Freemasonry: a Cult of Neofascist, Militant, Genocidal, Capitalists and anti-Communists.

we have five senses, to which we can experience the outer world, you more or less did experience it through smell and sight did you not?

Originally posted by Christophorus0
we have five senses, to which we can experience the outer world, you more or less did experience it through smell and sight did you not?

It smelt horrible, looked disgusting, felt cold and clammy, kind of hissed as it collapsed in on itself and I had no wish to taste it... I came to an honest conclusion based on all my five senses.

lol indeed

Originally posted by inforeal
Hey Lucifer, who to you isn’t a genocidal fascist?
Are the girl scouts okay?

No, clearly they're capitalists trying to make a buck off of cookie sales.

reply to post by JoshNorton


They are door to door pushers of addictive substances too! Especially those tasty Thin Mints and Samoas!

reply to post by Lucifer777


Capitalism, communism, fascism, monarchiasm every ism you can think of amounts to the same degradation and power enslavement for the earth and it's people. When will we ever rise above all of this crap? When there is no world to live in....We are simply repeating the same nightmare over and over again. We just give it a different label, pr it to death and find ways to subjugate everything for greed, power, dominion and utter bondage.

Originally posted by Egyptia
reply to post by Lucifer777

 

Capitalism, communism, fascism, monarchiasm every ism you can think of amounts to the same degradation and power enslavement for the earth and it's people. When will we ever rise above all of this crap? When there is no world to live in....We are simply repeating the same nightmare over and over again. We just give it a different label, pr it to death and find ways to subjugate everything for greed, power, dominion and utter bondage.

I have actually already responded to the "argument from political Nihilism" on the previous page, however the same Nihilistic arguments keep coming up again and again. Unfortunately this kind of political Nihilism is becoming infectious among conspiracy theorists who seem to be "against" all political systems and who are usually not "for" anything. I suspect that even the evils of the modern Capitalist system would be preferable to this kind of Nihilism, which is somewhat similar to Nihilism of "punk rock Anarchism," and which has nothing to do with the political ideology of Anarcho-Communism.

I have a prewritten essay for the purposes of responding to the political Nihilists, though frankly I have yet to get a Nihilist to respond explaining to me what they are "for" in terms of an intelligenct and well thought out counterproposal to the current dictatorship of Capitalism.

every ism you can think of

For those of you who have a problem with "isms," an ism is simply an adjective; and if you have a problem with adjectives (i.e., describing words), then why stop with adjectives, since nouns are also describing words; thus I would request that if any anti-ism-ist wishes to respond, that they avoid using all nouns and adjectives and try to express themselves as meaninglessly as possible.

Lux

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On the Ideology of Political Nihilism or “Political Agnosticism"

Lucifer 2011
For Anarchism. For Communism.

"Hatred as an element of the struggle; a relentless hatred of the enemy, impelling us over and beyond the natural limitations that man is heir to and transforming him into an effective, violent, selective and cold killing machine. Our soldiers must be thus; a people without hatred cannot vanquish a brutal enemy." ....Che Guevara (Message to the Tricontinental; 1967)

By "political atheism" the term is used metaphorically; it refers to such people as Gerald Celente who, despite being a rather insightful critic of the abuses of Capitalism, describes him self as a "political atheist. unencumbered by political dogma or rigid ideology;" though I think that the term "political agnosticism" is probably more descriptive.

The proponents of this kind of ideology tend to try to suggest that their ideology of political agnosticism gives them a "moral high ground," however I consider this to be a rather "confused" ideology. It is of course probably just a statement of honesty, since many people simply do not have "any" counterproposal to the current economic hell on earth created by Capitalism. I suppose that it is better to be simply honest about the matter than to fanatically promote a counterproposal which would provide no real practical solution, however political agnosticism is certainly the definition of "no practical solution."

Having grown up in the 1960's in Europe, it did seem to me that most of my generation in Eastern Europe just wanted a pair of Levi jeans, to listen to rock music and to emigrate to Western Europe from the repressive Communist police states of Eastern Europe. I most certainly have never admired the East European form of repressive Communism, and most of the Communist / Socialist contemporaries of my generation held similar views; that neither US Imperialism, nor Eastern European Communism were admirable or were "solutions" to economic hell on earth. Russia and Eastern Europe have now been transformed from oppressive police states into an alliance between the governments and organised crime.

The real breakthrough for criminal organizations (in Russia) occurred during the economic disaster and mass emigration of the 1990s that followed the fall of the Soviet Union. Desperate for money, many former government workers turned to crime, others joined the large numbers of Soviet citizens who moved overseas primarily to the United States and the Mafia became a natural extension of this trend. Former KGB agents, sportsmen and veterans of the Afghan and Chechen Wars, now finding themselves out-of-work but with experience in areas which could prove useful in crime, joined the increasing crime wave.......

Backed by its extensive connection to the apparatchik (аппаратчик) power network of the Soviet Union, between 1992 and 1994 the Russian Mafia targeted the commercial centers of power, seizing control of the nation’s fragile banking system. At first the criminal gangs were content to merely “park” their large cash holdings in legitimate institutions, but soon they realized that the next step was the easiest of all: direct ownership of the bank itself.

One of the ways the Mafia got so much power was that after the breakup of the union, many state-owned industries were privatized.........the privatization backfired and rather than leading to widespread, but private-sector public ownership, instead led to ownership by an elite cabal of criminals.

en.metapedia.org...

..... top Russian public officials openly acknowledge the problem of the organized crime takeover of the Russian economy. For example, Russian Minister of Internal Security Kulikov, publicly admitted to seeing no solution to the problem of mafia control of the Russian banks but the re-nationalization of privately owned banks. Major Gromov of the Russian Tax Police told a September 19, 1994, Conference of the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FINCEN) that "almost all Russian banks are corrupt."
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CIA Director John Deutch testified in 1996, that, " ... corrupt officials supply the crime syndicates with export licenses, customs clearances, tax exemptions and government contracts .... Officials of law enforcement and security services provide criminals with protection from arrest and prosecution."

Testifying before the House Foreign Relations Committee on October 10, 1997, Mr. Freeh stated that at the present time "... the majority of [the Russian] banks are controlled by organized crime" His testimony was corroborated by Arnaud de Borchgrave of CSIS who gave evidence that two thirds of the Russian economy is "under the sway of organized crime" including most of its 1.740 banks; and by Giovanni de Gennaro, Deputy Director of the Italian National Police, who testified that the "Italian organized mafia figures [have been] investing money, operating in St. Petersburg banks." In June of 1993, the St. Petersburg branch chief Inkombank, Boris Yakubovich, was killed execution style, for resisting the mob's takeover of that major Russian bank.

www.russianlaw.org...

It is not without good reason that the former Russian President Yeltsin referred to Russia as "The biggest mafia state in the world, the super power of crime that is devouring the state from top to bottom."

In Russia the organised crime is entirely entwined with the police, the military, the judiciary, the government and the banks; it is essentially a criminal state. Since this is the "secret societies" forum and "all" crime syndicates are essentially hierarchical secret societies, and "Freemasonry" is the main subject here; it seems to me that in the UK it is the Freemasons who are the British equivalent of the Russian Mafia and who have entwined themselves with the police, the government and "especially" the banking community; however since they have done so over many generations they are now the "respectable" face of Capitalism, whose children are more likely to be highly educated and sitting in an office in the City of London, than a football hooligan type "gangster," involved in petty crime.

Personally I have never "experienced" life in economic hell, but having travelled throughout much of the Third World, it seems to me that the Capitalist system creates economic hell for the vast majority of people on earth. Personally, in the past, I worked for the Israelis for many years, and my own particular political ideology has much more in common with the Israeli Communists than with the Stalinists and Marxists; Israeli Communism is simply Kibbutzism which is a form of syndicalism (some kibbutzim are agricultural, while others manufacture arms, for example) and which produces the highest standard of living of any of the Communist models, albeit a collectivist system which exists within the Capitalist system.

Of course, if one took a person who was an economic elite or economic "slave-master" from the Capitalist models of Beverly Hills or Hampstead and placed them in a Communist collective, they would probably not be very happy at the loss of their wealth; however that is not the point of collectivist revolution; the point is the economic liberation of the world, and this is a world of 7 billion people; most of whom are little more than economic slaves or sex slaves.

If one considers the rather small "middle class" of Africa, India, or the Third World in general, mostly what they seem to want is a comfortable home and the abundance of food; and yet they are surrounded by an ocean of the human misery and poverty of persons who have to toil their entire lives just to barely eat and to live in dire poverty, in a world where with modern agricultural techniques such as the hydroponic and poly house desert farming techniques perfected by the Israelis and the Saudis, it has been estimated that the abundance of food for our 7 billion brothers and sisters could be produced in a tiny corner of the Sahara desert the size of Texas.

Capitalist Genocide Food as a Capitalist Commodity.

If we set aside the millions of lives destroyed and impoverished by US Imperialism and their wars and military coups in the 20th and 21st centuries, the main cause of genocide in Capitalism is the use of a "food" as a Capitalist commodity. Probably most people on this forum are living in the First World Capitalist states where the recent rapid increase in world food prices and the doubling of the price of wheat in the past year, will not affect us very much, but this will have genocidal consequences in a world where it has been estimated that there are usually around 200 million people on the verge of starvation and where over 20.000 children die each day from the effects of poverty.

There are very simple solutions to the problems of the extreme poverty which effects the lives of billions of people, and this is agricultural collectivism. This is of course "Satanism" to the Christians, the anti-Communists and the devotees of the god of Capitalism, but it is also a solution opposed by the proponents of political agnosticism; the political agnostics are thus not innocent of the blood of the victims of militant and genocidal Capitalism.

Critique and Counterproposal.

Certainly the uselessness of the Left / Right paradigm is relevant when one considers the major political parties of the Capitalist First World, since both sides are generally in submission to the International Dictatorship of Capitalism, and neither side proposes radical change, and this has traditionally been a critique proposed by the Communist left and which has now been integrated into modern conspiracy-theory-ism. However, when the political agnostic is asked what their alternative to forms of Capitalism and Communism is, they generally do not have any counterproposal; they are simply Nihilists who criticise all political ideologies and who have no political ideology of their own; they are "against" all political solutions, and when asked what they are "for" they are not "for" anything; it is simply an ideology of malevolence; it is the ideology of the child throwing all his toys out of the pram, and it is every bit as dangerous as the worst kinds of Capitalism and Communism; it is the ideology of the imbecile, and they have absolutely no moral high ground at all.

Lucifer
The Final Revolutionary War of Economic Salvation and the non-miraculous feeding of the 7 billion.

"We must carry the war into every corner the enemy happens to carry it, to his home, to his centers of entertainment: a total war. It is necessary to prevent him from having a moment of peace, a quiet moment outside his barracks or even inside; we must attack him wherever he may be, make him feel like a cornered beast wherever he may move. Then his moral fiber shall begin to decline, but we shall notice how the signs of decadence begin to disappear.".....Che Guevara

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Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by Lucifer777

 

Hey Lucifer, who to you isn’t a genocidal fascist?
Are the girl scouts okay?

Every American and European Socialist, Communist, Anarchist or opponent of the "International Dictatorship of Capitalism" lives in the Capitalist system and has to survive in that system which necessitates the generation of Capital; that does not make a person an "Ideological Capitalist." Capitalism is an economic dictatorship which most anti-Capitalists have to live in.



"On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country." Boy Scout Oath.

With regards to the girl guides, which is an offshoot of the boy scouts etc., yes of course I consider them to be diabolical Neofascist organisations which are the Capitalist equivalent of the "Hitler Youth" and which indoctrinate children with both Christian and Capitalist values; they are pseudo-military orders for children which seek to produce obedient Nationalists and religious fanatics; perfect fodder for "army grunts" to promote genocidal US state terrorism in the name of "God."

Of course one cannot fulfill a "duty" to a being (i.e., God) who is totally non apparent to the 5 senses; thus this "gap" is filled by the ramblings of religious fanatics; thus obedience to "God" is no more than obedience to the fanatics of religion.

I would have no objection to the young girls "selling" items in the Capitalist economy door to door, such as "cookies" or copies of the SWP (Socialist Worker's Party) newspaper, but to raise funds for an anti-Communist, Neofascist, children's pseudo-military order of religious fanatics I find to be diabolical.

en.wikipedia.org...

The Boy Scouts of America (BSA), one of the largest private youth organizations in the United States, has policies which prohibit atheists and agnostics from membership in its Scouting program, and prohibit "avowed" homosexual people from leadership roles in its Scouting program as directly violating its fundamental principles and tenets. BSA has denied or revoked membership status or leadership positions of youths and adults for violation of these foundational principles.
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Position on atheists and agnostics. The Boy Scouts of America's position is that atheists and agnostics cannot participate as Scouts (youth members) or Scouters (adult leaders) in its traditional Scouting programs. According to the Bylaws of the BSA, Declaration of Religious Principle:

"The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. In the first part of the Scout Oath or Promise the member declares, ‘On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law.’ The recognition of God as the ruling and leading power in the universe and the grateful acknowledgment of His favors and blessings are necessary to the best type of citizenship and are wholesome precepts in the education of the growing members."...

The American Heritage Girls is a Christian Scouting organization that provides an alternative to the Girl Scouts of the USA (GSUSA). American Heritage Girls' policies on homosexuals and atheists are similar to those held by the BSA. ....

The BSA agreed in 2005 to transfer all charters it had issued to governmental entities to private entities in response to a request from the ACLU. Previously, about 400 Scouting units had been sponsored by U.S. military bases and over 10,000 by other governmental entities, primarily public schools.
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The U.S. Army gives the BSA special access to a base, Fort A.P. Hill, for its national Scout jamboree and the U.S. Department of Defense spends approximately $2 million per year in taxpayer funds to assist the BSA in staging it....
The Secular Coalition for America has urged Congress to revoke the federal charter of the BSA, stating: "Our government must not entangle itself in religious organizations; nor should it establish, with government imprimatur, a private religious club."
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Eagle Scout filmmaker Steven Spielberg had been a long-time supporter of Scouting, depicting a young Indiana Jones as a Boy Scout in the 1989 film Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade and helping to create the Cinematography merit badge. Spielberg resigned from the BSA Advisory Council in 2001, saying, "it has deeply saddened me to see the Boy Scouts of America actively and publicly participating in discrimination."
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In January 2009, the American Humanist Association and eighteen other nontheistic organizations sent an open letter to then President-Elect Obama urging him not to serve as the Boy Scouts' honorary president because of the Scouts' positions on religion

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Eagle Scout Hans Zeiger, author of Get Off My Honor: The Assault on the Boy Scouts of America, told the Washington Times, "Scouts' honor is under attack in American culture". Zeiger applauds what he sees as the BSA's courage in resisting political pressure, saying, "Regardless of what leads to homosexuality, it is a thing that has an agenda in our society and is very harmful to the traditional family and is causing a tremendous amount of harm to young men. The Boy Scouts are one of the few organizations that have the moral sense to stand against the homosexual agenda".

Lucifer

Lol a satanic communist criticizing Freemasonry. While he does expose some good stuff about them, he is no better then them either. Freemasonry is Communism, Lenin was a Freemason belonging to the Art et Travail lodge and so were many of the Bolsheviks. That is why in World War 2 the US and British who both were controlled by Freemasons Roosevelt and Churchill, aided the communists, then allowed them to capture Eastern Europe at the end of the war. Communists celebrate May 1st, the same day Adam Weishaupt founded the Illuminati and took over Freemasonry. Freemasonry/Illuminati works through both communism and capitalism to advance their goals of World domination. The biggest capitalists, the bankers and robber barons like Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Schiff, Armand Hammer, funded communism.

Originally posted by Unilluminist
Lol a satanic communist criticizing Freemasonry. While he does expose some good stuff about them, he is no better then them either. Freemasonry is Communism, Lenin was a Freemason belonging to the Art et Travail lodge and so were many of the Bolsheviks. That is why in World War 2 the US and British who both were controlled by Freemasons Roosevelt and Churchill, aided the communists, then allowed them to capture Eastern Europe at the end of the war. Communists celebrate May 1st, the same day Adam Weishaupt founded the Illuminati and took over Freemasonry. Freemasonry/Illuminati works through both communism and capitalism to advance their goals of World domination. The biggest capitalists, the bankers and robber barons like Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Schiff, Armand Hammer, funded communism.

You've been reading too much Henry Makow. The Freemasons are not Communists but ideological Capitalists and anti-Communists who have more in common with "Ksigmason (who admits to belonging to the world's leading terrorist and narcotics trafficking organisation, the US miltiary)" here than with Lenin.

Admittedly there were numerous Freemasons in the past who held radical political views and who opposed the dictatorship of Capitalism. Lenin has been "accused" by conspiracy theorists of belonging to the "Art et Travail lodge" but I find no evidence to support this. Many of the French Masonic lodges had a reputation for producing political radicals, and I would not think any less of Lenin were "evidence (rather than allegations)" to emerge that he was a Freemason; it was a popular organisation of it's era, but today has become little more than a Capitalist gang. The leap from "some Freemasons have been Masons" to "All Communists are Masons" or your "Freemasonry is Communism" is the same kind of argument as "Hitler and Stalin had moustaches; therefore all persons with moustaches are mass murderers."

With regards to being a "Satanic Communist" I plead guilty, but the Freemasons are innocent of Satanism and along with the Christian vermin are guilty of the diabolical crime of revering that monstrous Capitalist Devil whom they refer to as "God."

As to "Word Domination;" the point of Communist Revolution is the liberation of humankind from the domination and esnalvement of the "Dictatorship of Capitalism," and the salvation of the human soul (i.e., the mind) from the domination of the priesthood of religion and the awakening from the effects of religious hypnosis and indoctrination; it is essentially also about the eradication of God and the "men of God," and the Freemasons are one of many cults who are afflicted with the God disease.

Allegedly the body and souls of the Masonic cultists already anyway belong to my father (the Devil) to humiliate and do with as he pleases for his eternal entertainment as his playthings; I have no desire to "dominate them;" their God (the devil of Capitalism) is welcome to these Capitalist devils for his eternal dominion.

Lucifer
Caeli enarrant gloriam Lucis

i propose this , if you think there so evil , which they aren't because evil only exist inside manifestation which is a veil to the real reality of energy the soul and consciousness, why don't you just join a lodge lodge and see for yourself, i mean you can't judge something properly if you haven't experienced it as i said above.

Originally posted by Christophorus0
i propose this , if you think there so evil , which they aren't because evil only exist inside manifestation which is a veil to the real reality of energy the soul and consciousness,

I don't know if English is your first language or not, but that statement makes no sense whatsoever. It is always better to try to express things as simply as possible.

why don't you just join a lodge lodge and see for yourself, i mean you can't judge something properly if you haven't experienced it as i said above.

"On The Study of Religion"

Lucifer.
Blasphemy, Heresy, War, Revolution, etc.



I have a graduate degree in "Theological and Religious Studies" and a post-grad in "Education;" my secondary graduate subject was "History." I was for many years a "perpetual student," so there were a number of other studies I embarked on also. I would probably define my "specialist" academic field as "Psychology of Religion," but I have never been a "professional" academic, I was always a "professional" Capitalist.

I do not work in the education industry, but my academic qualifications are as a "teacher of religion," however bear in mind that there are many persons with the same qualifications who are atheists, Marxists, anti-religionists and persons who are members of no religion whatsoever; it is purely an "academic study."

Just as a academic psychologists who specialise in "Psychology of Religion (i.e., the study of religious hypnosis and indoctrination)" they do not necessarily need to attempt to hypnotise and indoctrinate others, or to join a religion and attempt to be hypnotised and indoctrinated to understand this subject and the techniques involved; it is anyway near impossible to hypnotise a hypnotist, or to hypnotise and indoctrinate a person who is familiar with the techniques of religious hypnosis and indoctrination.

In the academic fields of the "Study of Religion" and "Psychology of Religion" if a person is actually a member of a particular religion, they tend to lose respect in the academic world and are considered to have lost objectivitity.

I have attended in my life, purely from the perspective of "studying religion," numerous forms of religious worship in the Neopagan, Christian, Sikh, Hindu, Islamic and NRM (New Religious Movement) worlds, both in the Western world and also in the Islamic nations, Africa and Asia. Unfortunately religious hypnosis and indoctrination has no effect on me whatsoever; I simply find it ridiculous and tend to become enraged.

When studying a religion one must always consider the propaganda of the religious cultists themselves, their stated beliefs, their sects (sections; and in the case of Freemasonry, the numerous different regular and irregular Masonic franchises), what they say about themselves, their behaviour and lifestyle, their political and economic philosophy, their definition of God or the gods (i.e., their theology), their rituals, the effect of the cultists on society, their techniques of religious hypnosis and indoctrination, the history of the cult, etc., etc.

It is simply not possible for the scholar (perpetual student) of religion to pretend to join every religion and every sect of every religion in order to understand religion, nor is it necessary, nor is it even advisable.

On this forum, I tend to discuss Freemasonry, but I can assure you that in common with most Neomarxists and Anarchists, I am equally as hostile to Islam, Christianity, Hinduism and to most NRM's, and that on Christian forums, I am evangelically anti-Christian, though on on Islamic forums, I have had a different disguise, but only because there is a war between Islamic and Christianity (they are both Capitalist vermin essentially) and I seek to promote mutual hostility.

I probably have more in common with the Masons than with the acolytes of most cult religions, since my father is a lifelong Freemason, and I am a product of that culture; were I born to an Islamic culture I would probably see the world very differently. Were I born in an Islamic culture I would not need to join an Islamic cult to understand it; similarly I don't feel that I need to join a Masonic lodge to understand Masonic culture; though I will never have the same perception of Masonry as a hypnotised and indoctrinated Masonic cultist, just as I will never have the same perception of Islam or Christianty as a hypnotised and indoctrinated Muslim or Christian. If I want to know anything about Freemasony that I do not already know, I can always ask my father, just as a Muslim son can ask his father about Islam; but my father and I do not speak of such matters, since I know him too well..

Ultimately, from a Scottish perspective, I think that the older and wiser lifelong Scottish Masons are not really "hypnotised" at all; they are all too aware that they are just members of a Capitalist gang, and they are referred to as the "Scottish Mafia" for good reason.

I am 52 years old and my father is almost 90 years old. We are both retired from the Capitalist system, and he is no longer active in either Captialism or Freemasonry; nor does he need to be; Captialism has worked very well for us.

I have spent too many years as a Capitalist exploiting Africa and the Third World; it is my shame, but I suppose that it was a lesson I had to learn. Being an economic slavemaster was wonderful for me; it was not very good for the economic slaves however. So, about 12 years ago I had a "road to Damascus period" and had an intellectual conversion to Communism and I have decided to spend the rest of my life in penance; it is not because I am innocent, but because I am guilty.

Lucifer

reply to post by Lucifer777

I think you missed my point entirely and assumed that I was speaking about nihilism as the answer. I said no such thing. What I am saying is that we need a completely new type of governing system that upholds all sacred laws of balance and equality. Remove money as it doesn't exist anyway and care for the entire earth and it's people. It is radical and would require most likely a catastrophic event that would destroy what exists today.

Ultimately remove greed, power and dominance from the equation and actually govern with the highest principles of life and our responsibility to all life and our one and only planet. If you haven't noticed all governing systems in this world are insanely corrupt. As long as something like money is in the mix it will fuel the ego and it's dark desires which inevitably breeds the very horrors that we have today. Our world is not only on the brink of collapse but it is dying.

Originally posted by RufusDriftwood
it would be interesting to know your views on the Jack The Ripper murders since the above description so fits the mutilations carried out on the numerous prostitutes in Whitechapel in 1888.

Actually, it doesn't at all. The Whitechapel murders have no consistent pattern of mutilation, and none are disemboweled except as part of a larger dismemberment. Most retained their intact faces.

reply to post by Lucifer777


Your 'father' is a Freemason? You mean the sperm donor or the devil?

Not being facetious, you just referred to the 'devil' as your father earlier.

Also, I don't suppose you'd want to try and post to the thread from Communist China or Communist North Korea?

reply to post by Lucifer777


While i disagree with your take on the God of the bible and also believe uncorrupted capitalism is far better then any sort of communism i do feel the two biggest threats to the United States is the Federal Reserve and the Military–industrial complex both should be torn down and a new system put in there place....


The Military–industrial complex has done horrible things from giving syphilis to Guatemalans on purpose to test out vaccines to MK-Ultra to now using direct energy weapons to hint hint test for mind control *cough cough* i mean riot control to another ten thousand black ops programs we aren't even aware of yet, it's a hideous organization that needs to be torn down and replaced with something more humane, there's a reason that former United States president Dwight D. Eisenhower warned people about it at his farewell address to the nation and you would think some one who was so highly respected in the militray warning of such things would get peoples attention but nope they chose to ignore it....


As far as the Federal Reserve well if that is torn down and a new monetary system is put in its place the right kind of capitalism would prosper you know the kind of capitalism that defined the word...

i don't see how your education , you and your dad's past corrupt action's qualify you to judge the masonic mysteries or any mystery school in general. look in into yourself for problem's, for penance is not in the act of disdain for fellow brother .

Jesus said, "It’s not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth."

and yes English is my primary language.

Originally posted by emsed1
reply to post by Lucifer777

 

Your 'father' is a Freemason? You mean the sperm donor or the devil?

Not being facetious, you just referred to the 'devil' as your father earlier.

I was being "satirical." The fictional Jesus of the Gospels referred to his opponents being of their "Father the Devil," so obviously as an evangelical anti-Christian, I wish to reinforce the myth that the enemies of that vile religion are of their "father the Devil."

Also, I don't suppose you'd want to try and post to the thread from Communist China or Communist North Korea?

If you believe in Capitalism so much, why don't you emigrate to the Sudan, the Ivorty Coast, or get yourself a corrugated tin shack in Soweto, or perhaps sell your mother and your children into a life of sex slavery in some Cambodian brothel? Clearly the ideological defenders of economic slavery defend Capitalism because they always want to be economic slavemasters, not slaves.

Similarly I do not propose Chinese or North Korean forms of Communism.

Lux

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Originally posted by Egyptia
reply to post by Lucifer777

 

I think you missed my point entirely and assumed that I was speaking about nihilism as the answer. I said no such thing. What I am saying is that we need a completely new type of governing system that upholds all sacred laws of balance and equality. Remove money as it doesn't exist anyway and care for the entire earth and it's people. It is radical and would require most likely a catastrophic event that would destroy what exists today.

Ultimately remove greed, power and dominance from the equation and actually govern with the highest principles of life and our responsibility to all life and our one and only planet. If you haven't noticed all governing systems in this world are insanely corrupt. As long as something like money is in the mix it will fuel the ego and it's dark desires which inevitably breeds the very horrors that we have today. Our world is not only on the brink of collapse but it is dying.

OK well since you have now stated what your are "for" rather than just expressing the usual anti-Capitalist, anti-Communist Nihilism, let me retract the allegation that you are an anti-Capitalist, anti-Communist Nihilist, however the term "political Nihilist" does apply to most anti-Capitalist-anti-Communists.

"A world without money."

I should point out that many Anarcho-Communists, don't consider the Marxists to be true "Communists," but rather "State Capitalists;" whereas Anarcho-Communists seek the total eradication of the monetary system, including Marxist forms of "state Capitalism (i.e., nationalised banking)." Ultimately "Communism derives from the French "communare (i.e., to share)" and sharing-ism seems to be almost impossible with any kind of ruling elite, who generally have a habit of turning Communist systems into a tyrannical verion of Animal Farm.

Essentially the eradication of monetarism "is" the ultimate objective of the Communists; forms of rationing and state Capitalism are allegedly only interm solutions for the Marxists, however they have had a habit of remaining permanent, and Communists states have not "withered away" into stateless, moneyless Communism, but into gangster Capitalism and the rule of organised crime.

Since you propose the existence of a government "and" a moneyless system, this could appear to be a form of "Communism;" however in a society with millions of people, you would have to have some form of "rationing." For example in Cuba, every person pays around one US dollar per month for their food rations. However there have also been numerous societies throughout human history which have been essentially "non-monetarist" and which could be defined as "slave societies." Eradicating money does not necessarily mean the eradication of slavery.

Unfortunately I think that whatever kind of system exists, if there is a "government" there is always the possibility of corruption; never the less in a revolutionary environment, since most of the population are conditioned by the selfishness of Capitalism, the eradication of government could lead to the rule of organised crime gangs, such as what happened in Russia after the fall of the Soviets, where the government is essentially a partnership with organised crime.

Systems such as the Israeli Communist system (kibbutzim) took many decades to develop, and the children raised in that environment were indoctrinated since birth to have socialist attitudes; one cannot expect an overnight transformation into that kind of ideal form of Communism with large societies who have been indoctrinated by Capitalism. Thus I have come to take more of a Neomarxist view recently that in future revolutions, since a revolution is a "war" essentially and not an ideal state perhaps "some" form of limited governance might be necessary, since militant Capitalists tend to organised in gangs, and in a "war" situation they would have to be eradicated, and I cannot forsee how militant Capitalists could be "peacefully" eradicated, just as the "Russian Mafia" for example would be unlikely to be peacefully eradicated.

Lux




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Originally posted by King Seesar
reply to post by Lucifer777

 

While i disagree with your take on the God of the bible

The Biblical definition of a deity is that of a primitive, savage, blood sacrifice cultists, tribalistic (which is worse than "racist") Bronze Age tribal deity which sanctions the genocide of competing cultists and tribes and sanctions slavery, sex slavery, polygamy (the purchase of as many sex slaves as a male can afford), paternalism (male supremacy), homophobia, misogyny, tyranny and gang rape (of captive female slaves).

In my judgement anyone who is willing to accept such a definition of "absolute goodness" is morally subhuman and unworthy of life. I do of course realise that many persons are simply victims of a lifetime of religious hypnosis and indoctrination, just as members of the Hitler Youth were, however I consider it innapropriate to show compassion or mercy to such militant religious fanatics.

and also believe uncorrupted capitalism is far better then any sort of communism i do feel the two biggest threats to the United States is the Federal Reserve and the Military–industrial complex both should be torn down and a new system put in there place....

OK so you are a "reformist Capitalist;" I can at least accept state Capitalism (the nationalising of banking) and opposition to the "military-industrial" complex as "progressive;" such opposition is common throughout the "conspiracy theory" movement and it is very much the "Alex Jones" position. However I can assure you that since "banking" and "money creation" are the "ultimate" forms of Capitalism (which is why the Russian Mafia took over all the Russian banks), that eradicating private banking would in all probability require total militancy, since the banking Mafia would not give up without a fight and any government which attempted to nationalise banking and intorduce state Capitalism would find itself on the receiving end of assassinations. Further since in the UK, private banking is a major vocation of the British Mafia (i.e., the Freemasons); you would find yourselves at odd with most of your Masonic bretheren.

The Military–industrial complex has done horrible things from giving syphilis to Guatemalans on purpose to test out vaccines to MK-Ultra to now using direct energy weapons to hint hint test for mind control *cough cough* i mean riot control to another ten thousand black ops programs we aren't even aware of yet, it's a hideous organization that needs to be torn down and replaced with something more humane, there's a reason that former United States president Dwight D. Eisenhower warned people about it at his farewell address to the nation and you would think some one who was so highly respected in the militray warning of such things would get peoples attention but nope they chose to ignore it. As far as the Federal Reserve well if that is torn down and a new monetary system is put in its place the right kind of capitalism would prosper you know the kind of capitalism that defined the word...[

OK so we have at least one Freemason here who seeks the radical reformation of Capitalism and the intorduction of State Capitalism (the nationalisation of the money supply); unfortunately I think that you would be at odds with most of your fraternity, and the "old guard" of Masons who are essentially conservative Capitalists would probably consider you to be (almost) as bad as the Communists. I would have to defend you as at least being progressive in a kind of "Alex Jones / Ron Paul" way, though certainly not progressive or radical enough.

Lucifer

a communist like society, can only work, if humans deprogrammed the ego structure, and rid themselves of all carnal desire's.

"in short weather it be monarchy, capitalism or communism which ever strive for power and leadership has been spiritually influenced by the sun hierarchies during the dark age, and now represents the male materialistic forces"

this age will soon be over and a new golden age will emerge, and in this age man will see his brother as himself.

Originally posted by Christophorus0
a communist like society, can only work, if humans deprogrammed the ego structure, and rid themselves of all carnal desire's.

Certainly a Communist society could only produce a more perfect society if all persons in that society were ideologicall Communist and had socialist values, however this has nothing to do with ridding onseself of "carnal ("1. Relating to the physical and especially sexual appetites: carnal desire. 2. Worldly or earthly; temporal: the carnal world. 3. Of or relating to the body or flesh; bodily:") desires."

This Gnostic idea that your body is somehow evil, and that persons who are human-hating and "human-nature-hating" are somehow "holy" is an utterly diabolical idea, and it is an important aspect of religious hypnosis and indoctrination; it produces a person who considers human nature (and indeed even the nature of the animal kingdom) to be somehow "evil;" such "Gnostics" would have to be purged from the world in order to create heaven on earth; thus the eradication of such human-nature-hating religious fanatics is essential to Communist revolution, for the terms "Communism (lit., to share)" has both economic and erotic implications .

We are "carnal" beings; this should not be confused with the selfishness of an economic slavemaster, a football hooligan, a tyrant or a playground bully however; we are ultimately all "social" creatures and seek to love and to be loved, and to live harmoniously in a society with other persons, and whose who reject such socialist principles and attitudes would tend to become either "outcasts" or "tyrants" and neither should be tolerated in a socialist society.

In the carnal sense we are all ultimately sexual communists (polyamorists) and happiness is not found by restricting natural desires, but by fullflling them, and this is the general ethos of the modern sexual revolution, which is awakening humnkind from Aeons of sex-slavery (including marriage) and misery.

Lux