, not the presidency". I will always have a hard time getting past that, as I don't see any excuse for O responding in that way.
Could it be because the claim, even if true, was irrelevant? Last time I checked there was no natural born citizenship requirement for the Senate.


But.. you probably think that didn't happen either.
Why would I think that?



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by aptness

The birth announcements were sent to the Honolulu papers directly by the Department of Health, then called the Health Bureau.

At the top of the birth announcement notice in the Sunday Advertiser, where Obama’s birth is announced, you can see it says “Health Bureau Statistics.”


see to me this is just proof the governments lying why on earth would the hospital send his bc to the papers? Is it standard policy there cause here no way would they presume to do that...




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