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Originally posted by Christophorus0
ultimately it is desire of any type that will keep man from evolution of the consciousness,
Originally posted by Lucifer777
Originally posted by Christophorus0
a communist like society, can only work, if humans deprogrammed the ego structure, and rid themselves of all carnal desire's.
Certainly a Communist society could only produce a more perfect society if all persons in that society were ideologically Communist and had socialist values, however this has nothing to do with ridding onseself of "carnal ("1. Relating to the physical and especially sexual appetites: carnal desire. 2. Worldly or earthly; temporal: the carnal world. 3. Of or relating to the body or flesh; bodily:") desires."
This Gnostic idea that your body is somehow evil, and that persons who are human-hating and "human-nature-hating" are somehow "holy" is an utterly diabolical idea, and it is an important aspect of religious hypnosis and indoctrination; it produces a person who considers human nature (and indeed even the nature of the animal kingdom) to be somehow "evil;" such "Gnostics" would have to be purged from the world in order to create heaven on earth; thus the eradication of such human-nature-hating religious fanatics is essential to Communist revolution, for the terms "Communism (lit., to share)" has both economic and erotic implications .
We are "carnal" beings; this should not be confused with the selfishness of an economic slavemaster, a football hooligan, a tyrant or a playground bully however; we are ultimately all "social" creatures and seek to love and to be loved, and to live harmoniously in a society with other persons, and whose who reject such socialist principles and attitudes would tend to become either "outcasts" or "tyrants" and neither should be tolerated in a socialist society.
In the carnal sense we are all ultimately sexual communists (polyamorists) and happiness is not found by restricting natural desires, but by fullflling them, and this is the general ethos of the modern sexual revolution, which is awakening humnkind from Aeons of sex-slavery (including marriage) and misery.
Lux
On the Five Techniques of the Enslavement of Humankind.
OSHO
Sex is the most powerful instinct in man. The politician and the priest have understood from the very beginning that sex is the most driving energy in man. It has to be curtailed, it has to be cut. If man is allowed total Freedom in sex, then there will be no possibility to dominate him. To make a slave out of him will be impossible.
Have you not seen it being done? When you want a bull to be yoked to a cart, what do you do? You castrate him, you destroy his sex energy. And have you seen the difference between a bull and an ox? What a difference! An ox is a poor phenomenon, a slave. A bull is a beauty; a bull is a glorious phenomenon, a great splendour. See a bull walking, how he walks like an emperor! And see an ox pulling a cart.
The same has been done to man. The sex instinct has been curtailed, cut, crippled. Man does not exist as the bull now, he exists like the ox, and each man is pulling a thousand and one carts. Look and you will find behind you a thousand and one carts, and you are yoked to them.
Why can’t you yoke a bull? The bull is too powerful. If he sees a cow passing by, he will throw both you and the cart, and he will move to the cow! He will not bother a bit about who you are, and he will not listen. It will be impossible to control the bull. Sex energy is life energy; it is uncontrollable. And the politician and the priest are not interested in you, they are interested in channelling your energy into other directions. So there is a certain Mechanism behind it--it has to be understood.
Sex repression, tabooing sex, is the very foundation of human slavery. Man cannot be free unless sex is free. Man cannot be really free unless his sex energy is allowed natural growth.
These are the five tricks through which man has been turned into a slave, into an ugly phenomenon, a cripple.
The first is:
Keep man as weak as possible if you want to dominate him. If the priest wants to dominate you or the politician wants to dominate you, you have to be kept as weak as possible. And the best way to keep a man weak is not to give love total freedom. Love is nourishment..."
"...Second:
Keep man as ignorant and deluded as possible so that he can easily be deceived..."
"...The third secret:
Keep man as frightened as possible. And the sure way is not to allow him love, because love destroys fear--’love casteth out fear.’ When you are not in love you become more interested in security, in safety. When you are in love you are more interested in adventure, in exploration...."
"...The Fourth:
Keep man as miserable as possible--because a miserable man is confused, a miserable man has no self-worth, a miserable man is self-condemnatory, a miserable man feels that he must have done something wrong. A miserable man has no grounding--you can push him from here and there, he can be turned into driftwood very easily. And a miserable man is always ready to be commanded, to be ordered, to be disciplined, because he knows ’On my own I am simply miserable. Maybe somebody else can discipline my life.’ He is a ready victim."
"And the fifth:
Keep men as alienated from each other as possible, so that they cannot band together for some purpose of which the priest and the politician may not approve. Keep people separate from each other. Don’t allow them too much intimacy. When people are separate, lonely, alienated from each other, they cannot band together. And there are a thousand and one tricks to keep them apart.
For example, if you are holding the hand of a man--you are a man and you are holding the hand of a man and walking down the road, singing--you will feel guilty because people will start looking at you. Are you gay, homosexual or something? Two men are not allowed to be happy together. They are condemned as homosexuals. Fear arises. If your friend comes and takes your hand in his hand, you look around: ’Is somebody looking or not?’ And you are just in a hurry to drop the hand..."
because of your view's to act any pleasure as you please because you think it's natural is exactly why communism will never work, because people will always desire more then they need
Originally posted by Lucifer777
Well you have just restated essentially the point you have alreadly made, and rather than endlessly restating myself,
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Originally posted by King Seesar
reply to post by Lucifer777
You understand my point about the (MIC) Military–industrial complex and seem to understand what i consider real true capitalism but were your wrong is that i would have no problems with the Freemasons on a masonic level because i'm not a mason, i'm againts secret societies of any kind even tho i'm friends with some masons on here.
The reason true capitalism trumps true communism is because in theory true capitalism gives everyone a chance in life from freedom to monetary gains it's a more equal system with true communism you give up to many rights and in the end you only end up working for the man I.E the dictator running the system and he essentially decides how your life should be run, and no single man should ever have that kind of power you always end up with Hitler, Stalin, Genghis Khan ect ect ect ect and i could go on with the ect for ever on that one....
Anarcho-capitalism, in my opinion, is a doctrinal system which, if ever implemented, would lead to forms of tyranny and oppression that have few counterparts in human history. There isn't the slightest possibility that its (in my view, horrendous) ideas would be implemented, because they would quickly destroy any society that made this colossal error. The idea of "free contract" between the potentate and his starving subject is a sick joke, perhaps worth some moments in an academic seminar exploring the consequences of (in my view, absurd) ideas, but nowhere else.
Neom Chomsky
Originally posted by network dude
Originally posted by Lucifer777
Well you have just restated essentially the point you have alreadly made, and rather than endlessly restating myself,
Oh, that is rich. I guess the UK people are blessed with amazing humor as well as their amazing intelligence.
I think this may be one of the few posts where you have not repeated yourself over, and over, and over, and over again.
Marx exposed the secret collaboration of the British and Russian cabinets since the time of Peter the Great. In his writings against Lord Palmerston, Marx revealed that the continuation of this secret alliance was directed essentially against revolutionary movements throughout Europe. In fact, during the first sixty years of the 19th century, Russian diplomacy, the bastion of counter-revolution at that time, was involved in "all the conspiracies and uprisings" of the day, including the insurrectional secret societies such as the Carbonari, trying to manipulate them to its own ends (Engels: The Foreign Policy of Czarist Russia).
In 1922, in response to the French Communist Party's infiltration by elements belonging to freemasonry, who had gangrened the party since its foundation at the Tours Congress, the 4th Congress of the Communist International, in its "Resolution on the French question", reaffirmed class principles in the following terms:
"The incompatibility between freemasonry and socialism was considered to be evident in most of the parties of the Second International (...) If the Second Congress of the Communist International, in its conditions for joining the International, did not formulate a special point on the incompatibility between communism and freemasonry, it was because this principle found its place in a separate resolution unanimously voted by the Congress."
The fact, unexpectedly revealed at the Fourth Congress of the Communist International, that a considerable number of French communists belong to masonic lodges is, in the eyes of the Communist International, the most clear and at the same time the most pitiful proof that our French Party has conserved not only the psychological heritage of the epoch of reformism, of parliamentarism and patriotism, but also liaisons that are very concrete, very compromising for the leadership of the party, with the secret, political and careerist organisations of the radical bourgeoisie.
Originally posted by illuminazislayer
reply to post by Lucifer777
Freemasonry is a bad wound on the body of French communism. It should be burned with a hot iron.
-----Leon Trotsky
Communist leaders were always against freemasonry and other secret societies right from the inception of communism. They expressed their anger and sadness towards infiltration of elements of freemasonry in the communist movement.
en.internationalism.org...
Marx exposed the secret collaboration of the British and Russian cabinets since the time of Peter the Great. In his writings against Lord Palmerston, Marx revealed that the continuation of this secret alliance was directed essentially against revolutionary movements throughout Europe. In fact, during the first sixty years of the 19th century, Russian diplomacy, the bastion of counter-revolution at that time, was involved in "all the conspiracies and uprisings" of the day, including the insurrectional secret societies such as the Carbonari, trying to manipulate them to its own ends (Engels: The Foreign Policy of Czarist Russia).
In 1922, in response to the French Communist Party's infiltration by elements belonging to freemasonry, who had gangrened the party since its foundation at the Tours Congress, the 4th Congress of the Communist International, in its "Resolution on the French question", reaffirmed class principles in the following terms:
"The incompatibility between freemasonry and socialism was considered to be evident in most of the parties of the Second International (...) If the Second Congress of the Communist International, in its conditions for joining the International, did not formulate a special point on the incompatibility between communism and freemasonry, it was because this principle found its place in a separate resolution unanimously voted by the Congress."
The fact, unexpectedly revealed at the Fourth Congress of the Communist International, that a considerable number of French communists belong to masonic lodges is, in the eyes of the Communist International, the most clear and at the same time the most pitiful proof that our French Party has conserved not only the psychological heritage of the epoch of reformism, of parliamentarism and patriotism, but also liaisons that are very concrete, very compromising for the leadership of the party, with the secret, political and careerist organisations of the radical bourgeoisie.
The goal of freemasonry has always been to infiltrate any movement that is against capitalism and its cruelties, because economic class system is what masonic bankers want.
"the Jewish Freemason pyramid controls 80% of the economy of the capitalist countries and 90-95 per cent of the information media." ---- Professor Valeri Yemelyanov.
Communism aims at equal distribution of resources among the people, so in that type of system their will be no rich and poor. But sadly the communist movement has been subverted and maligned by occult secret societies, and now it is in their hands. But, I still think communist ideologies if properly implemented without the intervention of masonic and other gangs, can destroy the hegemony of the ruling capitalist class and has the potential of bringing peace and prosperity in the world.
Originally posted by King Seesar
reply to post by Lucifer777
You hit on my version of what i meant be true capitalism in the way you phrased Ron Pauls ideals, i'm in the similar mind set of the conclusion Ron Paul comes to in terms of how government should be ran....
When you broke down the stereo type of true capitalism and true communism in the picture of the heavy set kid and the starving kid i see even in that sense stereo type capitalism trumps stereo type communism because the heavy set kid could lose the weight were the starving kid is just gonna die....
Libertarian socialism
Libertarian socialism promotes a non-hierarchical, non-bureaucratic, stateless society without private property in the means of production. Libertarian socialism promotes free association in place of government. Its adherents oppose what they view as the coercive social relations of capitalism, such as wage labour. The term "libertarian socialism" is used by adherents to differentiate their politics from state socialism, or as a synonym for socialist anarchism.
Libertarian socialists assert that a society based on freedom and equality can be achieved through abolishing authoritarian control of the means of production. Libertarian socialists generally place their hopes in decentralized means of direct democracy such as municipalities, citizens' assemblies, trade unions and workers' councils.
Libertarian socialism includes most varieties of anarchism (especially anarchist communism, anarchist collectivism, anarcho-syndicalism, mutualism and social ecology) as well as some varieties of Marxism (such as autonomism and council communism), and some versions of individualist anarchism. Some varieties of Fabianism and socialist social-democracy, which do not immediately or absolutely seek stateless societies or the abolition of capitalism, are libertarian socialist.
Anarcho-capitalism.
Anarcho-capitalism (also known as "libertarian anarchy" or "market anarchism" or "free market anarchism" is a libertarian and an individualist anarchist political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state and the provision of its services through the free market. In an anarcho-capitalist society, law enforcement, courts, and all other security services are provided by voluntarily funded competitors such as private defence agencies rather than through compulsory taxation. Anarcho-capitalism has been described as a radical form of libertarianism.
en.wikipedia.org...
Capitalism is ruled by Capitalists, not by Jews or Masons, though some Capitalists are Jewish and some are Masons. The modern Jewish people, especially among the youth who will be the future legacy of the European Jews, tend to be highly educated and are more likely to be Socialists, Communists, Anarchists and secularists; they are more likely to revere modern Jewish prophets such as Marx, Trotsky and Noam Chomsky than primitive Bronze Age religious fanatics such as Moses.
Were i disagree with you pepsi78 is i don't think we should allow any type of socialism to enter into the picture when it comes to the United States, it's not the answer and just will cause more problems, what i think we need to do is reform the capitalist ideals that made capitalism so great in the first place....think America in the 50's and Japan in the 90's.....
Frankly the Castro and Guevara method would involve a military coup and the "firing squad" and frankly since the US military is so large, this would have genocidal consequences; however personally I cannot conceive of any other practical option.
Unfortunately I am sceptical as to whether the world's leading gangster Capitalists and the world's leading terrorist organisation (the US military) can simply be eradicated by "democratic" and "political means," and since they are militant criminals with a long history of genocidal state terrorism, assassinations and military coups, and are armed with weapons of mass destruction. I very much suspect it will require total warfare against America, and this is unlikely to succeed with conventional weaponry. Thus an apocalyptic "military" solution, rather that a purely political solution will almost certainly be required. This seems to be a conclusion which many among the major militant enemies of US imperialism have reached including the Communists and the Islamic religious fanatics, both of whom tend to predict global apocalyptic war, rather than "peaceful" revolution.
there needs to be five Vietnams