Are you a "targeted individual" or a paranoid schizophrenic?

a reply to: Astyanax

This friend is a girlfriend of mine, we live together. This made it personal. As I said, they are undercover DEA agents. The dog handler who was at the birthday gave me enough information to figure out who they were, whether intentional or simply a slip because he assumed I was ignorant, I have no beef with the guy because of this. Not so much for the one who baited my friend.

The US has truly become a nation who is encouraged to spy and 'report suspicious activity to the police' kind of society. This in my opinion is NOT a healthy society.

No one is a perfect observer and those who like to 'report suspicious activities' are often horrible at reporting accurately what they saw. These are the kind of leads the authorities will chase.

I used my smartphone to measure EM and frequency spike was at exactly 15500 hz. Voice captured using a YouTube DNA healing frequency. And your confusing the voice/thought thing. Voices are using mind/body measurements and guage external events that triggers voice or pain attacks. The implants can communicate with other people.

a reply to: jrod

No one is a perfect observer and those who like to 'report suspicious activities' are often horrible at reporting accurately what they saw.

...or they flat out lie and embellish details to suit their petty agendas.

I had this happen at one of my last places of employment....a well known coffee establishment. I had mentioned to my direct supervisor that I had a mental condition (stupid move on my part) just in case I had a sudden moment of sensitivity and needed to take a sudden break to regain my composure.

Lo and behold, she told everyone on staff about it....a staff which mostly consisted of teenagers who wanted to run me out of that place because they wanted their own little "clubhouse" and I wasn't part of their social clique.

One night I wasn't working, I stopped by to work on my book, sat silently in the corner with a drink- not bothering anyone - and casually talking to myself in a low voice working out some character details and plot points.

The next thing I knew, I was being escorted out by local law enforcement because the kids had called me in as a "potential threat" and claimed I was "yelling racial slurs and threatening to blow up the cafe".

Nonsense. Absolute utter nonsense.

I informed the officer of the situation and she advised me it was better to "just leave", and I complied....angry and insulted that the accusations of those spoiled teenagers (who had banded together in the lie, backing each others stories up perfectly) were given more weight and credit than a woman twice their age.

I quit working in that environment after that night.

I was subsequently banned from returning to that store, because every time I stopped in for a cup of coffee, someone would recognize me and threaten to call the authorities if I didn't leave.

Funny...they always waited until after I had placed my order and paid to make the threat.

Long story short, I called corporate, let them know I was an eight year veteran of their cafes and told them what was happening up at our local store. Needless to say, those kids/supervisors/managers have long since moved on. I can finally enjoy a beverage in that establishment in peace and without incident. It took a while, but it eventually evened itself out.

Small town politics. Honestly. They can be a real pain in the butt.


ETA: Jrod - I feel for ya man, I really do. I don't have the same problems with DEA or anything, but I hear stories all the time in this town of people who deal with similar circumstances to what you're going through. There is a lot of drug traffiking and use locally and sadly, a lot of unemployed and disabled individuals with too much time on their hands making trouble for others in the same situation.

It's a vicious cycle - the gossips, the dramas, the constant police involvement for every little thing under the sun.

Hang in there man....I wish like hell there was something I could do to help.

a reply to: jrod
Hey Jrod:

The US has truly become a nation who is encouraged to spy and 'report suspicious activity to the police' kind of society. This in my opinion is NOT a healthy society.

Not that I'm an arbiter of what's healthy, but as something of an observer/hermit, on the fringe of society, outside looking in kind of thing, you are precisely correct. Take the phrase: "If you see something, say something…."
There are many bandied about like that, and what they all have in common is encouraging an informant society.
And obviously, this isn't healthy. What an informant society discourages is faith, loyalty, privacy in favor of betrayal, self centerdness, self righteousness, hypocrisy, etc. It is neither healthy in regards to self, nor in regards to relationships between self and others, and/or self and society as a whole.

This is a penultimate example of a toxic society, cloaked in defensiveness, as illustrated, as well, by General Eyes' post about what happened with small town politics in a coffee shop. The defensiveness appears when the group bands together and does to someone exactly what it accuses that person of doing to them.

When a society becomes hypocritical to this degree, it's a few steps away from "The Lottery….," imho, projecting its ills onto a chosen member, and then directing its judgment, pain and rage there, onto that person. Some of us feel that the situation here, in the U.S., has gotten to that point, while pretending, instead, that it's an effort to move toward better health, but projecting our illness as a societ toward a small minority, and/or a person that represents, symbolically, that minority. I do not mean minority in an ethnic sense, here. The obvious hypocrisy of that, while the appearance of it is being reinforced technologically, creates a disenfranchising environment with an economic motivation underpinning it.

Nothing about this is "healthy."
tetra50

This is an old thread that discusses a true paranoid schizophrenic. The link to her web site no longer works, but some of her stuff was copied/pasted into posts. I thought it would be a good example of the difference between a TI and a true paranoid schizophrenic.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: sanitizedinfo
I used my smartphone to measure EM and frequency spike was at exactly 15500 hz.

No, no you didn't. Your phone isn't equipped to measure EM amplitude or frequency. That would require a spectrum analyzer. More, 15,500Hz would be VLF, and would require a huge antenna.

What you *might* have done, would be to measure sound. Although 15khz would be pushing it for a cell phone mic. Sound is not EM. EM is not sound. They are in no way alike.

Voice captured using a YouTube DNA healing frequency.

How does one accomplish that? I generally use a recorder of some sort. Oh, and there are no "DNA healing frequencies", that's one of those things that's about a 12 on the woo-o-meter.

And your confusing the voice/thought thing. Voices are using mind/body measurements and guage external events that triggers voice or pain attacks.

I'm having trouble parsing this one.

The implants can communicate with other people.

I think we're back to delusions of control and reference here. What if you're really not communicating with other people, nor are other people using "voice attacks"? What if it's all in your head? That doesn't make it less scary, but it's way more likely.

...in a basement cellar by London Wall, a gang of villains were controlling and tormenting his mind with diabolical rays. They were using a machine called an 'Air Loom', of which Matthews was able to draw immaculate technical diagrams, and which combined recent developments in gas chemistry with the strange force of animal magnetism, or mesmerism. It incorporated keys, levers, barrels, batteries, sails, brass retorts and magnetic fluid, and worked by directing and modulating magnetically charged air currents, rather as the stops of an organ modulate its tones. It ran on a mixture of foul substances, including 'spermatic-animal-seminal rays', 'effluvia of dogs' and 'putrid human breath', and its discharges of magnetic fluid were focused to deliver thoughts, feelings and sensations directly into Matthews' brain. There were many of these mind-control settings, all classified by vivid names: 'fluid locking', 'stone making', 'thigh talking', 'lobster-cracking', 'bomb-bursting', and the dreaded 'brain-saying', whereby thoughts were forced into his brain against his will. To facilitate this process, the gang had implanted a magnet into his head. As a result of the Air Loom, Matthews was tormented constantly by delusions, physical agonies, fits of laughter and being forced to parrot whatever nonsense they chose to feed into his head.

James Tilly Matthews thought all this, too...in 1810.

a reply to: Bedlam

I have photographic and video evidence of the frequency, em, and voice. If been able to isolate how my hearing is routed to hear the "mystery voices" which are more than dellusions or imagined. All you who don't believe, are either cruel deliberately or are yourselves forcing fascistic scientific delusion on vulnerable minds

originally posted by: tetra50
Unfortunately, what you are describing here, I think, is all too true these days. If you are not "invested" in the current economic and social system and structure, you are considered to be worth watching. In other words, do what everyone else appears to do: get up, go to work, come home, watch television; on the weekends, shop. This seems to be what "Americans" are supposed to be doing. We're all supposed to be "one," right?

While I initially would agree that many DO in fact live such pitiful lives where they entirely "integrated" themselves into the system (if you know what I mean), some voluntarily, some out of a need etc... MANY do in fact not.

Many people live "unconventional" lives, even in the US. Not everyone get's up 7am and comes home 5pm having done his duty. There are criminals, free-thinkers, drug users, entrepreneurs, bums, hippies, cult members, crazy people, conspiracy theorists, unemployed, society leechers, world travelers, billionaires, gurus, stoners AND TONS OF OTHER PEOPLE who do not conform into your (!!) idea of this robot society.

The idea that each of those people, to whatever extent, would justify to be stalked "by the government"..is absurd.

You are living an illusion seeing yourself as "something special" thinking that your position (being unemployed, living on a boat etc.) must be "so special", but in reality it's absolutely not. You're just another guy. This is the reality.

Not being a psychologist, but your weird "justification" that you get stalked because of your lifestyle is an illusion/delusion not different than the rest of your...let's say...symptoms. YOU are NOT so special as you think. Really.

The three letter agencies would sure be extremely busy "targeting" any "non-conformist"...but this is what you imply. It makes no sense.

a reply to: NoRulesAllowed
Heres the picture I see. There are the original model of what is classified into definable schizophrenia which is command voices or scenario building/coercion. These are triggered by cruelty by family or friends, drugs are not a direct cause but do help weaken the barrier. I believe the voice of god or v2k is used minimaly on victims of schizophrenics who get close to the truth. Schiz truly is a implant system that uses low levels of directed and routed energy

You are living an illusion seeing yourself as "something special" thinking that your position (being unemployed, living on a boat etc.) must be "so special", but in reality it's absolutely not. You're just another guy. This is the reality.

Not being a psychologist, but your weird "justification" that you get stalked because of your lifestyle is an illusion/delusion not different than the rest of your...let's say...symptoms. YOU are NOT so special as you think. Really.

(The three letter agencies would sure be extremely busy "targeting" any "non-conformist"...)

a reply to: NoRulesAllowed

Wait,What???? LOLOLOL…. I'm not making any sense? Who is getting emotional, personal and insulting, exactly? I'm living an illusion? I didn't talk about my life at all. You have no idea how I live, and I certainly don't think I'm special. And I didn't imply a damn thing.

First, I'm not some guy on a boat, or whatever. I'm a woman. Never said I was special, in any way, whatsoever.
Beyond that, I'm not going to give you many details about my life, though I was on Facebook for a short time, with a picture of myself on the page, and "friended" lots of ATS people….

Nowhere in what I wrote did I say I was special, nor even imply that I lived some free thinking, Bohemian, or thought I was calling attention to myself in some way….nowhere in what I wrote there could you possibly get that impression.

However, since 9/11, and the creation of agencies like Homeland Security, and policies such as the Patriot Act, there has definitely been a shift in the climate of the country in regards to what I discussed in that post, a kind of hyper-vigilance in police, the NSA and surveillance, in general. If you do not see that shift, then I'd have to say you've missed a lot of rhetoric justifying watching people….which is very ironic when you consider there were two FBI officers who requested added surveillance on one of the men who was on one of the doomed flights….

Have you missed all the discussion about extra surveillance, giving up some of our privacy for our safety, etc?
And how does discussing that have anything whatsoever to do with some assertion that I am special enough to watch?
What in the world are you even talking about?

Wait…where did you get that I was unemployed? Was that somewhere in the hidden stuff I wrote about being special? That I somehow missed even though I supposedly wrote it?

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: Spruce

I'm certain I'm not alone when I say that I don't appreciate your sarcasm.

Sarcasm?

If you had genuine evidence that you were being stalked, or even a consistent and convincing story, you may be sure the police would sit up and take notice.

If you cannot convince them to take your threat seriously, chances are good that your stalker is imaginary. The police are experts in this kind of thing, you know. They have much experience in being able to tell a genuine complaint from a fictitious one.

And exactly what makes you believe that police are experts in this type of thing? Let's see, you saw what cops did on Law and Order? You certainly didn't get it from any scientific facts because if you really did bother to read any reports like these www.wellspringalliance.org... (i.e. page 9), you would know that cops do NOT take it seriously and they aren't experts in telling the difference between fake and genuine complaints.

Stalking is often part of domestic violence and cops it's very well documented that police often ignore the victim or believe they are crazy.

originally posted by: tetra50

Wait…where did you get that I was unemployed? Was that somewhere in the hidden stuff I wrote about being special? That I somehow missed even though I supposedly wrote it?

The reply was actually not about you but more referring to the other guy (girl?) further above who tried to see sense in believing he is stalked because he lives an unconventional life on a boat, has no money etc. I don't think it was you. But you then replied sort-of "agreeing" with it.

Just saying the idea that individuals are stalked just because they live "unconventional" lives is absurd.

For starters, this country has no money to waste manpower and "secret technology" to anyone who doesn't fit the "norm".

A note to all you wanna be internet psychologists (I say wanna be because I'm praying to god that none of you are actually practicing mental health professionals but I'm guessing some of you are).

Take your own advice and get some help.

YOU ARE ACTUALLY FAR MORE DANGEROUS TO SOCIETY THAN ANY PERSON WHO MIGHT BELIEVE THEY ARE HEARING VOICES

Stalking and electronic harassment are very, very real and actually very common. Put down your psych 101 book and start researching stalking. It's often part of Domestic violence. It's common response of an abuser to call the victim crazy and they actually start feeling crazy. If it's not taken seriously, it often results in physical harm to the victim.

Saying things like if the police don't believe you than you are crazy, is such an irresponsible thing to say. It leads to real victims keeping silent and living in fear. It's also wrong to suggest counseling to someone in order for them to deal with stalking. Newsflash, people get this is code for "you are crazy get some help". It's degrading and just makes people more fearful.

For everyone one person who might actually not be experiencing real stalking, you are putting another 9 people at risk. (Besides, you aren't really even helping that one person.) For that one person who might actually be suffering from a illness, they should still feel they can contact the police for protection without fear of ridicule.

What's helpful is taking everyone seriously at first because 9 out of 10 times the stalking is real.

a reply to: Restricted

If I may:

Another example of someone suffering from Schizophrenia:

I'd like to introduce you to Ms Elyn Saks.

Elyn R. Saks is Associate Dean and Orrin B. Evans Professor of Law, Psychology, and Psychiatry and the Behavioral Sciences at the University of Southern California Gould Law School, an expert in mental health law and a Mac­Arthur Foundation Fellowship winner.[1][2] Saks lives with schizophrenia and has written about her experience with the illness in her award-winning best-selling autobiography...

~ Source: Wikipedia



That being said :

One reason I will always encourage anyone suffering from "voices" to speak to a trusted therapist just to rule out a simple neuro-chemical imbalance. The hard part is convincing a skeptical sufferer that not everyone in "the System" is an evil s.o.b. hell bent on getting them locked up for life or trying to chemically lobotomize them. It's actually better to know it's just the brain doing weird brainy things than to worry day in and day out about "OMG - IS THE GOVERNMENT AFTER ME?" No want wants to live like that day in and day out for the rest of their lives. Trust me on that. There is nothing wrong with being Schizophrenic or Schizoaffective....it is not a death sentence. I'm 20 years of proof.

Help is out there. You won't be locked up for life. The meds may take some time to get used to and find the right combinations for your personal chemistry - but with therapy and getting your neurotransmitters in order through various trial medications - THEY CAN HELP STOP THE VOICES OR AT LEAST MAKE THEM EASIER TO DEAL WITH. I promise. They've helped me immensely.

And just for the record:

When I claimed a dual label of Schizoaffective and "Targeted Individual" that was to say that I am unfairly judged and treated in negative ways because of some people who are aware of my diagnosis and believe I am something to be feared, avoided, taunted, picked on or toyed with simply because of said diagnosis via widespread media disinformation (such as movies and television portrayals).

In more extreme cases I am a target for cruel behavior because there is a twisted and deep seated animal instinct in some people to drive out the 'sick' from the rest of the proverbial herd.

Those kinds of abusers use every opportunity to cut their targets off from normal social activities, attempt to ruin their finances, reputations, relationships and contacts with established social venues through the use of psychological warfare (bullying/lying/phone calls/fake police reports/vandalism/stalking/indirect and direct threats) in order to attempt to scare the intended victim(s) into submission....or to run them off. Such initiatives and activities stem from a very brute territorial and sadistic perspective on the part of the Perpetrator.

In short, there are many different kinds of Targeted Individuals out there - ranging from those raised in abusive households dealing with PTSD traumas, those who have scrambled their perceptions through an excess of drugs and alcohol, those who are just unusually hypersensitive to aspects of the hectic world around them and those who have spend so long in dysfunctional circumstances that it's hard to even think straight - much less clarify themselves to a perceived "hostile inquisitor"....there are a variety of multiple and overlapping situations that can result in a severely isolated, frightened and confused individuals seeking answers to the great questions of WHO - WHAT - HOW - WHERE and MOST IMPORTANTLY - WHY THE HELL ME????

Trying to paint everyone who suffers from any of these circumstances with one broad brush is completely unfair.

When it comes to the conspiratorial aspect of the T.I. phenomenon in regards to electronic harassment - I would offer a video example of devices were it not for the fact that the majority such videos on the subjects are highly sensationalized and non-scientific....in fact, the majority of videos on the subject of electronic harassment are produced in a "dramatic" manner that almost completely discredits the reality of such technology in it's entirety for the more discriminating and skeptical audience - it just seems too campy and conspiratorial to be true.

The homemade videos of T.I.'s attempting to prove EMF harassment and synchronistic events aren't much help - you can't expect someone who is going through such a bombardment to be able to capture the entirety of the sensory onslaught with a single camera and some low grade field testing equipment - bless their hearts, they're trying - but DEW (Directed Energy Weapons) are so precise that it's doubtful the majority of persons on the lower end of the economic spectrum could afford the proper equipment to prove their claims.

When I am Electronically Harassed by what I perceive to be a High Level Perp using DEW - I can barely hold my mind and self together enough to even remember who I am or hold my personality together....I can barely move, much less operate a device or use a shield of any kind to counteract the invasive scrambling of my cognitive abilities....such attack can come suddenly, or in bursts, and some of them feel like a baseball bat to the back of the head. And before you ask, yes, I've had MRI scans and there are no implants or damaged areas or tumors that would explain such severe pain. I've felt as if I was being flayed alive on one occasion. Another time as if I were on fire, and the most latest manifestations are that of an impending heart attack at any given moment.

If I go to the doctor or ER - the physical symptoms subside and the test are inconclusive....every...single...time. I'm told to go home, take some asprin and get some sleep.

If it's a psychiatric break, it's a much different experience - it's gradual mania that builds to paranoia and upon admittance to the ER I am placed on a 72 hour hold for observation and re-stabilization on anti-psychotics in a safe off-site clinical environment - which I am damn grateful for - (even though impatient is boring as hell).

Were it not for my own dealing with DEW technology being used against me, I wouldn't believe most testimonials either.

Let's cut to the chase on why EM tech and DEW's are so difficult to prove - first, it's a liability to admit it's possible and it exists....I'm sure we an all agree there are enough cruel laymen in the world who don't need the schematics/ideas for such devices in the first place....because next thing you know - every sociopath and psychopath with a Radio Shack fetish will be out there making the damn things in their garages as hobbyists or for financial gain....and that's the last thing any of us want or need.

Secondly - you can't physically see the Perp. I've had cars parked outside my apartment in a nearby parking lot in the middle of the night with dark tinted windows that always seem to be present when mild harassment occurs, and on other occasions, adjacent apartments that have been vacated have been the source of loud, audible and repetitive humming pulses that induce a manic state and psychotic break because I can't tune them out even with white noise generators or headphones.

I hope this post will shed some light on some misgivings running rampant in thread.

a reply to: GENERAL EYES

Well said General.
Salute!

a reply to: NoRulesAllowed
I can't believe someone starred you for saying the personal things you did about my very coherent post…..
getting personally insulting, etc.

The reply was actually not about you but more referring to the other guy (girl?) further above who tried to see sense in believing he is stalked because he lives an unconventional life on a boat, has no money etc. I don't think it was you. But you then replied sort-of "agreeing" with it.

The problem is I'm not someone else, and I said what I did, live like I do….and I'm not some guy on a boat, and even halfway agreeing doesn't make it alright to personally attack me as though I'm the guy you don't agree with….

Just saying the idea that individuals are stalked just because they live "unconventional" lives is absurd.

Yeah, it is. But I never said that.
Wow. I can't believe this. Is everyone's identity interchangeable???

originally posted by: sanitizedinfo
a reply to: Bedlam

I have photographic and video evidence of the frequency, em, and voice.

No, you don't. You might have, MIGHT have, some sort of audio analyzer on your phone. But your phone does not have a way to characterize EM, especially not at 15kHz.

And sound is not EM. it just isn't.

originally posted by: NoRulesAllowed

Just saying the idea that individuals are stalked just because they live "unconventional" lives is absurd.

For starters, this country has no money to waste manpower and "secret technology" to anyone who doesn't fit the "norm".

You must not read a lot of threads here on ATS. Something as mundane as buying a pressure cooker and then making an anti-war comment on a blog is enough to get you monitored these days.

And yes, apparently, the government DOES have money to waste spying on everyone.....www.pbs.org...
"There was a similar program for reading e-mails and looking at other Internet content, and then there were two programs that went after records and logs of communications, call detail records that showed who was calling who and when and from what devices. And those were being collected on every single American, and the similar stuff for e-mails and Internet chats and voice-over Internet."

originally posted by: Daughter2

Stalking and electronic harassment are very, very real and actually very common. Put down your psych 101 book and start researching stalking. It's often part of Domestic violence. It's common response of an abuser to call the victim crazy and they actually start feeling crazy. If it's not taken seriously, it often results in physical harm to the victim.

It's a far, far reach from a pissed off boyfriend to evil CIA henchmen with microwave mind control beams.

One does not validate the other.

a reply to: Bedlam

Yes. Yes I do. And i have 4 witnesses to my experiences who have been communicated to by the voice of a benevolent being I heard for a time, look up what 15500 hz can do, hint silent sound..