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Originally posted by Frontkjemper
reply to post by sugarcookie1
Our bodies, our choices. If you are ill, can't take the medication, the pain your illness inflicts upon you, it's your choice to keep on trucking or pull over to the side and quit. I know it's hard on the families, but it's not them going through the illness (or whatever else) that's making their lives unbearable to live.
Originally posted by wevebeenassimilated
I've seen posts talking of terminal illnesses but so far no one has mentioned anything about the aged. There are two people very dear to me; one is mid 80's with severe Alzheimer's and the other is early 80's with a sound mind but who recently had a stroke on top of a myriad of other health problems.
The fine lady with the Alzheimer's was happy and vibrant just a few short years ago and enjoyed life to the fullest. She found beauty in everything and fault in no one. Now she doesn't want to eat, is incontinent (sp?) goes into fits of rages where she sounds like "Turrets Guy" only worse...mind you she never cursed prior to this. She is so thin and frail that the slightest thing will bruise her skin or worse yet cut her skin. Most of the time she doesn't know where she is and she has lived in the same house for over 40 years. A promise was made to her (as well as to her husband before his death) that she would not be placed in a nursing home. Taking care of her at home is not quite as costly as a nursing home, however, it is extremely emotionally taxing on the entire family. I cannot imagine that she would choose to continue to live this way IF she were able to make a conscious choice. Additionally, about 7 or so years ago she had a living will written in the event that she becomes hospitalized she does not want to be kept alive by the use of breathing apparatus and/or feeding tubes
The other wonderful woman who recently had a stroke has had ever increasing health problems for the past six years. Six years ago she suffered a series of heart attacks and had a quadruple bi pass. She has diabetes, thyroid problems, intestinal bleeding...I could go on and on. She has said to me many times (not that this is something I enjoy hearing) that she is worn out and tired, that she would like to be able to just take something and "go to sleep". She said that she has had a good long life, but feels now like life is dealing her a cruel hand by making her suffer so. She (as I think I have seen in a few of the previous posts) has used the dog analogy. "They don't let old, tired dogs suffer." She said to me, "So why should old tired people suffer? We have lived our life, raised our kids and grand kids and great-grand kids too; we should have some say over when and how we go."
Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by sugarcookie1
Put simply, I believe each and everyone of us has the right to choose to die, it's our life so....
(obviously except from individuals who have a mental condition or similiar affecting their judgement)
Originally posted by IIIiIIIIIIiIII
My mother died of cancer almost 5 years ago. She had to be rushed to hospital one morning after about 5 years of cancer because we could not wake her up.
She was in and out of consciousness for a week, and then died.
She was in such bad shape that I even asked a nurse if there was any way that we could 'speed it up' and she just looked at me and gave a small nod.
Anyway, I think that it is a good idea, but I also think that life insurance will come into play. They won't want thair valued customers dying by their own terms. To them, that's bad. I can see them (insurance companies) refusing people who choose euthenasia if it ever becomes legal, but I think this will only happen in the early stages.
I believe euthenasia will become legal once a more secure and fool-proof control-grid comes in to play. I'm sure that if you have life insurance, or you simply want to register your wishes to be euthenised when it gets bad in the future, you will fill out a contract that states that you will live a life that is free of such carcinogens such as cigarettes, drugs and alcohol, as these cost the tax-payer many dollars if problems arise because of them.
Your credit card (cash-less society) will not let you buy such items, and on top of this scheduled blood tests will make sure you are keeping clean. Who knows, you may get caught on a bio-metric CCTV-scanner-camera drinking alcohol on the street that your buddy bought you.
It will be moments like that when you will be denied euthenasia and fined, possibly having to go through a suspension period until you are allowed to apply again, with penalties such as higher registration costs and a heightened age upon which you are allowed to use the service.
You were once allowed to use euthenasia at 60, but seeing as you broke the law, you now have to wait until you are 65 or 70 before you are eligible for it.
The future will be a real mess, and should be euthenised.edit on 14/03/2011 by IIIiIIIIIIiIII because: Had to euthenise a sentence.
Originally posted by PrinceDreamer
I do believe that everyone has the right to die how they see fit, whether due to illness or not, it is their life and their choice, but making euthanasia legal does present its own problems both moral and ethical.
For example, who administers the lethal dose? You, do you give a killing injection to your own mother or father? Do you give an killing injection to your own child? Are you prepared for the issues and consequences afterwards? Do you ask a doctor who has sworn an oath to preserve life to break that oath? Do we create a new profession for ghoul like people to go out and administer the death shot?
And who makes the decision to administer it? At what point does the patient lose the right to choose for themselves? What if one sibling wants to administer the kill shot but another doesn't, who has the final say? Do we leave it to the doctors to decide? What if the system is abused by hospital administrators (the living proof of vampires if I ever saw one) Give the death shot to case that are less profitable to the hospital, while keeping others suffering because they can claim more from insurances companies.
How do you ensure that the patient is not pressured by greedy relatives? Money can be a very evil motivator for some people so how do we protect against this?
As I said I am all for euthanasia, well I am not for it as such, I mean I am all for people having total choice over their lives and deaths where possible, but you cant call for euthanasia to be legalised without covering all the permutations first and offering a framework for it to work in
Originally posted by TerryMcGuire
reply to post by sugarcookie1
Ya know there was this movie, Soylent Green. It was about a future with not enough food for everyone.
A very grim place and time. Everything is crowded and dirty. Few people ever get to see the beauty of nature any more , just the big over crowded city.
Anyway, this old man has had enough of it all and goes to this establishment where he is given a nice hot bath, his first in years, and a nice final meal. He is guided to a nice room where he lays down in a nice clean robe in a nice clean bed by some nice clean women.
They ask him what he would like to listen to and he says something classical. The room is rigged with stereo and begins playing Beethoven while on the wraparound walls there is displayed a 3d vision of a pristine earth with wild animals and waterfalls and stuff. He then falls asleep in his own time and just dosen't wake up.
How sweet is that? Of course the big secret kicker at the end is that his body is rendered down along with all the others and turned into food bars for the starving masses. So much for pathos.
Originally posted by Dock9
If there were euthanasia booths on every street, in the same way as ATM's,
then I believe demand would be high
Far as I'm concerned, people should be able to end their lives at any time - healthy or not
This world is a zoo, an insane-asylum, as anyone with an ounce of intelligence soon works out
If we don't like a movie - we leave
If we don't like an hotel - we leave
If we don't like a party - we leave
If we don't like a relationship or marriage - we leave
If we don't like a life or a planet or dimension - we should be allowed to leave also without interference from overpaid clergy or corrupt politicians
Who are these people who claim ' every life is sacred ' ? Where did they learn that rubbish ? How dare they chant it to others ?
Every life is sacred, huh ? So what about those 1,000 people who were hacked to death by axes this weekend, for example ? Obviously their killers didn't believe they were sacred. Nor did the 'angels' or 'god'. They died horribly while people in ATS were chatting
No one has the right to take their own life ? Really ? Because it inflicts suffering on their families ? Really ?
But they sign up to kill and be killed in their governments' orchestrated wars, don't they ? And when they ship out to kill people they don't know, overseas, did you know the government ships out their body-bags, along with them ?
And the clergy button their mouths, don't they ? And governments send them off to kill and die ? And that's ok, is it ? Neither their lives nor the lives of those they kill with their superior weapons - are 'sacred ' ? And their families suffer when their rotting corpses are brought back 'home' and they're buried with the nation's flag flying. But that's ok, apparently. Because to sugar-coat the slaughter, the dead are claimed to have 'died for their country '. Sure. Nice touch. Even though those wars were CAUSED by their country ! And those killed by their country were NO threat to the families weeping into their handkerchiefs at the graveside of the 'heroes'
So -- you're allowed to die if you first kill total strangers on the other side of the globe
But the self-righteous bible-thumpers will call you names if you choose to die because the world sucks
Personally, I look forward to the day when suicide-booths exists alongside hotels, brothels, drug-dens, filthy banks and fast-food halls
And it's my opinion that people should automatically be put to death (painlessly) at age 75, with a bonus in the form of a waiving of death-duties for those who elect to die earlier. It would free-up resources (housing, hospitals, etc.) to a huge degree and would spare people the problem of sick and ageing parents. Most of all, it would provide what people need most -- a cut-off date. If people knew they were going to die on their 75th birthday, they'd put more into (and get more out of ) life. And it would remove the worry of being burdens of their families and of being forced to endure years of decay. After all, when a woman's pregnant, she knows when the child will be born. Makes sense that people know when they'll die, also.
But most of all, I hope one day there will be a Death/Exit Day -- same as Earth Day -- when everyone on the planet will, in unison, exit the planet .... kill themselves in protest. When the elite are faced with a worldwide strike action such as International Death Day, it will be an end to their power. It will be an end to the power and control currently wielded by religions. It will be a kick in the teeth to whatever gets its kicks imposing misery and suffering upon billions of humans
After all, it's a given that we're all going to die anyway. It's time WE decided the terms
edit on 3-4-2011 by Dock9 because: a tidy up
Originally posted by Hawking
EVERYONE without dependents has the right to die. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Originally posted by capgrup
I respect and understand where you are coming from. I do not have a terminal illness
but do live in constant pain. I do not believe I would still be here if I had to deal with
both. You are a stronger person than I am.
I do feel that it is our decision, with some understanding from our families if we choose
to go this route. My family and I have talked about this for some time. They see what
living in pain has done to me and how it affects the way I live my life. While I know they
would not want me to do myself in; I believe they would understand. Besides, living for
years on narcotics has probably destroyed my kidneys and liver like it did my heart.
The best thing is to have a Do Not Resucitate in your records. That is one thing about the V.A.
They make sure your Living Will is updated constantly.
Good Luck to You. Remember that those who tell you that you are wrong do not live your
life. If you want to talk feel free to u2u me.
Originally posted by LargeFries
reply to post by sugarcookie1
sugarcookie1, I think here in America we are woefully behind the times with respecting a persons right to die. I advocate that people after a given age should have the ability to cease their existence in a respectful manner.
Aside from terminal illness are people who suffer terrible mental or physical pain daily. They should have the right to not only terminate themselves, there should be the option to have ones organs and such donated. Maybe another person will have a better life, or a medical student will learn to perfect a procedure, there are many plus sides to being a donor.
I liked the movie Soylent Green. In their futuristic civilization are places for people to go when they choose to die. They are treated with respect and dignity. These people didn't have to cause a traumatic situation with a messy suicide. They no longer had to suffer, to long for what they miss. they did not have to worry about being found dead in their little apartment weeks after the fact. Respect and dignity.
I understand not many people may agree with my opinion. That's okay. Take care sugarcookie1
Originally posted by fooks
yes we do!
i talked with the wife tonite about this.
i am out of here as soon as i am terminal.
she wants to prolong it to the end, WRONG, i will pull the plug myself,
at the right time of course.
prolonged illness is a bitck, money and stress and if everything was good before, say goodbye and see ya later!
Originally posted by leedslurker
Having seen my dad suffer with Alzheimers for years, his personality change, his memory go, physically decline to the state where he looked like looked like he had come out of Belsen, 6ft tall, 6 stone and my wife working daily with people suffering from the likes of BSE, MND and Parkinson, safely regulated euthanasia has to be the way forward.
Originally posted by speculativeoptimist
This made me curious about how and if any other cultures accept euthanasia and I found that some cultures do, and here is a representative map.
I live in Oregon and we are one of the few states that has created a Death With Dignity Act.
Oregon Death With Dignity
I believe it is a human right to exercise this for oneself. I know I would not want to suffer or be kept barely alive for the sake of it. I would not want to bestow the medical costs on my loved ones. This is why it is so important to have a plan or some legal alternatives in place, imo.
I think more states could get this legislation if the people got involved and brought some attention to the issue. Dr Krevorkian of course brought this notion to the mainstream some years ago, and Oregonians got involved. Yes we are a "speak up" kind of folk out here.
specedit on 3-4-2011 by speculativeoptimist because: (no reason given)