prostitution should be legalized

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by hp1229
There are other means of boosting trade and economy and the GDP

Imagine US or any other country becoming another thailand where prostitution is rampant due to poor economic conditions.

How do you make the jump from prostitution be legal to it being "rampant"?
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Because I am not sure if it is legal in Thailand thus the use of the word 'rampant'. If it is legal in thailand then sure inject the word 'legal'.

How exactly would legalization of prostitution in the U.S. cause "rampant" prostitution?
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So this is what you are going to resort to now? I mean, the insults have been amusing to a point but now you are just looking pathetic.
Do you admit you have no other argument here? You've already admitted you dont understand the term logic, so thats a start....

But you're right, looking at the subject subjectively certainly means that I must be a pimp, as you keep calling me

(by the way, insults are against the ATS TOC...I havent reported you yet but you might want to stop before someone does)

If we should really legislate morality (since all laws are more or less based on some common moral system), than it must be natural objective morality common and universal to all beings. That is obviously NOT morality based on abrahamic religions. But it can be determined using science and logic.

en.wikipedia.org...

"The first principle is the well-being of conscious creatures, from which we can build a science-based system of moral values by quantifying whether or not X increases or decreases well-being". Activities like lying or stealing, and even certain cultural values, for example, will be more morally "wrong" because they tend to cause more suffering than alternative group practices.[25]

Does voluntary prostitution decrease or increase overall well-being of conscious creatures? Obviously it increases it, both the customer and the prostitute are happier after it, otherwise they wont do it voluntarily. That means it is moral, and banning it is immoral.

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If someone is that insecure in their relationship then maybe they aren't ready to be in one.
Its like thinking you are gonna lose your spouse because a stripclub opened up.
Insecure without a doubt.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by hp1229
There are other means of boosting trade and economy and the GDP

Imagine US or any other country becoming another thailand where prostitution is rampant due to poor economic conditions.

How do you make the jump from prostitution be legal to it being "rampant"?
....

Because I am not sure if it is legal in Thailand thus the use of the word 'rampant'. If it is legal in thailand then sure inject the word 'legal'.

How exactly would legalization of prostitution in the U.S. cause "rampant" prostitution?
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Because sensationalism is the only thing this guy has to hold onto. Pretty obvious really.

post by hp1229

All right. So tell me, what exactly is bad about paying for sex? Both the prostitute and the customer get what they want. Its a win-win situation. True morality embraces consentual prostitution as a good thing.

There are other means of boosting trade and economy and the GDP Imagine US or any other country becoming another thailand where prostitution is rampant due to poor economic conditions.

I am not talking about the economy, but about the increased quality of life and happiness this would bring to participants. But you are right, even the economy will be a bit better off. As for Thailand, prostitution is legal in majority of developed world, but banned mostly in the third world. Do you want the US to become like one of those countries? en.wikipedia.org...rostitution_laws_of_the_world.PNG" target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Prostitution legality

Yes, of course it should be legal. The majority of people in the U.S. think it should be legal.

It is a case of a minority group being able to enforce its will on the majority.

I think we need to start taxing all churches, and that would be a good place to start.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by hp1229
There are other means of boosting trade and economy and the GDP

Imagine US or any other country becoming another thailand where prostitution is rampant due to poor economic conditions.

How do you make the jump from prostitution be legal to it being "rampant"?
....

Because I am not sure if it is legal in Thailand thus the use of the word 'rampant'. If it is legal in thailand then sure inject the word 'legal'.

How exactly would legalization of prostitution in the U.S. cause "rampant" prostitution?
....

It will as sex is integral part of the culture and a big money maker (legal or illegal) on the internet and media (tv, movies, magazines etc) in general.

Originally posted by Maslo

post by hp1229

 

All right. So tell me, what exactly is bad about paying for sex? Both the prostitute and the customer get what they want. Its a win-win situation. True morality embraces consentual prostitution as a good thing.

There are other means of boosting trade and economy and the GDP Imagine US or any other country becoming another thailand where prostitution is rampant due to poor economic conditions.

I am not talking about the economy, but about the increased quality of life and happiness this would bring to participants. But you are right, even the economy will be a bit better off. As for Thailand, prostitution is legal in majority of developed world, but banned mostly in the third world. Do you want the US to become like one of those countries? en.wikipedia.org...

rostitution_laws_of_the_world.PNG" target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Prostitution legality

edit on 28/3/11 by Maslo because: link

edit on 28/3/11 by Maslo because: (no reason given)

edit on 28/3/11 by Maslo because: screw it..

Definitely no. A strong and healthy economy should not be based on prostitution.

I disagree as per how prostitution will bring increased quality of life and happiness to the participants? Perhaps this is where the difference lies on what you define as happiness.

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Again, logic would dictate that you need more that "It will, I says so" as reasoning, if you are going to claim something as fact.

Do you have ANY evidence to back up your claim?

Originally posted by hp1229
It will as sex is integral part of the culture and a big money maker (legal or illegal) on the internet and media (tv, movies, magazines etc) in general.

How so? Is there data to back up this assertion?

I mean, if prostitution became legal tomorrow it doesn't mean I'm going to rush right out for those services. Nor do I suspect you or anyone else would.

In fact, since prostitution is illegal - thereby creating a black market with huge profit incentives - it's probably more rampant already than if it were legalized.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by hp1229

 

So this is what you are going to resort to now? I mean, the insults have been amusing to a point but now you are just looking pathetic.
Do you admit you have no other argument here? You've already admitted you dont understand the term logic, so thats a start....

But you're right, looking at the subject subjectively certainly means that I must be a pimp, as you keep calling me

(by the way, insults are against the ATS TOC...I havent reported you yet but you might want to stop before someone does)

I have plenty to discuss but there is no point since obviously you have a fixed view point and so do I. You've alreazdy admitted that you have a uncivilized logic. Once again you are trying very hard to drive your point across which only means that you expect me to believe everything you say and accept your logic. But I chose not to

My apologies if the clarification seemed as insult to you. I was only comparing the ideology that is normally portrayed by certain types of management(pimp) in a certain profession (prostitution) of the modern economy.

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It will as sex is integral part of the culture and a big money maker (legal or illegal) on the internet and media (tv, movies, magazines etc) in general.

Sex is integral part of the culture and big money maker in the whole western world. Western culture does not end outside US shores. Prostitution is legal over here, as in almost the whole Europe, and we have not deteriorated into some hedonistic dystopia. Why should it happen in the US, where, contrary to "godless" Europe, christian conservativism is still relatively dominant societal force?

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by hp1229
It will as sex is integral part of the culture and a big money maker (legal or illegal) on the internet and media (tv, movies, magazines etc) in general.

How so? Is there data to back up this assertion?

I mean, if prostitution became legal tomorrow it doesn't mean I'm going to rush right out for those services. Nor do I suspect you or anyone else would.

In fact, since prostitution is illegal - thereby creating a black market with huge profit incentives - it's probably more rampant already than if it were legalized.

True just like any other industry. However do you agree if this is a good way to make a living ?

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by hp1229

 

Again, logic would dictate that you need more that "It will, I says so" as reasoning, if you are going to claim something as fact.

Do you have ANY evidence to back up your claim?

Well. I can ask you the same questions. Do you have the evidence that legalized prostitution works for a country like US ?

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by hp1229

 

Again, logic would dictate that you need more that "It will, I says so" as reasoning, if you are going to claim something as fact.

Do you have ANY evidence to back up your claim?

Well. I can ask you the same questions. Do you have the evidence that legalized prostitution works for a country like US ?

Well, you don't want to see your mother in prison right?

As far as I aware in the UK it is quite legal for one prostitute to work from an indoor premises.

But if there are two or more prostitutes the place is then considered a brothel which is illegal, just as kerb crawling, pimping or soliciting trade on the street is illegal.

But working on your own as a prostitute from your own place or as an outcall escort (both male and female prostitutes) is quite legal in the UK.

Personally I would prefer the whole thing a lot more out in the open and regulated than driven underground, while keeping some aspects such as pimping or kerb crawling illegal.