Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by Lucifer777
I will beat any price on salvation or double your money back in the afterlife plus 72 virgins.
In a previous post you were offering double the amount of virgins. Why are you gettting chincy now?
My apologies; I think that I have not been consuming enough Christian flesh and blood recently and sacrificing enough virgins; thus my responses have
been becoming less diabolical.
Please ignore the offer of the 72 virgins in the afterlife (which is what the Muslims offer); that should read "144 virgins," though this offer is
negotiable. If anyone is offered more than 144 virgins from any of my competitors in the multi-billion dollar religious market place, I will happily
increase the offer. Frankly I think that having to have sex with the same 144 virgins for all eternity would be rather boring; so it should be
considered to be merely an "introductory offer." I don't personally understand he fascination with virgins however; I would rather have 144
experienced older women, so if anyone shares my tastes, the offer can substituted with "non virgins." For those who are females, the offer would be
144 males, and for those who are from a GLBT background, either gender or both genders can be substituted.
For those who are Freemasons, I could substitute the offer of 144 "BDSM masters" who will humiliate you, beat you, apply electric shocks to your
genitals, apply whipped cream and strawberries to your genitals and put you through mock executions and various sexual humiliations (as allegedly
occurs in Masonic side degrees). For those of you Masons who are more "extreme" BDSM fetishists, I am quite sure that much more extreme tortures could
be considered and that various torturers trained by the "School of the Americas" and the CIA could be employed to devise much more diabolical
Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
On the Impotence of Pacifism.
Tolerating Muslims and Christians is much like tolerating Nazis; we are not speaking of a harmless belief, but militant and genocidal faiths and
systems of government (theocratic monarchy) which have contributed greatly to economic and social hell on earth, and to the enslavement of humankind.
These are simply savage, primitive and barbaric religions.
You make some very rash and dangerous statements........if i were you id be careful about condoning the eradication of people of any
religion..........i suppose that it wouldnt make you any better than those darn "Templars" during the crusades hmm? You contradict
I don't see any contradiction in my position; ideologically I am not a pacifist. Militant, genocidal ideologies and religions such as Capitalism,
Christianity and Islam will ultimately require a militant solution. Education and revolutionary propaganda (political education) may play a role in
combating such ideological and religious viruses, however this has a limited effect on the fanatics of Capitalism and religion, since not all can be
expected to be "saved" from the effects of a lifetime of religious and political indoctrination.
The texts of the Bible and the Koran portray a deity who is essentially a genocidal war god. As previously stated, I don't come to the same conclusion
about the Buddhists, despite not being a Buddhist myself and having some serious disagreements with Buddhists, as they promote "sins of restriction"
as virtues; further with regards to the Buddhist solution to the problems of economic hell on earth as that of the "Sanga," which is essentially a
Communist collective which produces nothing and exists through begging; I don't find this kind of primitivist Communism to be progressive; however
despite my disagreements with the kind of primitivist Communism promoted by Buddha, Buddhism is not a genocidal and militant faith. The genocides by
the Japanese Buddhists against the Chinese and the Koreans had nothing to do with Buddhism, whereas the Biblical and Islamic faiths are clearly
militant and genocidal faiths. You may feel that a pacifist response to such genocidal and militant faiths is appropriate, however I consider this to
be rather naive.
You do realize that you can make all the lengthy posts your heart desires..............bs. is still bs......
Contradiction and abuse is a poor excuse for argument and is usually the cry of the desperate in debtate. I try to write in short simplified essays
that almost anyone can understand who has basic English literacy skills; I do realise that most Americans are barely literate enough to read a
cornflakes packet and have 30 second attention spans (about the same time period as a McDonald's advert) and that such short essays my be considered
"too long" for them; however although I try to express myself as simply as possible, I do realise that even this may be too much for the majority of
the rather"dumbed down" and depoliticised proletariat.
Theres nothing in any of this that is even remotely close.........I love how people can site opinion as fact....
Opinions and judgements are not facts; they are a subjective analysis of fact. I don't think that I have a habit of expressing judgements and opinions
I guess hate will allow you to swallow any pill, no matter how large or bitter........
"Hatred as an element of the struggle; a relentless hatred of the enemy, impelling us over and beyond the natural limitations that man is heir to
and transforming him into an effective, violent, selective and cold killing machine. Our soldiers must be thus; a people without hatred cannot
vanquish a brutal enemy.
" ....Che Guevara (Message to the Tricontinental
Unfortunately hatred of one's enemies is an essential element of revolutionary propaganda; the idea of "loving one's enemies" is simply a ridiculous
idea anyway. The Christian / Capitalist manifestation of "loving one's enemies" is more likely to manifest in dropping depleted uranium on them and in
torture, genocide and economic enslavement.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
On the ideology of political Nihilism and Political Atheism
reply to post by Lucifer777
They give you the choice to vote for gun toting bible-thumping jackboot fascists or whiny-eyed tree-hugging money-stealing communists. Reject the
By "political atheism" the term is used metaphorically; it refers to such people as Gerald Celente who, despite being a rather insightful critic of
the abuses of Capitalism, describes him self as a "political atheist. unencumbered by political dogma or rigid ideology
;" though I think that
the term "political agnosticism" is probably more descriptive.
The proponents of this kind of ideology tend to try to suggest that their ideology of political agnosticism gives them a "moral high ground," however
I consider this to be a rather "confused" ideology; it is of course probably just a statement of honesty, since many people simply do not have "any"
counterproposal to the current economic hell on earth created by Capitalism. I suppose that it is better to be simply honest about the matter than to
fanatically promote a counterproposal which would provide no real practical solution, however political agnosticism is certainly the definition of "no
Having grown up in the 1960's in Europe, it did seem to me that most of my generation in Eastern Europe just wanted a pair of Levi jeans, to listen to
rock music and to emigrate to Western Europe from the repressive Communist police states of Eastern Europe. I most certainly have never admired the
East European form of repressive Communism, and most of the Communist / Socialist contemporaries of my generation held similar views; that neither US
Imperialism, nor Eastern European Communism were admirable or were "solutions" to economic hell on earth. Russia and Eastern Europe have now been
transformed from oppressive police states into an alliance between the governments and organised crime.
The real breakthrough for criminal organizations (in Russia) occurred during the economic disaster and mass emigration of the 1990s that followed the
fall of the Soviet Union. Desperate for money, many former government workers turned to crime, others joined the large numbers of Soviet citizens who
moved overseas primarily to the United States and the Mafia became a natural extension of this trend. Former KGB agents, sportsmen and veterans of the
Afghan and Chechen Wars, now finding themselves out-of-work but with experience in areas which could prove useful in crime, joined the increasing
Backed by its extensive connection to the apparatchik (аппаратчик) power network of the Soviet Union, between 1992 and 1994 the Russian
Mafia targeted the commercial centers of power, seizing control of the nation’s fragile banking system. At first the criminal gangs were content to
merely “park” their large cash holdings in legitimate institutions, but soon they realized that the next step was the easiest of all: direct
ownership of the bank itself.
One of the ways the Mafia got so much power was that after the breakup of the union, many state-owned industries were privatized.........the
privatization backfired and rather than leading to widespread, but private-sector public ownership, instead led to ownership by an elite cabal of
..... top Russian public officials openly acknowledge the problem of the organized crime takeover of the Russian economy. For example, Russian
Minister of Internal Security Kulikov, publicly admitted to seeing no solution to the problem of mafia control of the Russian banks but the
re-nationalization of privately owned banks. Major Gromov of the Russian Tax Police told a September 19, 1994, Conference of the Financial Crimes
Enforcement Network (FINCEN) that "almost all Russian banks are corrupt."
CIA Director John Deutch testified in 1996, that, " ... corrupt officials supply the crime syndicates with export licenses, customs clearances, tax
exemptions and government contracts .... Officials of law enforcement and security services provide criminals with protection from arrest and
Testifying before the House Foreign Relations Committee on October 10, 1997, Mr. Freeh stated that at the present time "... the majority of [the
Russian] banks are controlled by organized crime" His testimony was corroborated by Arnaud de Borchgrave of CSIS who gave evidence that two thirds of
the Russian economy is "under the sway of organized crime" including most of its 1.740 banks; and by Giovanni de Gennaro, Deputy Director of the
Italian National Police, who testified that the "Italian organized mafia figures [have been] investing money, operating in St. Petersburg banks." In
June of 1993, the St. Petersburg branch chief Inkombank, Boris Yakubovich, was killed execution style, for resisting the mob's takeover of that major
It is not without good reason that the former Russian President Yeltsin referred to Russia as "The biggest mafia state in the world, the super
power of crime that is devouring the state from top to bottom.
In Russia, organised crime is entirely entwined with the police, the military, the judiciary, the government and the banks; it is essentially a
criminal state. Since this is the "secret societies" forum and "all" crime syndicates are essentially hierarchical secret societies, and "Freemasonry"
is the main subject here, it seems to me that in the UK it is the Freemasons who are the British equivalent of the Russian Mafia and who have entwined
themselves with the police, the government and "especially" the banking community; however since they have done so over many generations they are now
the "respectable" face of Capitalism, whose children are more likely to be highly educated and sitting in an office in the City of London, than a
football hooligan type "gangster," involved in petty crime.
Personally I have never "experienced" life in economic hell, but having travelled throughout much of the Third World, it seems to me that the
Capitalist system creates economic hell for the vast majority of people on earth. Personally, in the past, I worked for the Israelis for many years,
and my own particular political ideology has much more in common with the Israeli Communists than with the Stalinists and Marxists; Israeli Communism
is simply Kibbutzism, which is a form of syndicalism (some kibbutzim are agricultural, while others manufacture arms, for example) and which produces
the highest standard of living of any of the Communist models, albeit a collectivist system which exists within the Capitalist system.
Of course, if one took a person who was an economic elite or economic "slave-master" from the Capitalist models of Beverly Hills or Hampstead and
placed them in a Communist collective, they would probably not be very happy at the loss of their wealth; however that is not the point of
collectivist revolution; the point is the economic liberation of the world, and this is a world of 7 billion people; most of whom are little more than
economic slaves or sex slaves.
If one considers the rather small "middle class" of Africa, India, or the Third World in general, mostly what they seem to want is a comfortable home
and the abundance of food; and yet they are surrounded by an ocean of the human misery and poverty of persons who have to toil their entire lives just
to barely eat and to live in dire poverty, in a world where with modern agricultural techniques such as the hydroponic and poly house desert farming
techniques perfected by the Israelis and the Saudis, it has been estimated that the abundance of food for our 7 billion brothers and sisters could be
produced in a tiny corner of the Sahara desert the size of Texas.
Capitalist Genocide Food as a Capitalist Commodity.
If we set aside the millions of lives destroyed and impoverished by US Imperialism and their wars and military coups in the 20th and 21st centuries,
the main cause of genocide in Capitalism is the use of a "food" as a Capitalist commodity. Probably most people on this forum are living in the First
World Capitalist states where the recent rapid increase in world food prices and the doubling of the price of wheat in the past year, will not affect
us very much, but this will have genocidal consequences in a world where it has been estimated that there are usually around 200 million people on the
verge of starvation and where over 20.000 children die each day from the effects of poverty.
There are very simple solutions to the problems of the extreme poverty which effects the lives of billions of people, and this is agricultural
collectivism. This is of course "Satanism" to the Christians, the anti-Communists and the devotees of the god of Capitalism, but it is also a solution
opposed by the proponents of political agnosticism; the political agnostics are thus not innocent of the blood of the victims of militant and
Critique and Counterproposal.
Certainly the uselessness of the Left / Right paradigm is relevant when one considers the major political parties of the Capitalist First World, since
both sides are generally in submission to the International Dictatorship of Capitalism, and neither side proposes radical change, and this has
traditionally been a critique proposed by the Communist Left and which has now been integrated into modern conspiracy-theory-ism. However, when the
political agnostic is asked what their alternative to forms of Capitalism and Communism is, they generally do not have any counterproposal; they are
simply Nihilists who criticise all political ideologies and who have no political ideology of their own; they are "against" all political solutions,
and when asked what they are "for" they are generally not "for" anything; it is simply an ideology of malevolence; it is the ideology of the child
throwing all his toys out of the pram, and it is every bit as dangerous as the worst kinds of Capitalism and Communism; it is the ideology of the
imbecile, and they have absolutely no moral high ground at all.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by Lucifer777
Your OP mentions genocide. I can tell you something about genocide. I`ll tell you a genuine secret. If you want to predict who is going to go on the
next spree of genocide or mass slaughter of human lives just look who hates the Freemasons.
Remember when Hitler shut down all masonic lodges?
Remember when Stalin suppressed freemasonry?
These two alone have the blood of hundreds of millions on their hands.
Look at which groups hate Freemasons today and you can predict which groups will be responsible for the next genocide.
Why is this?
Its because genocide is fueled by hate
If one considers the Cuban Revolution, Freemasonry was not outlawed, but after the revolution of 1959, it most certainly went into decline; in the
absence of a Capitalist system, the Freemasons there simply could not continue to exist as a Capitalist "gang" and it became just a rather silly cult
of old men with their silly rituals, though it has recently started to revive with the emergence of a dual Capitalist / state Capitalist system in
Cuba. I take a much more radical view, since Anarchists generally oppose the existance of "any" form of organised religion; however in the absence of
a Capitalist system, the Freemasons are no more a threat to humankind than any other organised religious cult.
I think that mostly the anti-Masons have been Christian conspiracy theorists who simply consider Masonry to be a competitor in the multi-billion
dollar religious cult market place, and for the Christians, the Masons are considered to have "false beliefs," while the various brand names of the
Jesus business consider themselves to have "true beliefs." I do not wish to take sides in the matter, other than to encourage mutual animosity between
these two competing groups of anti-Communists.
Clearly Capitalism is a militant ideology and the Cuba Communists did not take a "pacifist" approach to the pimps, bankers, casino operators and
Capitalist corporations who were running Cuba. Similarly today many of the older generation of Italians still revere fascists like Mussollini because
of his opposition to organised crime (i.e., the Italian Mafia); a revolution is not a "Tea Party," it is a war against militant enemies, and the
judicial process is thus supended; in war one does not put one's militant enemies on trial, one simply executes them.
have no objection to the small minority of Freemasons who are ideologically Communist or Anarchist (they are more common among the French Freemasons,
but almost non-existent in American and British Masonry); I really don't care about their silly rituals other than as a means to humiliate them; I
simply consider them to be an anti-Communist Capitalist gang which has Messianic religious cult elements, similar to the Russian and Italian Mafia.
And hate hates absolutely and cant stand people who go around with ideals of charity, benevolence. friendship, brotherhood.
Most Neonazis and Neofascists probably also love each other and have entwined humanitarian ideals around their rather nasty and genocidal political
ideology. Of course, to portray a militant, genocidal, Neofascist Capitalist gang of assorted loan sharking and state terrorist, narco-terrorist
collaborating vermin such as the Freemasons as primarily charitable, benevolent, friendly and brotherly is an argument which could be also made by the
propagandists of the Russian Mafia, or the proponents of just about any genocidal ideology or religion.
Remember when Hitler shut down all masonic lodges?
Remember when Stalin suppressed freemasonry?
These two alone have the blood of hundreds of millions on their hands.
Generally the ideological Capitalist or Nihilist will accuse all ideological Communists and Anarchists (almost all of whom are anti-Stalinists) of
being responsible for the evils of Stalinism, rather than accusing Stalin and the Stalinists themselves, and the anti-Capitalists will accuse the
ideological Capitalists and anti-Communists of being responsible for the blood of hundreds of millions of victims of the Capitalist system and their
numerous wars and military coups and untold human misery created by impoverishment and economic slavery, but the anti-Communist is usually comfortable
about that; they simply don't care as long their supermarkets are full (often with goods imported from the most impovished regions of the world); this
is not a debate which can be won by citing the statistics of Capitalist and Communist genocides and over who killed the most people and who continues
to kill the most people and create the most suffering and human enslavement.
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by Lucifer777
Their duty to protect pilgrims along the route to the Holy Land. They were not loan sharks, that's skewing and revising history for your personal
As with modern Masonic Knight's Templars, though the Knight's Templars hid behind the titles of a military and religious order, in the economic sense
the Templars were primarily loan sharks. If you gave them 16 ounces of sterling silver, they would give you a piece of paper which was a promissary
note for a pound of silver. They would lend these promissary notes out at interest. It is from this where the myth of the lost Templar gold probably
comes from; they did not have the power to create gold and precious metals, they simply had the power to issue paper money based on the belief that
they had sufficient precious metals to cover their paper promissary notes. It is probably because of the interest on such loans that Phillip the Fair
attempted to eradicate them from Europe. The alleged hoards of Templar gold were never discovered because I suspect that they did not exist; anyone
who can issue paper money at interest and demand that it be repaid not in paper but in precious metals is likely to aquire a great deal of precious
metals, but it is likely that their would be a great deal more paper in curculation that their supply of such precious metals.
And there there are those strange homo-erotic BDSM rituals, which the Templars were also accused of.
There was no BDSM accusations. There were charges of homosexual acts such as kissing, but in many opinions these charges were trumped up by the French
King in order to avoid paying a debt he owed them.
Phillip even attempted to embarrass Grand Master, Jacques DeMolay, but instead the GM recanted his confessions that were given during torture and
professed the innocence of the Order
From what I've read DeMolay lived for several minutes and from researching techniques of the time, the fire would not be at the base of the stake.
Instead the fire would be placed in a circle around the stake to create an oven effect where the body slowly cooks and burns. Starting at the feet and
moving on up the victim burns, and can take as long 15 minutes to die.
A fire at the base of the stake causes the victim to swallow the flame within a minute or so. The lungs and throat are burned; the throat closes and
the lungs fill with fluid. In the end, the victim suffocates long before he is severely burned. Death occurs very rapidly versus the one I spoke about
Well since the "confessions" of the Templars were produced by torturing the Templars, I consider all such confessions to be worthless, which is why I
used the term "accused of," though it can be established that the modern Masonic side degrees have BDSM style rituals. However since you are part of
the US military, which has a habit of torturing people to extract confessions, I would consider all such complaints about the tortures of the Templars
to be hypocritical.
Since I believe that we Communists should have a higher moral standard than the Capitalist vermin, I do not personally advocate the use of torture,
though in the case of US state terrorists such as yourself I would consider it to be understandable if your enemies tortured you. Indeed the Viet-Cong
had a very successful method of instilling fear into the American soldiers; they would crucify captured American soldiers and leave them in areas
where the US patrols would find them. Since the Americans have a habit of torturing their Muslim victims and have a long history of collaborating with
torturers and murderers in Latin America, I think that if their current Muslim enemies adopted the practice of crucifixion, that they might be more
effective than the current practice of trying to blow their legs off rather than just killing soldiers. Of course I take no sides in the war between
the Muslims and the Capitalists as they are both the common enemies of the Communists.
reply to post by jonnywhite
I work in intelligence and I have religion. There many devout men and women of faith who work with me.
There's no need to be secretive about it.
Proverbs talks about keeping secrets.
Yes the existence of religious fanatics in the US state terrorist, narco-terrorist military is part of the problem. The biblical deity is essentially
a genocidal war god and the existence of the Christian chaplaincy in the US military reinforces the idea that they will be eternally rewarded in
heaven for their genocidal Capitalist, imperialistic behaviour. I am not personally a monotheist, but in terms of "belief" I do believe in the
existence of the gods and goddesses (ancestral spirits) and in the existence of the eternal soul and the afterlife; your enemies, victims and allies
will be your eternal enemies and allies, and great and terrible and dreadful and wrathful shall be the judgement of your enemies and victims; woe to
they who ally themselves with the Anglo-American state terrorists, narco-terrorists; that Jewish primitivist Communist martyr from 2000 years ago,
whom many of them claim to worship as a god, Jesus is unlikley to be of any assistance in protecting them from the eternal wrath of their enemies.
"Give me two, three.... many Vietnams..
For Anarchism. For Communism.
The Final Revolutionary War of Economic Salvation and the non-miraculous feeding of the 7 billion.
"We must carry the war into every corner the enemy happens to carry it, to his home, to his centers of entertainment: a total war. It is necessary
to prevent him from having a moment of peace, a quiet moment outside his barracks or even inside; we must attack him wherever he may be, make him feel
like a cornered beast wherever he may move. Then his moral fiber shall begin to decline, but we shall notice how the signs of decadence begin to
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