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Originally posted by sharpy777
Creation is true but Religion has corrupted the logical truth of creation. Evolution is also true, but due to narrow minded views fails to answer every question about the origin of our universe.
Originally posted by sharpy777
Creation is true but Religion has corrupted the logical truth of creation. Evolution is also true, but due to narrow minded views fails to answer every question about the origin of our universe. Together they provide a total unified answer to everything.
Note: Im not religious. I am attempting to convey the logical understanding i have of God. The God i believe in does not watch over us, or intervene given prayer, or create life as we know it in an instant. My idea of God is the intelligent design behind the universe, where life is left to fend for itself within that design.
If we simply believe creation, then we subject ourselves to a narrow minded viewpoint, one which by many beliefs denounces clear and proven evidence for evolution as a key factor for life on earth. Someone i know who is Christian believes for instance that Dinosaurs came into existance around 6000 years ago and co-existed with man, but were wiped from the earth by God. Arguing against science he claims that carbon dating does not measure the age of fossils properly and is 100% wrong. He also believes that no life exists anywhere other than earth, that the universe is simply a 'light show' for mankind, to display God's power. And that the earth and all life was created instantly by a concious God. With Creation understood in this current form it fails to provide a logical answer and relies on people to push logic aside.
On the other side of the arguement, Evolution has one goal and that is to proove beyond a doubt that what Religion teaches about life's beginnings is false through utilisation of scientific measurement, theory and observation. Evolution is primarily geared to explain how life began to change at the begining, how species were able to adapt and result in what we see on earth when we observe the 100,000's of species. Evolution by itself can never accept Creation from the Religious view.
If we remove Religion from the equation for a moment and simply focus on Creation in its raw element, we can understand that the true God is the universe entirely. Our universe exists inside an infinite vast emptiness, endless and desolate void. The universe in its physical form is God and is also the design of God inside and out. The stars, our planet, life itself.. Is the embodiment of God's design.
How does this tie into Evolution? Well my belief is simply that God is the logical source of everything. God is the platform for the universe to exist, which is designed to flow through time and through this understanding we can see that the universe is capable of producing life in the rarest of circumstances. Life is an integral part of God's purpose, but God does not choose when and where life starts, God does not directly influence or control anything on earth, does not decide when mankind will perish and ultimately does not have a direct concious real time connection to life on earth. Time only exists within the physical universe.. Outside of which where time is not present, God gave design to the universe so that it already encorporated what is neccessary for life to begin and grow. We are merely a result of this design having worked as planned.
The concious intelligence of God is represented by the harmony and brilliance of our universe, everything we understand can be viewed as one of many functions/aspects of what/who God is.
1) You need to let go of the idea that God can directly influence life on earth.
2) It is the idea that God acts like an overseer for his creation that is wrong.
3) The design is God at the begining and the end, so any idea of an overseer is simply the ability to recognise the design flowing with the dimension of time.
Without evolution in the picture the world would only contain the most basic form of micro-organism. Life seeded without the capability to grow, expand, change and evolve, would not be life at all, it would not be anything as humans would not have come into being. Theorised by the representation of organisms stepping from one form to another due to neccessity caused by localised changes and other variables, evolution is the growth of this universal gem, into something ultimately brilliant.
Arguements against this idea:
Evolution is true but God does not have a role to play? Evolution can be prooven through observation, clearly there is truth behind the theory. But claiming Evolution is possible because the Universe let it happen, not God, is like saying the Universe has always been, the laws of physics are permanently embeded and the Big Bang simply released it all into a flurry of expanding gas, matter and energy, creating space and time and the universe we witness today. This is wrong because in a void it is impossible for a singularity to be present without purpose or origin. Beyond our universe is a void, subtract the current universe and you are left with nothing, for anything to begin you need a source and you need purpose.
If we follow evolution in its current form, we blindly believe that the Big Bang was present in a void with no reason or purpose. Essentially by that token we say the Big Bang originates from no where other than itself. This is an illogical loop of a belief, one which claims the Big Bang is the beginning and the Big Bang is the source of its own being. This is wrong, this can not be true, this is impossible.
To sumarise, Evolution alone accounts for the life on earth in its superb variety, but fails to address the origin of the universe which set the foundation for life to even be possible. Creation is not logical from the Religious viewpoint, it is only logical when God is understood to be the universe itself, which at its beginning had already set in place the design which allows for the seeding of life at a point in time when life supporting conditions are achieved.
Originally posted by sharpy777
Creation is true but Religion has corrupted the logical truth of creation. Evolution is also true, but due to narrow minded views fails to answer every question about the origin of our universe. Together they provide a total unified answer to everything.
Originally posted by downunderET
The story of us evolving from apes is absured.
Originally posted by ButterCookie
The Ancient Alien Theory
Originally posted by AxlJones
Originally posted by sharpy777
Creation is true but Religion has corrupted the logical truth of creation. Evolution is also true, but due to narrow minded views fails to answer every question about the origin of our universe.
I stopped reading right there.
Evolution isn't about answering every question about the origin of this universe.
I ask you to do only one thing, physically pinch yourself and ask yourself, where did we come from?
The story of us evolving from apes is absured.
Our whole human history has been covered up, the evidence of a superior race is all over this planet, and still people want to be believe that we either evolved or were created, I just dont get it???????
Originally posted by iterationzero
Originally posted by sharpy777
Creation is true but Religion has corrupted the logical truth of creation. Evolution is also true, but due to narrow minded views fails to answer every question about the origin of our universe. Together they provide a total unified answer to everything.
Evolution has nothing to do with trying to "answer every question about the origin of our universe". Any conversation which poses this as the purpose of the theory of evolution is going to automatically devolve into non sequitur almost instantly. The theory of evolution doesn't even speak to the origin of life, even though it's often accused of not answering the question of how life came to be. The theory of evolution is pertinent to one thing - changes in allele frequency over successive generations within a given population. It has nothing to do with the origin of the universe.
Originally posted by uva3021
reply to post by sharpy777
Sure it would be nice if God created a universe to circuitously appropriate itself through 14.5 billion years of historical contingency resulting in a charming little home for humans. These words you use, "mind", "design", "consciousness", only exist because we are here. I'm assuming your god is a source of mind. A mind so powerful and beyond comprehension, a mind sophisticated enough to create an impenetrable algorithm of design and diversity, where not even the slightest bit of randomness can invade. A grand assumption.
Our existence is a probability distribution, whose parameters involve all the cohort of possible pathways that life histories could emerge. The myriad mutations that could have arisen in all living things acting as a part of the local ecosystem, each having possible positions in design space that are currently not being expressed, yet filled with alternatives of sufficient "fitness." The vanishing probability of the mass extinctions occurring in sequence, attributing to all major life changes and events. Climate changes, solar and planetary activity, the behavior of distant nebulae. All attribute to the evolution of human consciousness. And God planned it the entire way?
This psychological need to grasp at the idea of something greater is ironically a necessary quality for those species burdened with the capacities of mind, foresight, and abstraction. Though knowing what we do know, all the evidence, and the rigorous science attached to the rich accretion of data accumulated over the last 2 million years of a mind, has rendered the notion of god superfluous, a viral meme that is only good at making copies of itself. A meme that serves nothing to promote our reproductive fitness.edit on 15-4-2011 by uva3021 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by sharpy777
I cant edit my thread for some reason.. Think i should have proof read what i wrote before submiting it, there's a couple errors i see.
But in response to your comment, my point is to do away with this idea that a lot of people have which goes, if Evolution is correct, Creation is wrong.
Evolution is also true, but due to narrow minded views fails to answer every question about the origin of our universe.
Arguing against science he claims that carbon dating does not measure the age of fossils properly and is 100% wrong.
On the other side of the arguement, Evolution has one goal and that is to proove beyond a doubt that what Religion teaches about life's beginnings is false through utilisation of scientific measurement, theory and observation.
The universe in its physical form is God and is also the design of God inside and out.
The concious intelligence of God is represented by the harmony and brilliance of our universe, everything we understand can be viewed as one of many functions/aspects of what/who God is.
But claiming Evolution is possible because the Universe let it happen, not God, is like saying the Universe has always been, the laws of physics are permanently embeded and the Big Bang simply released it all into a flurry of expanding gas, matter and energy, creating space and time and the universe we witness today.
To sumarise, Evolution alone accounts for the life on earth in its superb variety, but fails to address the origin of the universe which set the foundation for life to even be possible.