I ask you both, why did these creators of the world suddenly wake up, after apparently having been asleep from time
immemorial? Even if there was then no world, time must still have been passing. Time, I say, and not those periods of time which are measured by the
number of nights and days in the course of a year. I admit that these depend upon the circular movement of the world. But from all eternity there has
been an infinite time, unmeasurable by any periodical divisions. This we can understand from the analogy of space. But we cannot even conceive that
once upon a time there was no time at all. (Cicero)
Is time travel possible? Indeed it is.
Is there any evidence for this? In fact there is.
Are we walking through time now? Hell, yes.
Truth is that you are certainly traveling through time this VERY instant. The light from the stars above you are being reflected into your eyes from
BILLIONS of years past. Astronomers are actually observing amazing stellar explosions that occurred thousands of years ago. Not only that, but we are
wrapped around with the Big Bang’s remnants; the Cosmic Microwave Background, which scientists believed occurred 13.7 billion years ago. Light
contains quanta, “packets” of photons...which can carry information. As space expands, things dilute and cool including photons. But unlike
matter, photons don’t slow down when they cool, as they are particles of light, and as we know that light travels at a fixed speed, they always
travel at that speed. If the Big Bang is correct, there is thought to be 400 million of these CMB photons racing through every cubic metre of space.
Indeed, they are the remnants of something that occurred 13.7 billion years ago which have been travelling through time.
Yes, those are all very well...but let us get onto the raw, nitty gritty stuff, which shows like Doctor Who and Heroes indicate. Travelling forwards
and backwards through time, not getting any older, being able to land in any destination you want! If there’s anything you pick up from reading this
thread, let it be this:
The ability to control time in both a forward and backwards direction is possible within the laws of our mathematics and physics in
several ways. Furthermore, there are government funded research labs around the world which are developing several types of time control
In my 2nd part of ‘The Weird and Wacky World of Physics’, I thought I’d bring to you a part of this natural science that does indeed, however
lightly, merge into the conspiracy theme. .well the time travel bit. Hope you enjoy it I’m only a beginner in this...so if there’s anything
wrong..feel free to correct me (which I think it’ll be a lot on this) !
What is Time?
Time is a mystery...possibly one of the ultimate mysteries. It’s
omnipresent yet scientists rarely take the time to reflect upon the nature of it. Some people actually believe that the speed of time is the basis of
everything that exists. We all know how to measure time. It’s the tick tocking of a clock, the unfurling of a calendar or maybe the screechy whines
of an alarm ...but what exactly are we measuring? From this, indeed we learn that time itself is a measurement. It’s all fair and well to go down
the path of describing that there are 24 hours in a day, 60 minutes in an hour, 60 seconds in a minute and so on. Yet that is wrong. You’re only
telling me what time is measured in...not actually what it is. Here is
14 Different Experts on Time
and their opinions.
Time keeps passing yet we can’t actually hold it, study it or prod it. Time is a measured period. Time is of philosophical sense. Time is one of the
fundamental quantities. But what actually is time? All we know
well, assume, is before the Big Bang, there was no space or time. We have accomplished the fact that space and time are two entities so closely
interwoven that to speak of one is to speak of the other...motion affects time (which you’ll see in Special Relativity.) According to these
theories, the concept of time depends on the spatial reference frame of the observer, the human perception and the measurement by instruments. Not
only that but time will CHANGE...in a few hundred million years a day will be 25hrs...due to tidal friction slowing. It’s absolutely crazy. We
perceive time to be an illusion...something not physical.
The Oxford dictionary defines time as ‘the indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present and future.’ A
sequence of events is what we define time to be. It’s a product of conscious intelligence. Let me ask you all a question...do animals have a concept
of time? They are indeed aware of change, but do birds move from the North to the South because it’s November? Or do they move because temperatures
are dropping, food supply is moving to the south and the nights are getting longer? Do they not respond to change based on their ancestors; their
instinct which has been modified in to their genes or on their experiences? There are many mysteries to it though...and sometimes I think that time
itself is an emergent concept. There’s something that causes time and space...they’re made of something else..that’s probably because I’m
influenced by Brian Greene (god, I love that man.) I doubt this century or the next we’ll be able to understand time. It’s befuzzling! The
universe always has tricks up its sleeve and I think time is one of it’s predominate ones.
So...what is time?
We don’t actually know for sure.
This guy below did a series called ‘The Wonders of the Universe.’ Brian Cox gives a great introduction to the general accepted view of time...and
he does say ‘past’ hilariously.
Is Time Directional? The Arrow of Time
There are loads of theories that describe what time may be or how to interact it. Our conventional view is that time flows in one direction. But of
course, theories may be proven wrong
1.Arrow of Time
Time appears to have a direction...yet the majority of laws don’t actually provide this arrow of time. The exceptions include the 2nd law of
thermodynamics (spoken below), cosmological arrow of time (which points away from the Big Bang) and the radiative arrow of time(due to light
travelling only forwards in time). In particle physics, there is a weak arrow of time (from CPT symmetry).
How does time work? That’s a massive question that has a lot of aspects to it and for that, let us bring entropy into it. This is a concept of
‘disorder’...it measures the ways in which a number of items can arrange themselves. For example, a packet of uncooked spaghetti has low entropy
because it has a high disorder. When we chuck it into a pan of boiling water...it becomes tangled and therefore it becomes more disordered and so has
higher entropy. We believe that the universe is an isolated system. Energy is conserved within it. So for the universe as a whole, energy is conserved
and entropy must always increase. Small regions may experience a slight decrease in it but this is compensated for by other regions heating up and
creating more entropy. The second law of thermodynamics states that entropy increases with time; things become more disorderly and therefore it is
called the ‘Arrow of Time.’ Therefore it is a way to DISTINGUISH the past from the future. Therefore in this case, time is ONE-DIRECTIONAL.
2. Einstein’s Theories of Relativity
Einstein demolished time as an idea of a universal constant. He showed that the past, present and future are not absolutes. That indeed caused one of
the largest rifts in science as we know it; the incompatibility of quantum mechanics and general relativity (which can now be solved using string
theory). In the relativity theory, (if you want to read more about it..please move on to the second section and then come back here)....time is the
fourth dimension, and believe it or not...there is no flow of time. His theories denote that time indeed is multidirectional....they define no
real direction for time.
So why we do see only the forward motion of time?
We believe it’s because of the Big Bang. What we know off, it started the universe off with a tremendously high order and a “perfect” state of
low entropy. Since the universe runs down through states of increasing disorder...closer to the equilibrium, where there is no flow of energy, the
direction is defined.
3. Helical Time
However, contrary to the above, I’d like to briefly touch upon this, since I have indeed seen it numerous times around the board. Some actually
believe in a thing called ‘helical’ time...basically its where time moves around and around in circles...and in some respects, it reminds me of
Timewave Zero. The only difference here is that in timewave zero...it actually reaches an end point...in helical time...I don’t think it really
The idea that time, history repeats itself and can actually be predicted? Well in some ways I can see the logic behind that. Look at processes,
nature..and the universe itself...there seem to be endless cycles within it..
Just an example of a model showing time movement; flowing forwards and backwards. Space here is just one axis to show it clearly. The laws of physics
don’t explain why time always points to the future. It’s very mysterious why we have an obvious arrow of time. Although no laws restrict it, why
does time not reverse?
Wait...What? Time DOESN’T exist?
While browsing the Internet, I came across a few startling articles actually pronouncing the fact that time, itself, doesn’t exist. It’s too much
for mind...too much for me to comprehend! From what I’ve been reading, apparently time doesn’t exist, only as our own invention to keep track of
changes...there is not a single event or situation where we can imagine a state that has a beginning or an end. Let’s take an example.
We say that, when a child is born, and it starts to breathe on its own, that’s a beginning. Well, there are lots of people who say the beginning was
a lot earlier than that! Maybe when the child was conceived was the beginning, or when the couple first met, or when the couple were born. There
really is no specific beginning, only a progression of events that led to the present event. Similarly there is no real end; only a series of changes
which lead to a re-arrangement of conditions. When someone “dies” they stop breathing and their bodily functions cease, notably not all at once,
but each in its own “time”. The physical components change into something else, maybe ashes, or wormfood, or fertilizer. But they go on, in a
But of course, that is a philosophical sense. Scientifically speaking, the problem is that time may not exist at the most fundamental level of
physical reality. Let’s take another example:
As Rovelli explains it, in quantum mechanics all particles of matter and energy can also be described as waves. And waves have an unusual
property: An infinite number of them can exist in the same location. If time and space are one day shown to consist of quanta, the quanta could all
exist piled together in a single dimensionless point. “Space and time in some sense melt in this picture,” says Rovelli. “There is no space
anymore. There are just quanta kind of living on top of one another without being immersed in a space.”
As Rovelli describes it, “Time may be an approximate concept that emerges at large scales—a bit like the concept of ‘surface of the water,’
which makes sense macroscopically but which loses a precise sense at the level of the atoms.”
Does kinda work with my thoughts on time (it being a emergent concept) It may be true, it may not...but this is exactly what physics is all about.
Finding new ways of thinking about the world, proposing them and seeing if they work.
Methods of Time Travel The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination. – Albert Einstein
Time travel isn't something we should postulate. It's happening NOW. Right in front of our very eyes. It holds such fascination to a range of
people...and especially because of the countless amounts of books, movies and entertainment on it. What’s interesting in today’s century is that
people are no longer speculating that time loops can exist, but are looking at ways to prove they exist, using observations. There are numerous
stories on this: Inadvertent Time Travellers which triggered some fascinating
responses. Forget Stargate my friends and watch this fantasy actually become a reality.
1. Einstein’s Theories of Relativity The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is at all comprehensible – Albert
From the beginning, Albert Einstein showed a curiosity, a hunger that could not be satiated. For a man who had been thought to have speech
difficulties, quit high school, and failed some college entrance exams...he found one of the most momentous discoveries to date. He answered the most
puzzling question of all-time until that second, ‘What happens when you chase a beam of light?’ and then developed two of the greatest theories
known to man.
Although Einstein was a scientific nobody when he published these theories, they were read by Max Planck (who at that time was working on black body
radiation I believe) and it is perhaps because of his adoption of Einstein’s ideas that were accepted rather than sidelined. Planck saw the beauty
in his equations, catapulting him to global fame. If anyone is interested in the papers he wrote, here’s a great project on it:
Einstein's Paper Project
In 1905, Albert Einstein showed strange effects happen when things move very quickly. He found that:
1. The laws of physics are the same wherever you are. This means that an experiment carried out in a moving train will give the same results as
when it is performed in a lab. Furthermore, if there were no windows on the train and it was moving at a constant speed, there is no experiment that
you could do to see whether or not it was actually moving.
2. The speed of light is the same for everyone. The speed of light being the same wherever you are might not seem strange, but think about how we
normally experience speeds. A ball thrown on a moving train will have a greater speed than a ball thrown with the same force by someone standing on
the platform. This is because the speed of the train is added to that of the ball to give its total speed. But this isn't the case with light. If you
measure the speed of the light produced by torches on a moving train and a stationary platform, you will get the same speed - the speed of the train
doesn't matter. When you measure the speed of light it doesn't matter if you are moving or stationary, or if the source of the light is moving - the
speed is always the same: 300,000,000 metres per second.
What does that imply? Well, put it lightly, watching an object approach light speed (approximately 300,000,000m/s) you will see it become
heavier, contract in length and age more slowly. We don’t experience this because the speeds we are travelling at the moment are
nothing compared to the speed of light. As we increase how close we are to it, the faster time goes by, the more we age and lengths shorten.
The object or the person moving at that speed WOULD NOT NOTICE either effect, it would just appear so to another view.
From this, Einstein delivered one of the most famous formulas through history:
E = mc²
It’s a way that objects are prevented from passing the light speed barrier. As the mass grows, an object would become infinitely large at light
speed itself, making any further acceleration NOT POSSIBLE. And anything with mass cannot reach the speed of light exactly, but only APPROACH is, as
the closer it gets the heavier and more difficult to accelerate it becomes.
And fear not; this isn’t JUST a theory. It has indeed been proved. Time dilation expressed the
fact that clocks in different moving inertial frames may run at different speeds. This was indeed proved in 1971 by sending 4 identical atomic clocks
on scheduled flights twice around the world, 2 flying eastwards and 2 flying westwards. Comparing their times with matched clock on the Earth’s
surface in the US, the moving clocks had each lost a fraction of a second compared with the grounded clock...therefore proving special relativity.
The equivalence of mass and energy were shocking, as were all the implications for time dilation and mass. Einstein’s special relativity was a
radical departure from what had gone before. If you want to read on more about SR..here’s a great place to start:
I thought I’d chuck this into here because it was such a huge, huge part of our scientific history even though it’s not really associated with
time travel...got to love this chap..and it just makes the concept of relativity complete. He, Einstein, went even further. He incorporated gravity
into his theory of special relativity. He proposed that all space and time communicate the gravitational attractive force through curvature, which
revolutionised our view of space and time. It opened up a universe of black holes, worm holes and gravitational lenses. Ninety years ago, on 25
November 1915, Einstein published the gravitational field equations of general relativity, the so-called Einstein equations.
Imagine a person jumping off a tall building, or parachuting from a plane, being accelerated towards the ground by gravity. Einstein realised that in
this state of free fall they did not experience gravity. They were weightless. We can recreate the zero gravity conditions of space exactly in this
way, by flying a vomit comet (a passenger jet) in a path of a roller coaster. When the plane flies upwards the passengers are glued to their seats as
they experience strong forces of gravity. When the plane tips forwards, they plummet downwards and the passengers are released from gravity’s pull
and can float in the body of the aircraft.
Einstein recognised that this acceleration was equivalent to the force of gravity. Just as special relativity describes what happens in reference
frames, moving at some constant speed relative to one another, gravity was the consequence of being in a reference frame that is accelerating.
After a few more intensive years of work, he came to the conclusion:
The medium that transmits gravity is space itself. Mass causes the space to warp around it. I’d like to further stress and
emphasise the fact that it not only distorts space but TIME as well (ever so slightly). It also predicted that the universe is expanding (which it is
thought to due to dark matter)
So yes, YOU are causing a very very very small dip in space and time. Don’t you feel so important?
In general relativity theory, the three dimensions of space and one of time are combined into a four dimensional space-grid/metric. Because light
speed is fixed, nothing can exceed it, when moving and accelerating it is the space time metric that distorts to maintain the fixed speed of light.
Since 1850, astronomers had been baffled by the behaviour of Mercury. Why? Because it’s orbit didn’t obey Newton’s law, changing by a minute
amount. Observations show that there was an error by a width of a pin at 300 paces. Einstein showed that general relativity could account for this
because Mercury is quite deep in the gravity field of the sun.
Our star distorts space-time into a gravity well shown below:
As the Sun moves against the background of fixed stars, the positions seem to move slightly...and that is because gravity is bending light. The light
appears to come from a different direction.
General Relativity has some major consequences. It arises some incredible possibilities like antigravity (repulsive gravity), Van Stockum dust and
wormholes. To read more and about it and find out why it’s so important to us, here’s a great paper to read through:
A race is now underway to find ‘gravitational’ waves...it’s been predicted by general relativity that they are sent out from humongous stellar
explosions. It’s quite difficult to detect because gravity is the weakest fundamental force we have. Also, just like the other gauge bosons out
there (the force carriers)..we believe there is one for gravity...called the graviton. Very imaginative isn’t it? The first three forces come under
the banner of quantum theory. Trying to marry G.R with quantum theory doesn’t seem like it’s going to appear anytime soon..maybe we’re going to
have wait until the next century. To further read about relativity..here you go: Light Cones, Michelson Experiment and such.. (For the advanced) Relativity (Advanced) Special Relativity (More Advanced)
Theorists have known about wormholes for over 70 years as Einstein put forward the G.R.T, which allows for the existence of it. I can separate
wormholes into 2 categories; microscopic – they may determine the values of all the constants in all the laws of physics and macroscopic – they
can provide a very interesting means of travelling backwards in time.
A wormhole may be turned into a time machine by keeping one mouth of the hole fixed with respect to distant stars, while moving the other. Time will
flow more slowly at the moving mouth than at the stationary mouth...they will here experience time dilation. They can be further broken into
inter-universe or intra-universe...both can exist in the same universe or in different universes.
Problems? Wormholes, if they do exist may be extremely unstable. Stephen Hawking claims that wormholes may exist in
quantum foam (thought to be the foundations of the fabric of the universe and it can be used to
describe small distances...very, very, very small distances.) At this level, quantum fluctuations occur...things blink in and out of existence
abruptly. They may be too small for a human to time travel through. May one day, we could capture and enlarge them? Another problem is thought that
it’s very unstable...if any matter, even a single photon attempts to pass through, the wormhole will collapse upon itself. One way around this is
thought to be exotic matter.
Wormholes do have some amazing applications though!
The scientists propose other possible applications, such as in magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), where a wormhole device could be used
to allow doctors to operate on a patient while simultaneously imaging the patient. Doctors could insert metal surgical tools into the tunnel area
without disturbing the MRI machine's magnetic field.
Another example is an optical computer, where active components could be placed inside wormholes such as to not interact with each other and
Metamaterials for invisibility, while still in the very early stages of development, are already being researched. Last year, scientists from
Duke University created a device that renders a copper disc invisible to observation by microwaves.
Cosmic Strings and CTC
In my previous thread, I mentioned strings. Some scientists have suggested ‘cosmic strings’, the universe itself, is a time machine. Of course
this is very hypothetical.
This can be achieved by pulling 2 cosmic strings together or stretching one string close to a block hole to warp enough to create a closed timelike
curve (CTC). The object would follow a path where it’ll eventually end at its starting point. It arises from ‘frame dragging’ where a massive
object/intense gravitational field moves and “drags” space-time along with it. This then means by using gravity to produce two cosmic strings...a
spaceship can theoretically propel itself into the past. It would loop around the cosmic strings.
I’ve got to admit. I have no clue what I’m talking about here. Apparently quantum tunnelling is all about mathematics. It’s a wave coupling
effect that occurs in quantum mechanics.
With the correct wavelength combined with the proper tunnelling barrier, it is possible to pass the signals faster than light...going backwards in
It’s said that we should be scared of what we can’t see...and indeed it’s true. Getting too close to one of these will mean a lot of pain.
Inside a blackhole, the very fabric of the universe is collapsed into a point of infinite curvature’ a space-time singularity where the laws of
physics do not apply. Some physicists believe that blackholes may be doorways to wormholes...shortcuts between distant points of the universe, time or
even parallel universe.
But surely the journey to the singularity itself is meant to rip you apart?
Of course...but physicists believe that there is one type of blackhole that doesn’t do this..named the Kerr blackhole. A guy named Roy Kerr believed
that if stars collapsed into a rotating ring of neutron stars (very very dense stars), their centrifugal force would prevent them from turning into a
singularity. Now...that means the blackhole itself would be safe to enter without being torn apart by the infinite gravitation force at its centre.
Tipler Cylinder and Light
Take a piece of material 10xthe mass of the Sun, roll it into a thing, long, dense cylinder and start spinning it to a few billion revolutions per
minute. Taaaaaadaaaaaa....you can time travel! The Tipler Cylinder is based upon Einstein’s GR...that a rotation of matter causes a distorting in
space-time. This distortion can actually TWIST time around a rotating cylinder. With the right amount of mass and speed, a CTC can be created..and
therefore you can time travel.
Recreate this but by using gamma and magnetic fields to warp time. The fields can be used to create circulating light beams to warp/loop time. This
twists space...but as shown, space and time have a very close bond and thus we can twist time as well. This is actually being experimented but by
using lasers...as you will see below!
Of course, there are many more out there. Below though is just a quick overview on the characteristics of some of these methods:
Although it's only limited at the moment, this accomplishment is massive. Think about what we could do in a few centuries! It's mind blowing. To
think, we are now developing time control technologies is simply astounding. I’ve just brushed over a FEW methods that we could use. Feel free to
research some more on them
Below give some characteristics of methods:
Governments and Time Travel Once confined to fantasy and science fiction, time travel is now simply an engineering problem. – Michio
The following is left to your own judgement. How much you believe it or not is up to you Well this whole thread is to be fair haha. I didn’t
think the governments would actually take this seriously. Apparently they are now funding research on time travel technologies. Below shows some
The First Time Machine. Ronald Mallet recently showed that a massive spinning neutral particle at the centre of a ring laser exhibits frame dragging,
it will “drag” space and time.
Mallett believes he has found a way to make it happen. By trapping light inside a photonic crystal, he can cause it to circulate. The energy of
the circulating light will cause the space inside the circle to twist, causing a gravitational force. This concept can be thought of as a spoon
stirring a pot. The light is the spoon rotating around the inner rim of the pot. The space is the liquid being swirled by the spoon. As the space
twists, it will coil the normally linear passage of time with it, spiralling the past, present, and future together into one continuous loop. It is
this twisting of space and time that Mallett believes will make time travel possible.
Mallett and his partner at the University of Connecticut, Dr. Chandra Raychoudhuri, are seeking National Science Foundation funding for experiments
that they hope will support their theories. Their first experiment will be to trap light in a crystal and observe the reaction of a neutron inside the
circle. Mallett will insert polarized neutrons (neutrons that all spin in one direction) into the centre of the circulating light. If he sees a change
in their spin he will know that space is indeed being twisted inside of the crystal. Should this experiment prove successful, the team will apply for
funding to conduct studies to see if time bending is evident inside the circle of light.
Dr. Mark Silverman at Trinity College in nearby Hartford has suggested a possible way to see evidence of time bending: Two identical samples of a
radioactive substance would be prepared with identical half-lives. One would be introduced into the time machine circulating in the same direction as
the light, the other in the opposite direction. If, at the end of the experiment, one sample had decayed further than the other, Mallett's theories of
time travel would be supported.
This project is underway...the only thing with this is the fact that you’ll only be able to time travel back to the place you turned this
The Philadelphia Experiment
One of the most well known stories about secret experiments in time is the Philadelphia Experiment. It’s thought that in 1943 the US Navy was
conducting invisibility experiments aboard the USS Eldridge. The aim was to make the ship undetectable to radar. Yet there were rumours that while
this was achieved, so was another. The ship itself, was thought to become invisible to the naked eye....it dematerialised in Norfolk Harbour and
materialised in Philadelphia Harbour 24 hours later.
Apparently, 21 survived to die later of the 181 crew members, 40 died and 120 never came back...
The Montauk Project
It was said that under the Montauk Air Force Station there was a massive underground complex where a project occurred where it would fine tune the
Philadelphia Experiment..and take over where it left off. Furthermore, the conspiracy deepens that apparently the funding comes from Nazi gold, found
in a train by USA soldiers. Talks speak off a cover-up where the train was destroyed and the soldiers involved were killed.
Nicola Tesla...one of the greatest inventors to date. Here’s an extract I found which I thought was fascinating:
In my years as a military intelligence operative I came into contact with a number of top-secret programs that were either investigating, or,
shockingly enough, actively using technology based on some of Tesla’s “wild” ideas. Both the United States and Russia have active Particle
Beam and RF (radio frequency) weaponry that has been in operation since the early 1970′s – all as a result of Tesla’s early 19th and 20th
Century experiments. To say that there are other black budget projects involving Tesla-based research would wildly underestimate the total amount of
research and development being conducted right now by many countries worldwide. And these are the projects that we know about. Who knows how many
deep, dark, secret projects are being conducted right now with science that could be decades, even hundreds of years beyond what civilian science
In 1895, while conducting research with his step-up transformer, Nikola Tesla had his first indications that time and space could be influenced by
using highly charged, rotating magnetic fields. Part of this revelation came about from Tesla’s experimentation with radio frequencies and the
transmission of electrical energy through the atmosphere.
With these experiments in high-voltage electricity and magnetic fields, Tesla discovered that time and space could be breached, or warped, creating a
“doorway” that could lead to other time frames. But with this monumental discovery, Tesla also discovered, through personal experience, the very
real dangers inherent with time travel.Tesla’s first brush with time travel came in March 1895. A reporter for the New York Herald wrote on March
13 that he came across the inventor in a small café, looking shaken after being hit by 3.5 million volts, “I am afraid,” said Tesla, “that you
won’t find me a pleasant companion tonight. The fact is I was almost killed today. The spark jumped three feet through the air and struck me here
on the right shoulder. If my assistant had not turned off the current instantly in might have been the end of me.”
Tesla, on contact with the resonating electromagnetic charge, found himself outside his time-frame reference. He reported that he could see the
immediate past – present and future, all at once. But he was paralyzed within the electromagnetic field, unable to help himself. His assistant, by
turning off the current, released Tesla before any permanent damage was done.
A member, pianopraze brought this to my attention, which I thought I might as well share. I’ll leave it to your judgement:
Traces of Time Travelling?
Think about the large amount of objects that we have recovered or things that just don’t seem possible for the age? Could they have not been
explained by time travel?
Let me show you some possibilities.
In 1885, a block of coal was broken open to find a metal cube worked by intelligent hands.
In 1912, employees at an electric plant broke apart a large chunk of coal and found an iron pot.
A nail was found embedded in a sandstone block from Mesozoic Era.
A human fossil print was found in limestone estimated to be 110 million years old.
Please remember, these are just a FEW.
To achieve time travel this would be absolutely incredible. Not only would we be able to travel through space...but TIME! I’ll leave you to think
about the possibilities. Fear not all you science-nerds out there...Part 3 will go back to Physics
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awesome thread you took all the theories of Time , Control and the Gov Nicely! BRAVO...
some of these theories I had learned before but you have brought us up to speed on what is possible and shown that over the 100 years or more there
has been serious tests done in secret what we are seeing now with the private science are just in the infancy compared to what our Gov. has probably
already achieved with space time control and Manipulation.
it still amazes me how this information has not been taught to everyone it has been hidden or written of as unexplainable,
makes me wonder what the Large hadron collider is really capable of
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Very well written and a joy to read, the concept of time travel has always been a facination of mine Incidently (and randomly) last night's dream
involved it, well, someone trying to explain on a diagram about time travel and how to use two beams of energy to create it ... or something like that
One of my favorite sayings is - "There's no time like the present. in fact there never was"
The Western cultures obsession with time has always been something that bothered me.
It's not surprising that India is leading the world in research on this as Asian cultures have a far different outlook on the basis of time and
This will be hailed as one of the finest threads ever produced on ATS, I have no doubt.
Fantastic work! I can't wait for your next installment.
Thank you very, very much
There's a problem with time travel and I don't think some of these scientists have ever considered this problem. If you somehow travel through time
and reach the past and decide to interfere with someone's life in the past, wouldn't it immediately change their life in present time? They could be
doing something while you're disrupting their past and then suddenly everything around them changes, which in turn would change many different things
for many other people this person has interacted with. Would they even notice it or would it just completely erase their memory and refresh it? It
doesn't make any sense and it seems completely impossible. Time is not a physical entity and cannot be altered in any way. Space is also not a
physical entity because it doesn't consist of anything. Space is an empty void of nothingness; absence of matter. If there's a "fabric of space"
that is warped by massive objects, why do they always display it as a flat grid? What about the space surrounding the top of the star? Wouldn't it be
warped up there as well? What about the space surrounding the middle of the star? What about the space in between the atoms of the star? It doesn't
make sense. I find it more plausible to say that gravity is caused by the rotation of electromagnetic objects. The atoms that the objects consist of
have electromagnetic fields around them and the attraction between those atoms and the atoms of another object can be increased when they are spinning
at a high rate of speed. It doesn't make any sense to say that time and space are physical entities that can be distorted. Time is merely a
conceptual, mathematical and philosophical measurement invented by humans. Space is the black and empty void of nothingness that all matter exists in.
You can't physically alter a concept nor can you physically alter nothing (space).
Originally posted by BlackPoison94
A member, pianopraze brought this to my attention, which I thought I might as well share. I’ll leave it to your judgement:
Well.... I mentioned it in a thread you were in lol
Here is the Coast to Coast AM show I was referring to. It was one of Art Bells few
apperances for all of you Art Bell C2C fans For those of you like me with stream link, or I guess they call it insider account now, you can
download it there, there are excerpts for free for everyone
as with all era's, scientist think they know everything and anyone speaking out, or researching projects that are considered unorthodox. are more than
likely to receive ridicule over encouragement from their fellow scientist.
yet time and again its the lone scientist or explorer that proves the establishments wrong while opening up entirely new fields of science for us to
Below is a list of scientists who were reviled for their crackpottery, only to be later proven correct. Today's science texts are dishonest to
the extent that they hide these huge mistakes made by the scientific community. They rarely discuss the acts of intellectual suppression which were
directed at the following researchers by their colleagues. And... after wide reading, I've never encountered any similar list. This is very
Arrhenius (ion chemistry)
Alfven, Hans (galaxy-scale plasma dynamics)
Baird, John L. (television camera)
Bakker, Robert (fast, warm-blooded dinosaurs)
Bardeen & Brattain (transistor)
Bretz J Harlen (ice age geology)
Chandrasekhar, Subrahmanyan (black holes in 1930)
Chladni, Ernst (meteorites in 1800)
Crick & Watson (DNA)
Doppler (optical Doppler effect)
Folk, Robert L. (existence and importance of nanobacteria)
Harvey, William (circulation of blood, 1628)
Krebs (ATP energy, Krebs cycle)
Galileo (supported the Copernican viewpoint)
Gauss, Karl F. (nonEuclidean geometery)
Binning/Roher/Gimzewski (scanning-tunneling microscope)
Goddard, Robert (rocket-powered space ships)
Goethe (Land color theory)
Gold, Thomas (deep non-biological petroleum deposits)
Gold, Thomas (deep mine bacteria)
Lister, J (sterilizing)
T Maiman (Laser)
"Concepts which have proved useful for ordering things easily assume so great an authority over us, that we forget their terrestrial origin and accept
them as unalterable facts. They then become labeled as 'conceptual necessities,' etc. The road of scientific progress is frequently blocked for long
periods by such errors." - Einstein
Margulis, Lynn (endosymbiotic organelles)
Mayer, Julius R. (The Law of Conservation of Energy)
Marshall, B (ulcers caused by bacteria, helicobacter pylori)
McClintlock, Barbara (mobile genetic elements, "jumping genes", transposons)
Newlands, J. (pre-Mendeleev periodic table)
Nott, J. C. (mosquitos xmit Yellow Fever)
Nottebohm, F. (neurogenesis: brains can grow neurons)
Ohm, George S. (Ohm's Law)
Ovshinsky, Stanford R. (amorphous semiconductor devices)
Pasteur, Louis (germ theory of disease)
Prusiner, Stanley (existence of prions, 1982)
Rous, Peyton (viruses cause cancer)
Semmelweis, I. (surgeons wash hands, puerperal fever )
Steen-McIntyre, Virginia (southwest US Indians village , 300,000BC)
Tesla, Nikola (Earth electrical resonance, "Schumann" resonance)
Tesla, Nikola (brushless AC motor)
J H van't Hoff (molecules are 3D)
Warren, Warren S (flaw in MRI theory)
Wegener, Alfred (continental drift)
Wright, Wilbur & Orville (flying machines)
Zwicky, Fritz (existence of dark matter, 1933)
Zweig, George (quark theory)
Edison considered one of the greater scientist of his age at the time completely tried to smear Tesla's work going so far as to electrocute an
elephant to prove how wrong Tesla was.
edit on 16-4-2011 by McTurbo because: added more to the post
I personally think any scientist actively trying to build a time machine should be executed or drugged up so much they are borderline veggies. Time
travel= too dangerous(Time Travel in the traditional sense).
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