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Originally posted by TheLastStand
reply to post by tallcool1
Some of us remember when working in a burger joint used to be enough to get a house and have a family; but these jobs are for kids that don't pay rent that is how they are priced versus CPI. This is absolutely, positively slave labour, and when viewing how economic conditions induces people to become slaves it is clear that if you can't even make it past the clothing yourself step in life without hitting up a food bank, collecting welfare or ei, and without hitting a thrift store --> then that job is enslaving, plain and simple, any way you slice it. SLAVERY. Start thinking of these employers as what they really are, "slave drivers". I don't care how free of a market it is, they are paying people to work as slaves and dragging the quality of life below that which was when we were living out of caves (at least people had a chance to be free back then). Mcdonalds is scum, they need to cease to exist, this society is sick and disgusting and so is their food.
Originally posted by yeahright
People choose to work there because the other options are for them, worse. Others would rather commit self-mutilation than work there, if what is posted here is to be believed. I'm wagering the ones who feel the strongest about it probably have either no responsibility at all, or none to anyone but themselves. Or they're entitled in some form or fashion to live off the rest of us.
My point is that there's no shame, and nothing non-macho, about taking an honest job and working it to the best of your ability, no matter what it is. And shame on anyone who wants to look down on anyone else who's busting their butt to do what they need to do in this economy, even if it's standing behind a counter in a goofy hat and serving burgers.
Originally posted by dawnstar
reply to post by Steam
yes, because we all know that there are plenty of those good paying "career jobs" out there, enough for all of us!!!
besides, I was reading one story where there was a person with a degree applying, so, well, sorry, your degree isn't any guarentee either!!!
Originally posted by Radekus
I can't believe that there's people here defending MCDonlad's as being a decent job!
A job, in my view, pays rent, food, necessities, and you got a little bit left over
for entertainment (like cable TV). A Career is supposed to offer you the ability to live life
the way it is supposed to be lived, great salary, vacations, camping during weekends,
hanging out with friends, making every available time that you have worthwhile and fun.
Owning a house, supporting a family, and playing golf from time to time, that is a Career.
Now, the beef I have with McDonald's type jobs is that the salary is garbage.
you CANNOT pay rent with it, you CANNOT afford food with it, you CANNOT afford
necessities such as clothing, soap, shampoo, shaving razorblades or deodorant.
Forget owning a car, even if it's a pile of garbage, the only people who work McDees
are kids that go to school that live at their parent's place. Not paying rent enables
them to afford clothes, food and necessities, because rent is out of the equation,
if they don't pay rent that is...
eh, remember, in order to "work up the ladder" at places like mcdees you gotta look presentable,
smell good, know the right people, and of course sell your soul.
Hard to do when you can't even afford rent with the wage (and hours) they give you.
You're better off going to jail than working at McDonald's. At least in jail you're not eating
microwaved noodles and cheese, you're eating chicken and rice.
What we need is more manufacturing jobs, high school education should also be
more concentrated towards trades and specialties, so people can choose not to
deal with this kind of slavery.
Originally posted by donkeystyle
You are just wrong.
Obviously the introductory position at mcdonalds won't buy you a house and a car and all the goods you want.
But what introductory job does? teach yourself a trade? im sorry but that starts at minimum wage too and takes 5 years to reach 25+ an hour, even in the best trades.
You are bashing the guys flipping burgers as though thats where they will be 20 years from now but its a foolish assumption.
Hate the company all you want, but a lot of people who work there make 30-60k a year, every single store has more than 1 employee making 50k or more a year. That's pretty good.
And for people who need to get introduced to the workforce, or re-introduced to the workforce, they have readily available introductory positions.
So many of you are so stuck up, you would rather die than work a job you may not like. I have nothing nice to say about someone like that.
Originally posted by Radekus
The wages are insufficient to live off of, some people feel it more profitable, health wise,
to stay away from these jobs and rely on government assistance instead.
The alternative is crime, do you like that outcome?