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The Earth may be 4.5 million years old, but our species (Homo sapiens) have only been around for about 200,000 years.
Here's and interesting fact: for 80% of the time that life has been on the Earth (about 3.8 billion years), that life had been single-cell organisms.
Us multi-celled organisms (such as earthworms, goldfish, dinosaurs, pine trees, humans, woolly mammoths, birds and mice) have only been around for a
very short time in the history of life on Earth. Even the dinosaurs didn't show up until very late in Earth's history.
Humans are more closely related to dinosaurs than dinosaurs are to the early life on Earth.
Faked images from our trip to the moon?, page 24
reply posted on 11-4-2011 @ 07:26 AM by Soylent Green Is People
Originally posted by caf1550
reply to post by Soylent Green Is People
you ment 4.5 billions years old i believe
Yes -- Thank you.
reply posted on 12-4-2011 @ 02:01 AM by backinblack
reply to post by jra
Pretty big call..
I'll have to look into that..
I'll start with that "no crater" vid...
Pretty sure some engineers were involved..
No one with any science or engineering background, anywhere in the world, has claimed Apollo to be a hoax in the past 40 years.
Pretty big call..
I'll have to look into that..
I'll start with that "no crater" vid...
Pretty sure some engineers were involved..
reply posted on 12-4-2011 @ 07:32 AM by Soylent Green Is People
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by jra
No one with any science or engineering background, anywhere in the world, has claimed Apollo to be a hoax in the past 40 years.
Pretty big call..
I'll have to look into that..
I'll start with that "no crater" vid...
Pretty sure some engineers were involved..
If you are asking why there was no crater made by the LEM when it landed, that's because the engine was fully throttle-able (i.e., the force coming form the thrusters was not that great at that point), and -- more importantly -- the Moon is hard and solid under a relatively thin layer of surface dust -- it's not made of loose dust all the way down.
reply posted on 12-4-2011 @ 08:19 AM by weedwhacker
reply to post by 4Yahshua
Rubbish.
NO, you simply "read" that somewhere, probably on the Web, and bought it hook, line and sinker....without proper comprehension, nor critical thinking applied.
Now, this was covered already above but--- Look again at this, and spot the lack of logic, and sheer mistakes:
What Kubrick "space movies"?? He did ONE -- "2001: A Space Odyssey" As mentioned, loaded with many, many mistakes that true fans of the film, and of science can spot (and, most overlook, allowing for the time and era of the film).
BTW....principle photography for "2001" was underway in 1966!! And, 1967! Release date for the film, to the public? 1968! (In April of that year....).... Tell us, when did Apollo 11 land, again???
Source
Ergo, in your comment, "...so he could later film his space movies...." it shows a completely illogical and misinformed timeline of actual, historical events.
Kubrick directed (made) 13 films total....only one "space" related:
1950s: Fear and Desire; Killer's Kiss; The Killing and Paths of Glory
1960s: Spartacus; Lolita; Dr. Strangelove and 2001: A Space Odyssey
1970s: A Clockwork Orange and Barry Lyndon
1980s: The Shining and Full Metal Jacket
1990s: Eyes Wide Shut
Look see all the mistakes, just in this short clip. (Pivotal sequence for the storyline):
Look how terribly, terribly fake the "Lunar landscape" looks. The way the lunar-scape is lit, as (critical point in film) they are just at the terminator line, as "morning" is approaching. The location of the Earth, in the background, and the way IT is illuminated, is inconsistent. (Also, they are supposed to be at the crater Tycho....the general area called "Tycho" is between about 40° and 45° South latitude. From there, on the Lunar surface, I would have to check, but I don't think the Earth would be so low to the horizon. That would be more appropriate for a much further South location, looking North, back towards the Moon's equator.
LOOK at the actors!! See how they are walking? It is obviously on Earth, in 1G. And, the suits? Obviously not pressurized, in a vacuum!!! (They have "camel toes", for gosh sakes!!)
In 1966 no one (outside, possibly, of NASA) would have had any idea what the REAL thing would, and should have looked like. Up to then, the only actual EVA suit experience in real space, real vacuum were in "space walks", outside the capsule EVAs. No locomotion under 1/6th G, in reality....UNTIL Apollo 11....
Totally made up nonsense....
You are utterly mistaken. I have to wonder: Is your screen name choice a clue to a tendency to embrace these "hoax beliefs" regarding the Apollo program? It is good enough for Bart Sibrel....some religious fervor that he possesses, and that drives him. Misguided, though it is......
Rubbish.
My studied answer?
NO, you simply "read" that somewhere, probably on the Web, and bought it hook, line and sinker....without proper comprehension, nor critical thinking applied.
Now, this was covered already above but--- Look again at this, and spot the lack of logic, and sheer mistakes:
First faked images were by Stanley Kubrick who did them so he could later film his space movies.
What Kubrick "space movies"?? He did ONE -- "2001: A Space Odyssey" As mentioned, loaded with many, many mistakes that true fans of the film, and of science can spot (and, most overlook, allowing for the time and era of the film).
BTW....principle photography for "2001" was underway in 1966!! And, 1967! Release date for the film, to the public? 1968! (In April of that year....).... Tell us, when did Apollo 11 land, again???
Principal photography began December 29, 1965, in Stage H at Shepperton Studios, Shepperton, England. {skip}...... Filming of actors was completed in September 1967...
Source
Ergo, in your comment, "...so he could later film his space movies...." it shows a completely illogical and misinformed timeline of actual, historical events.
Kubrick directed (made) 13 films total....only one "space" related:
1950s: Fear and Desire; Killer's Kiss; The Killing and Paths of Glory
1960s: Spartacus; Lolita; Dr. Strangelove and 2001: A Space Odyssey
1970s: A Clockwork Orange and Barry Lyndon
1980s: The Shining and Full Metal Jacket
1990s: Eyes Wide Shut
Look see all the mistakes, just in this short clip. (Pivotal sequence for the storyline):
Look how terribly, terribly fake the "Lunar landscape" looks. The way the lunar-scape is lit, as (critical point in film) they are just at the terminator line, as "morning" is approaching. The location of the Earth, in the background, and the way IT is illuminated, is inconsistent. (Also, they are supposed to be at the crater Tycho....the general area called "Tycho" is between about 40° and 45° South latitude. From there, on the Lunar surface, I would have to check, but I don't think the Earth would be so low to the horizon. That would be more appropriate for a much further South location, looking North, back towards the Moon's equator.
LOOK at the actors!! See how they are walking? It is obviously on Earth, in 1G. And, the suits? Obviously not pressurized, in a vacuum!!! (They have "camel toes", for gosh sakes!!)
In 1966 no one (outside, possibly, of NASA) would have had any idea what the REAL thing would, and should have looked like. Up to then, the only actual EVA suit experience in real space, real vacuum were in "space walks", outside the capsule EVAs. No locomotion under 1/6th G, in reality....UNTIL Apollo 11....
He was haunted by doing this and so filmed them so we could tell that they were faked.
Totally made up nonsense....
No trips to the Moon at any time!
You are utterly mistaken. I have to wonder: Is your screen name choice a clue to a tendency to embrace these "hoax beliefs" regarding the Apollo program? It is good enough for Bart Sibrel....some religious fervor that he possesses, and that drives him. Misguided, though it is......
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reply posted on 12-4-2011 @ 08:58 AM by kinda kurious
reply to post by weedwhacker
Weedwhacker you know I am a huge fan and your depiction of the timeline in refuting 4Yahshua is SPOT ON. (Weedwhacker AND the Devil are in the details.) I whole heartedly agree that those who draw parallels to 2001 or use it as a prop (oh look a pun, just for you) to support their Moon Hoax claims are absurd and unfounded.
HOWEVER, as a huge fan of Kubrick and as someone who is versed in film making, I'd hate for the consternation and scrutiny of the film "2001" as it relates to NASA and the APOLLO program diminish the remarkable feat and EPIC nature of the film. In a pre CGI world the film is nothing short of extraordinary both from a technical achievement and cinema perspective. (All of the effects were a combination of organic film optical effects and principle in-camera photography. I equate it to the construction of the pyramids on the scale of fantastic engineering marvels) A a minor note, all of the "telemetry" on the monitors were pre-produced film opticals rear projected to emulate CRT's which were in their infancy. In short: Kubrick was a genius.
I don't suggest or infer that is what you are doing, but just wanted to point that out.
Weedwhacker you know I am a huge fan and your depiction of the timeline in refuting 4Yahshua is SPOT ON. (Weedwhacker AND the Devil are in the details.) I whole heartedly agree that those who draw parallels to 2001 or use it as a prop (oh look a pun, just for you) to support their Moon Hoax claims are absurd and unfounded.
HOWEVER, as a huge fan of Kubrick and as someone who is versed in film making, I'd hate for the consternation and scrutiny of the film "2001" as it relates to NASA and the APOLLO program diminish the remarkable feat and EPIC nature of the film. In a pre CGI world the film is nothing short of extraordinary both from a technical achievement and cinema perspective. (All of the effects were a combination of organic film optical effects and principle in-camera photography. I equate it to the construction of the pyramids on the scale of fantastic engineering marvels) A a minor note, all of the "telemetry" on the monitors were pre-produced film opticals rear projected to emulate CRT's which were in their infancy. In short: Kubrick was a genius.
I don't suggest or infer that is what you are doing, but just wanted to point that out.
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reply posted on 12-4-2011 @ 10:25 AM by backinblack
reply to post by Soylent Green Is People
No I wasn't..
I was saying there may have been engineers in that vid that disagree with the landings..
JRA said mo engineers or scientists have EVER questioned the moon landings..
If you are asking why there was no crater made by the LEM when it landed, that's because the engine was fully throttle-able (i.e., the force coming form the thrusters was not that great at that point), and -- more importantly -- the Moon is hard and solid under a relatively thin layer of surface dust -- it's not made of loose dust all the way down.
No I wasn't..
I was saying there may have been engineers in that vid that disagree with the landings..
JRA said mo engineers or scientists have EVER questioned the moon landings..
reply posted on 12-4-2011 @ 11:11 AM by Movhisattva
reply to post by Soylent Green Is People
Thank you for that perfectly sane explanation. Obvious, really.
One enigma less for my mind.
Thank you for that perfectly sane explanation. Obvious, really.
One enigma less for my mind.
reply posted on 12-4-2011 @ 11:32 AM by Soylent Green Is People
reply to post by backinblack
I completely agree with jra's sentiment, but I think it may be a stretch to claim that NO engineer anywhere in the world believes in the Apollo hoax.
I've always said the there are people of all sorts in every walk of life. Just because someone is an engineer does not mean that they can't be of the personal opinion that the Moon landings were a hoax.
However, for every engineer who thinks the landings were a hoax, or for every engineer who says the Apollo missions could not happen for one or another technical reasons, there are many many more engineers who would disagree. Therefore, the fact that there are a few engineers who say the Moon landings are a hoax is as meaningful as when non-engineers say so.
I completely agree with jra's sentiment, but I think it may be a stretch to claim that NO engineer anywhere in the world believes in the Apollo hoax.
I've always said the there are people of all sorts in every walk of life. Just because someone is an engineer does not mean that they can't be of the personal opinion that the Moon landings were a hoax.
However, for every engineer who thinks the landings were a hoax, or for every engineer who says the Apollo missions could not happen for one or another technical reasons, there are many many more engineers who would disagree. Therefore, the fact that there are a few engineers who say the Moon landings are a hoax is as meaningful as when non-engineers say so.
reply posted on 12-4-2011 @ 02:20 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by kinda kurious
Yup....perhaps missed in the text above:
Of which, I am one. Point was, despite Kubrick's famed attention to detail, and zealous attempts at authenticity, they just did NOT know enough, yet back then, to be accurate to the extent that we know now. They were, at the time of the film's production, still stabbing in the dark, as to "how" things "should" have looked....
....(AND, I am an aficionado of sorts, a film buff. Long ago studied the ground-breaking techniques, tricks and innovations that Kubrick and SFX virtuoso Douglas Trumbull used. Too bad they never thought to access the "Vomit Comet" --- or it wasn't in budget, or available --- as has been done in later films. Of course, the camera equipment back then may not have been as versatile, so....no "SteadiCams", and such....).....
Yup....perhaps missed in the text above:
As mentioned, loaded with many, many mistakes that true fans of the film...
Of which, I am one. Point was, despite Kubrick's famed attention to detail, and zealous attempts at authenticity, they just did NOT know enough, yet back then, to be accurate to the extent that we know now. They were, at the time of the film's production, still stabbing in the dark, as to "how" things "should" have looked....
....(AND, I am an aficionado of sorts, a film buff. Long ago studied the ground-breaking techniques, tricks and innovations that Kubrick and SFX virtuoso Douglas Trumbull used. Too bad they never thought to access the "Vomit Comet" --- or it wasn't in budget, or available --- as has been done in later films. Of course, the camera equipment back then may not have been as versatile, so....no "SteadiCams", and such....).....
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reply posted on 12-4-2011 @ 02:49 PM by DJW001
reply to post by coquine
It's not a documentary, it's a mockumentary! Those aren't really Kissinger and company, they are actors:
Wikipedia [Edits mine. --DJW001
Have you seen this documentary?
It is pretty interesting... I wonder how they got people like Henry Kissinger, Lawrence Eagleberger, Al Haig and Donald Rumsfeld to make these claims? Or what?
I don't have any firm belief myself that this is true, but I did find that compelling and would like to see the criticism for debunking?
It's not a documentary, it's a mockumentary! Those aren't really Kissinger and company, they are actors:
It is finally revealed that this is a mockumentary as the end credits roll over a montage of blooper reels, with the main participants laughing over the absurdity of their lines or questioning if particular ones would give the joke away too soon. Besides being a comedic documentary, it is also an exercise in Jean Baudrillard's theories of hyperreality....
Australian broadcaster SBS television aired the film on April 1 as an April fools' joke...
Several of the fictitious interviewees, such as Dave Bowman, Jack Torrance, and Dimitri Muffley are named after characters from movies directed by Kubrick. There are also references to films by Alfred Hitchcock, as both Eve Kendall and George Kaplan are character names in North by Northwest, and Ambrose Chapel is a location in the 1956 remake of The Man Who Knew Too Much.
Wikipedia [Edits mine. --DJW001
reply posted on 12-4-2011 @ 03:15 PM by Illustronic
reply to post by coquine
You have to understand most of the equipment that got us to the moon was made by private contractors, not NASA and they proudly will give you all the technical information you could ask for on their own websites. From me about 8 pages ago.
I suggest you go to the HASSELBLAD website, they explain in detail how their moon cameras were modified, but
www.hasselbladusa.com...
history.nasa.gov...
www.myspacemuseum.com...
history.nasa.gov...
Now these are just the large still images, the live TV is a whole other field, but it's the still images that conspiracists point to the most. They had to be returned to earth, developed and processed, (the cameras were left on the moon to save weight, every detail added up).
You have to understand most of the equipment that got us to the moon was made by private contractors, not NASA and they proudly will give you all the technical information you could ask for on their own websites. From me about 8 pages ago.
I suggest you go to the HASSELBLAD website, they explain in detail how their moon cameras were modified, but
www.hasselbladusa.com...
history.nasa.gov...
www.myspacemuseum.com...
history.nasa.gov...
Now these are just the large still images, the live TV is a whole other field, but it's the still images that conspiracists point to the most. They had to be returned to earth, developed and processed, (the cameras were left on the moon to save weight, every detail added up).
reply posted on 12-4-2011 @ 03:53 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by DJW001
LOL!!! Yes....
"Dave Bowman"! From the movie we were just discussing, above! Kubrick's "2001!. (An intentional homage, perhaps?)
The "Bowman" character was, of course, played by Keir Dullea. Reprised (briefly) in the film version of the 'sequel'...2010.
"Just what do you think you're doing, Dave?
....Dave. Stop. Stop, will you? Stop, Dave. Will you stop, Dave?.....I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave." (HAL 9000).
LOL!!! Yes....
Several of the fictitious interviewees, such as Dave Bowman....
"Dave Bowman"!
From the movie we were just discussing, above! Kubrick's "2001!. (An intentional homage, perhaps?) The "Bowman" character was, of course, played by Keir Dullea. Reprised (briefly) in the film version of the 'sequel'...2010.
"Just what do you think you're doing, Dave?
....Dave. Stop. Stop, will you? Stop, Dave. Will you stop, Dave?.....I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave." (HAL 9000).
reply posted on 12-4-2011 @ 05:26 PM by kinda kurious
reply to post by weedwhacker
OK, we're good.
I keep forgetting you're old like me.
Douglas Trumbull....amazing guy. Cray 1...amazing super computer. First computer to employ Integrated Circuits and like all computers generated a lot of heat.
Cooling System of Cray 1 computer
Those WERE the days my friend.
OK, we're good.
I keep forgetting you're old like me. Douglas Trumbull....amazing guy. Cray 1...amazing super computer. First computer to employ Integrated Circuits and like all computers generated a lot of heat.
Cooling System of Cray 1 computer
Those WERE the days my friend.
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