Originally posted by pngxp
all the people freaking out about abuse of power are all correct.

we should do away with all laws, everything from jaywalking to murder.

that way, when you decide you want to cross the street whenever YOU want, regardless of everyone else around, and you get hit by a car and killed. the driver wont be charged with murder. because all laws are bad and pointless right?

oh wait.

and as for the 2nd guy. it really is his fault and his fault alone. when cops tell you to do something, you do it. whether its to stop running your mouth or to put the weapon down. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO IT. PERIOD. if you dont, thats your decision and you have to face the consequences.

society has laws for a reason, it needs laws for a reason. and if everyone starts picking and choosing which ones they deem appropriate, it all collapses.

yes the cops should have and could have handled it better. a simple warning should be more than sufficient for a minor infraction. but still. laws are laws.

Allow me to explain why your argument is severely retarded...


We have had laws long before codes, statutes and acts...
A code violation is NOT a law violation. You think it is: people also believe in "God."
Does it make it true? Nope.

Within the construct of the current system as it is: it is inherently #ed up and flawed. -Check.
Your analogy does NOT correlate to this situation.

Your personal feelings get in the way of sound/logical point of view because you're emotional
and irrational and an obvious smart ass: based on your own post.

Since you obviously have a license, ID, SSN and USE them to identify yourself:
you tell law enforcement that YOU: are under their jurisdiction because YOU are a corporate fiction-sorry.

A human being has the right to privacy, not to incriminate himself and to be secure in his property.
He did NOTHING wrong, did not breach the peace and did not commit a crime: no crime no charge.

He did not know how to handle himself as I, and other human beings do.
Since he was a person: he had to reveal his government issued ID: and BAM: they could now take him lawfully.


This doesn't happen to me and many other people because:

WE KNOW OUR RIGHTS.
Perhaps you don't? That sucks for you.

Yelling at a cop, arguing tells the cop you are an aggressive person.
Peacefully talking to them takes away their anger and their stance.

stuff like this happens all the time in chicago where arrogance of authority and abuse of power defeats the real purpose of justice. Its sad that police cnt do their job right even in simple circumstances like this

Well, this don't suprise me, there are a lot of pricks working for the NYPD, that is a fact. One disturbing aspect to this thread, seems a lot of americans are cowards with some stockholm syndrome or something....... Most reasonable people I know avoid the cops, it should not have to be that way at all.....

What does it matter if the man was even speaking to the officer? He could have said, "You rot in hell, you pig!" and it shouldn't have made a bit of difference. Yes, freedom of speech can be a blow to the ego, but truly, how does a shiny badge put you above having to tolerate it like everyone else?