prostitution should be legalized

Originally posted by XRaDiiX
reply to post by agentblue

 

That is a different subject altogether.

Why?

reply to post by Darkphoenix77

Fine, nobody said you could not find it unappealing that is your viewpoint. I do not believe that society is any more or any less corrupted to be honest. It is more like you would rather pretend it does not happen instead of accepting the fact that it does. I am all for a man courting a woman and romancing her and falling in love with the one person that makes your heart flutter, but realize that how I feel and how others feel is not the same. I have no right to force my morality on ANYONE else. If it was legalized and regulated he/she would be consenting to sex for money. Sex does not = rape. If it was legalized the only people who chose to get into the profession are the ones that would want to get into it in the first place.

Your logic is the same as implying a hit man does not suffer the consequences of murder people because its his job.
Its still murder.

Do you think a hitman should kill people because its his job?
Do you think a prostitute really wants to have sex with the men they are getting payed by? No they don't. I'm sure most of the women in prostitution are creeped out by slimy filthy pig men who use thier funds to molest and rape these women

Originally posted by XRaDiiX
reply to post by Darkphoenix77

 

Fine, nobody said you could not find it unappealing that is your viewpoint. I do not believe that society is any more or any less corrupted to be honest. It is more like you would rather pretend it does not happen instead of accepting the fact that it does. I am all for a man courting a woman and romancing her and falling in love with the one person that makes your heart flutter, but realize that how I feel and how others feel is not the same. I have no right to force my morality on ANYONE else. If it was legalized and regulated he/she would be consenting to sex for money. Sex does not = rape. If it was legalized the only people who chose to get into the profession are the ones that would want to get into it in the first place.

Your logic is the same as implying a hit man does not murder people because he its his job.
Its still murder

Do you really think sex is the same thing as murder?

Seriously???????

reply to post by captaintyinknots


Apparently having sex with a woman is, but not having sex with a man... Seeing as male prostitutes, and woman prostitutes are somehow different topics... It's like talking to a wall man.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Apparently having sex with a woman is, but not having sex with a man... Seeing as male prostitutes, and woman prostitutes are somehow different topics... It's like talking to a wall man.

I'm fairly convinced that this is someone from earlier in the thread, back under a different screen name to troll it.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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You know I wonder what would be the political ramifications if prostitution was legalized and it would no longer seem so unbecoming for members of Congress to get their fix of escort sex in seedy hotels. And while they are at it, no longer would there be an issue of underage pages? Talk about a slippery slope here.

You have to be kidding me. Legalizing prostitution essentially ELIMINATES child prostitution.

Well, I am not so certain that if society goes so far to legalize this practice, they will not lower the age of consent as well. I wonder if legalizing it will also keep underage out of the practice. Or will there simply still be a black market for underage? How about the agenda of the man/boy love thing going with all the parades and so on...do you not see where this is all going?

And again, in India, girls are betrothed to men often by the time they are 4, and married quite early. Check this out en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Schrecken Licht
I think prostitution should be legalized but with plenty of restrictions, moral reasons aside. Just from a law enforcement standpoint, you would have an immediate and massive diversion of police resources away from chasing and arresting participants in these sexual transactions onto crimes that need to be dealt with.

There's an old saying "strain at a gnat to swallow a fly", which basically means that a huge amount of effort is wasted in going after insignificant things while allowing the big stuff in life to languish. That's IMO exactly the role of law enforcement wherever (especially here in the US) prostitution is illegal. Then there's also the blatant hypocrisy of what is and isn't rendered illegal. another example: alcohol is freely available to anyone over 21 years of age, yet pot (thus far) can only be had under limited circumstances by what few states allow "medical " marijuana. Now how many people die from alcohol abuse (motor vehicle accidents, homicides, overdoses, etc) as compared to the use of pot?

But of course something can't be made legal simply because trying to stamp it out overtaxes law enforcement resources. One has to weigh the pros and cons of whatever action or substance we are talking about. As I noted, alcohol causes untold misery (coming personally from a person who was raised by an alcoholic stepfather who often made my childhood life unbearable as well as my mom's life while she was married to him) but yet as a society we are willing to tolerate these issues so that alcohol is still available to most adults (with many necessary regulations, of course). I don't think prostitution would be any worse in that regard if it were legal. I would personally be far more interested in police tracking down and arresting a rapist or child molester rather than some woman who is charging a man for sex in a motel room somewhere in town.

That said, legal prostitution (especially if federally legalized) would have to have some stringent regulations on the wheres, the whens and the whos, among other things. I don't think most people would want their child going to school right next door to a brothel, for instance. Nor would most churches, synagogues or mosques want to have a "house of ill repute" set up shop next door to them. Or, I doubt even an ordinary business district (with shopping centers and industrial/office complexes) would want to have that sort of business going on near them. So such legal sex trade would have to be specially zoned to specific areas in any given town or city. But other businesses are also subject to zoning restrictions.

As for the moral issues, I personally think prostitution is wrong but it is my choice not to be involved in it. There are other very legal things I think are morally wrong (such as children being born out of wedlock; it's very sad that nearly a third of children born here in the US are "bastards" these days; marriage is being thrown under the bus these days like nothing else going) but I really have no say in what other people do so it's not up to me to try and interfere in others' business (if I had a relative or friend who was a prostitute or had a child out of wedlock I would support them personally but not those choices they have made, for instance). And as for prostitution leading married men astray, that's a lot of BS. Men who are philanderers are just that - they will stray because it's the way they are (indeed, some studies claim a genetic link to philandering) and because of their own personal flaws, not because there are lots of hot hookers out there to tempt them.

At the end of the day you really can't bend other people to your own morals (even if you make such behavior illegal); but what you can do is to follow your own morals and values and teach those to any children you have. Just because all of these things are out there and legal doesn't mean people have to avail themselves of them.

Well thought out post, I don't agree with everything you said but it is refreshing to see someone state thier opinion civilly and respectfully.

Originally posted by XRaDiiX
reply to post by Jinglelord

 

Sorry but you wouldn't know anymore than me unless you were a prostitute yourself.
Second line

I think we all sell things of ourselves from time to time to make the ends come together. Things we might rather not have sold. I believe sex workers in the US do this less than the average worker at a job they hate. (I'm lucky I finally have a job I like)

As far as not knowing more than you unless I was one I disagree. I might not know more about being a sex worker than a sex worker does but I definitely know way more than the average person having spent long hours interviewing and befriending sex workers. Not to mention many years of studying anthropology of gender and typical gender roles worldwide.

I'd say my knowledge base on the subject likely surpasses yours.

Common moral fiber is a term that goes both ways, but you choose to see only your side.

How is it that prostitutes are not seen as having any, Common Moral Fiber as you state and are treated as animals and not protected by the law?

Explain this to us, please.

Originally posted by minesweeper

It’s good to see your finally getting what I’m saying. Yes there are laws on the books at this time, but my point is what is to stop those laws from changing for the worse when the common moral fiber, the same fiber that keeps us protecting the children and their future breaks down. We all have to come to a common understanding and draw the line in the sand somewhere of what is right and wrong for the society in a whole. That can not be accomplished without some sort of guideline and forethought.

I'm just gonna say it ALOT of you really need to go out and get a hooker, it might help you chill a bit...

(yeah yeah there goes the off topic flag...)

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


There is already a blackmarket for the underage group though. Legalizing overage prostitution might cut back the demand, I am sure some people would rather go the legal route, if it was there. Seeing as it is all illegal now, they figure they might as well risk the jailtime for the age they prefer.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

You know I wonder what would be the political ramifications if prostitution was legalized and it would no longer seem so unbecoming for members of Congress to get their fix of escort sex in seedy hotels. And while they are at it, no longer would there be an issue of underage pages? Talk about a slippery slope here.

You have to be kidding me. Legalizing prostitution essentially ELIMINATES child prostitution.

Well, I am not so certain that if society goes so far to legalize this practice, they will not lower the age of consent as well. I wonder if legalizing it will also keep underage out of the practice. Or will there simply still be a black market for underage? How about the agenda of the man/boy love thing going with all the parades and so on...do you not see where this is all going?

Age of consent is, and always will be a states rights issue. As is prostitution. It is 16 in most states. The trend has been upward, not downward.

Im sure there will be a black market for the underage, just as there is now. That black market would become MUCH smaller, though, based on what we see from the places that it is legal and well regulated.



There is a VERY large different between legalizing prostitution and legalizing child abuse. Comparing the two is a very large reach.

Originally posted by ScorpioRising

First of all I am 28yrs old and happily looking after my hubby and two daughters with a very FIRM grip on reality.
Please do not try and patronize or insult me. I did not once throw an insult at you or anyone else for that matter. You just made yourself look bad.

How does it dehumanize them if they choose to do it, enjoy it and love the ability to live a comfortable life while all us mugs slog it out for little return?

Your distorted view of prostitution shows how naive you are. That's not blatant name-calling, it's calling someone out for what they are. You don't think someone could CHOOSE to dehumanize themselves due to lack of pride? Wrong. Or, since you think it's such an exciting, glamorous lifestyle, why not be one yourself?

I happen to know a few people that are 'prostitutes' and one of my best friends is a pole and lap dancer. Guess what, they LOVE it. They do not suffer from self esteem issues or any of that rubbish. In fact they are all very happy in their skin and with themselves, why else do you think they CHOOSE the professions they have? The are not 'skanks' or riddled with diseases. They pick and choose their clients and if they want a week off they get one. They are their own boss.

Anyone who degrades themselves DOES suffer from self-esteem issues, no matter how you twist it. I'd bet millions they have a history of sexual abuse, whether or not they choose to admit it.

Yes men and women have different sex drives, not ALL women enjoy sex and not ALL men do either which is a shock to some. Yes that leads to 'visits' (by both sexes btw) but also sometimes people want to try something different or maybe they prefer the hassle free ease of it. No strings and all that.

This points out how superficial and self-indulgent our culture is. All human beings are to each other is a chunk of meat...they only exist as physical bodies. There's no mind, thoughts, or intellect. People are merely 1-dimensional beings. There's no such thing as intimacy and bonding for most. Thank goodness this culture will be replaced by others.

I never said men were victimised. Merely played.

How exactly are they 'played'? When they're willing to pay for sex, they are not duped in any way. The only scenario I can think of is when women get married and have kids with a man and then file for divorce, and through 'no-fault divorce', get monthly child support and have the children grow up in dysfunction. Yeah..that's really something to be proud of.

Keeping prostitution a back alley profession is keeping it dangerous. It has been around since virtually forever and no attempts at getting rid of it have ever worked. It continues on and will do till the end of time. Isn't it safer to legalise and regulate?

Once again, I don't agree with molding the legal system in such a way in order to cater to deadbeats who can't get a real job. When women choose to prostitute themselves, they are willingly taking on all the risks that go along with it. The fact that prostitution is so ancient does not in any way legitimize it. Our society is supposed to be progressing.

I don't want to live in any society where prostitution is a mainstream 'business'. A society that values women instead of looking at them as replaceable objects is ideal.

reply to post by Jinglelord


bigotry

Originally posted by XRaDiiX
reply to post by Darkphoenix77

 

Fine, nobody said you could not find it unappealing that is your viewpoint. I do not believe that society is any more or any less corrupted to be honest. It is more like you would rather pretend it does not happen instead of accepting the fact that it does. I am all for a man courting a woman and romancing her and falling in love with the one person that makes your heart flutter, but realize that how I feel and how others feel is not the same. I have no right to force my morality on ANYONE else. If it was legalized and regulated he/she would be consenting to sex for money. Sex does not = rape. If it was legalized the only people who chose to get into the profession are the ones that would want to get into it in the first place.

Your logic is the same as implying a hit man does not suffer the consequences of murder people because its his job.
Its still murder.

Do you think a hitman should kill people because its his job?
Do you think a prostitute really wants to have sex with the men they are getting payed by? No they don't. I'm sure most of the women in prostitution are creeped out by slimy filthy pig men who use thier funds to molest and rape these women

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edit on 28-3-2011 by XRaDiiX because: (no reason given)

Murder for hire and prostitution is not even in the same ball park. Murder = crime with a victim. Legalized prostitution would not be a crime and there would be no victim.

reply to post by HarmonicNights


Harmonic me and you are the only non sub-humans in here the rest of them actually glorify the fact that women are abused and sold for money. SICK world we live in

reply to post by captaintyinknots


I fail to see how making adult prostitution legal reduces the black market for underage? Cmon people this is getting silly.

Originally posted by XRaDiiX
reply to post by HarmonicNights

 

Harmonic me and you are the only non sub-humans in here the rest of them actually glorify the fact that women are abused and sold for money. SICK world we live in

Thanks a lot! Are my posts invisible?

reply to post by TKDRL


The reality of it is that not everyone is of the same value. A society that has this mindset is bound for dysfunction and eventual failure. People will be anything and do anything they want because they are still "special" no matter what and will not receive any flack for it. Give me a break. Our society has become so pathetic and emasculated.

Once again, I don't agree with molding the legal system in such a way in order to cater to deadbeats who can't get a real job. When women choose to prostitute themselves, they are willingly taking on all the risks that go along with it. The fact that prostitution is so ancient does not in any way legitimize it. Our society is supposed to be progressing.

I don't want to live in any society where prostitution is a mainstream 'business'. A society that values women instead of looking at them as replaceable objects is ideal.


Saying this would not be progression of society is your point of view, not everyone else's. If it was legalized by state legislature you would have the option of going where it would not be legal as I really do not think all 50 states would agree on legalizing it.