prostitution should be legalized

What I state is exactly how the law will deal with these issues.

Even today we have laws with age of consent, that is duly enforced in all states. If you break the law in the USA or Canada you go to jail.

I find it sad that Thailand turns there backs on this, but they do have laws and choose not to enforce them.

But we can agree on one thing child prostitution is beyond comprehension, since we are supposed to protect them as adults.

Originally posted by minesweeper

Your right I have no legal training but I do have a grasp on logic, with that aside I was pointing out your close mindedness and over use of the words invalid logic. This “slippery slope” label you gave my post is a fancy way of saying you don’t want to agree with me on the possibilities of the future and anything I say has no baring, epic fail on your part. In Thailand sex with children is practically legal and in Washington state sex with animals is legal if I remember correctly, now tell me what is to stop the spread if people don’t come to a moral common ground.


Never mind, it looks as though you have left rather than face reality and real logic. Again epic fail on your part.

edit on 28-3-2011 by minesweeper because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by HarmonicNights

Originally posted by ScorpioRising.

Stop spouting all this 'dehumanises' women nonsense. What, women can't think for themselves?

Yes. They choose to dehumanize themselves as a result of little to no pride and self-respect. You'd have to be downright naive to think otherwise.

YOU are making out that women are incapable of making choices and are meant to be good lil housewifes who go to church every sunday and never have any excitement in their lives.

How old are you? 12? You have a very loose grip on reality. Prostitution is not this glamorous, exciting lifestyle that entertainment makes it out to be.

All you womens lib types should be proud! Women now manipulate men out of their money by offering sex because men are so easy to tempt (usually)!
Who looks the weaker sex?!

I'm an anti-feminist, hon. The degradation of women is a direct result of 'women's lib'. You think men are somehow victimized by women who will spread their legs at the snap of a finger? Older men of today largely wish they could be young men in this day and age b/c of these 'sexually liberated' women. Only men benefit from this...women suffer from it. You are right that men are the sexually inferior sex, but women lose their sexual superiority when they reduce themselves to the superficial, short-term sexuality of men. As I suggested earlier, read 'Sexual Suicide' by George Gilder to get a larger picture of this destruction taking place.

A very important thing that you and a lot of others need to realize is that there is more to life than buying and spending. So far the only arguments in favor of prostitution have been largely superficial. This self-indulgent, dollar-worshipping culture doesn't deserve to continue.

Believe it or not women enjoy sex JUST AS MUCH AS MEN!

If men and women had the same sex drive, there would be no need for prostitutes in the first place.

First of all I am 28yrs old and happily looking after my hubby and two daughters with a very FIRM grip on reality.
Please do not try and patronize or insult me. I did not once throw an insult at you or anyone else for that matter. You just made yourself look bad.

How does it dehumanize them if they choose to do it, enjoy it and love the ability to live a comfortable life while all us mugs slog it out for little return?

I am far from naive and have probably been through and seen more s**t in my lil life than you judging by your posts I've seen on this thread. If I am wrong fair enough.
See how easy it is to make assumptions about someone you don't know?

I happen to know a few people that are 'prostitutes' and one of my best friends is a pole and lap dancer. Guess what, they LOVE it. They do not suffer from self esteem issues or any of that rubbish. In fact they are all very happy in their skin and with themselves, why else do you think they CHOOSE the professions they have? The are not 'skanks' or riddled with diseases. They pick and choose their clients and if they want a week off they get one. They are their own boss.

Yes men and women have different sex drives, not ALL women enjoy sex and not ALL men do either which is a shock to some. Yes that leads to 'visits' (by both sexes btw) but also sometimes people want to try something different or maybe they prefer the hassle free ease of it. No strings and all that.

I never said men were victimised. Merely played.

Keeping prostitution a back alley profession is keeping it dangerous. It has been around since virtually forever and no attempts at getting rid of it have ever worked. It continues on and will do till the end of time. Isn't it safer to legalise and regulate?

Originally posted by HarmonicNights
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Yes, it's service. But don't be so snide as to compare prostitution to hard workers who have learned a skill or carft in order to actually HELP people rather than let a deadbeat who can't get laid for free get off in you.

^ apparently 75% of the people in this thread resort to this I agree with Harmonic i find it revolting that a man would do this to a women it doesn't matter if she has to or wants to do it for monetary gain the society has become corrupted against human nature of a man winning over a women naturally; instead men like these have to pay to rape a women. Because when she is given the money she is obliged to consent to rape. The women in reality to not want to have sex with these men

here was discussion about whether or not companies should be able to deny health plans to those who were obese and smokers, or to make them pay higher amounts due to the liability to the company of their lifestyle choices.

That too me is just really wrong in my opinion

reply to post by HarmonicNights


Yes, I learned a craft, I don't look down on unskilled laborers like a lot of skilled laborers do though. I don't look down on people who dig ditches so masons can build their retaining walls etc. I don't look down on people, to do that I would have to also think there were people above me as well. I believe everyone is equal and valuable in their own way.

Originally posted by HarmonicNights
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Yes, it's service. But don't be so snide as to compare prostitution to hard workers who have learned a skill or carft in order to actually HELP people rather than let a deadbeat who can't get laid for free get off in you.

I'd challenge you to ask any prostitute, or porn star for that matter, if they work hard. If they have learned skills in their field. Probably moreso than MANY of the fields out there.

I guarantee anyone in the profession would take quite an exception at the idea that they dont work hard.

I would like to ask you why you have such a loathing for prostitutes. Not prostitution, but the actual workers. Is there some reason you generalize every single one the way you do?

Because its simply inaccurate.

Originally posted by Jinglelord
reply to post by HarmonicNights

 

Don't be so snide as to assume just because someone decides to pay for it that they can't get it for "free" (no such thing).

Any way you twist it, men who rent prostitutes are loosers who don't value women.

Also don't assume women who choose this as a profession don't work hard and don't require certain skills that are indeed learned.

reply to post by XRaDiiX


You are wrong. I can assume you haven't spent much time hanging out with sex workers in the US. If you had you would know that more than a few of these statements are not only fallacious but clearly misogynistic assuming that a woman has neither the ability to decide what they want or to enjoy sex.

Originally posted by HarmonicNights

Originally posted by Jinglelord
reply to post by HarmonicNights

 

Don't be so snide as to assume just because someone decides to pay for it that they can't get it for "free" (no such thing).

Any way you twist it, men who rent prostitutes are loosers who don't value women.

Also don't assume women who choose this as a profession don't work hard and don't require certain skills that are indeed learned.

Twisting it makes it looser? interesting....

I agree that if a woman has the right to kill a baby because "its her body" she should have the right to do what ever she wants with her body for profits or not, but there are a few other issues with prostitution that would have to be dealt with. First, the women are often not in control of their situation. Their body usually stops being theirs and becomes their pimp's. I don't think anybody could argue that slavery is acceptable in any situation. Second, std's are not cool man. Third, people who pay for sex with prostitutes aren't always stable. The working women are often subjected to terrible violence. So, if highly regulated agencies can be made that give the girls fair contracts, regularly test for std's, and place armed guards on each girl at all times then yes prostitution should be legal.

reply to post by Ariess


If it were legalized, there would be brothels, no more pimps. Brothels test for STD often, they are legit businesses and like any business, they want a clean reputation. They also value their workers, so they are well protected from abuse.

Originally posted by Ariess
I agree that if a woman has the right to kill a baby because "its her body" she should have the right to do what ever she wants with her body for profits or not, but there are a few other issues with prostitution that would have to be dealt with. First, the women are often not in control of their situation. Their body usually stops being theirs and becomes their pimp's. I don't think anybody could argue that slavery is acceptable in any situation. Second, std's are not cool man. Third, people who pay for sex with prostitutes aren't always stable. The working women are often subjected to terrible violence. So, if highly regulated agencies can be made that give the girls fair contracts, regularly test for std's, and place armed guards on each girl at all times then yes prostitution should be legal.

Please research regulated prostitution then come on back.

I think prostitution should be legalized but with plenty of restrictions, moral reasons aside. Just from a law enforcement standpoint, you would have an immediate and massive diversion of police resources away from chasing and arresting participants in these sexual transactions onto crimes that need to be dealt with.

There's an old saying "strain at a gnat to swallow a fly", which basically means that a huge amount of effort is wasted in going after insignificant things while allowing the big stuff in life to languish. That's IMO exactly the role of law enforcement wherever (especially here in the US) prostitution is illegal. Then there's also the blatant hypocrisy of what is and isn't rendered illegal. another example: alcohol is freely available to anyone over 21 years of age, yet pot (thus far) can only be had under limited circumstances by what few states allow "medical " marijuana. Now how many people die from alcohol abuse (motor vehicle accidents, homicides, overdoses, etc) as compared to the use of pot?

But of course something can't be made legal simply because trying to stamp it out overtaxes law enforcement resources. One has to weigh the pros and cons of whatever action or substance we are talking about. As I noted, alcohol causes untold misery (coming personally from a person who was raised by an alcoholic stepfather who often made my childhood life unbearable as well as my mom's life while she was married to him) but yet as a society we are willing to tolerate these issues so that alcohol is still available to most adults (with many necessary regulations, of course). I don't think prostitution would be any worse in that regard if it were legal. I would personally be far more interested in police tracking down and arresting a rapist or child molester rather than some woman who is charging a man for sex in a motel room somewhere in town.

That said, legal prostitution (especially if federally legalized) would have to have some stringent regulations on the wheres, the whens and the whos, among other things. I don't think most people would want their child going to school right next door to a brothel, for instance. Nor would most churches, synagogues or mosques want to have a "house of ill repute" set up shop next door to them. Or, I doubt even an ordinary business district (with shopping centers and industrial/office complexes) would want to have that sort of business going on near them. So such legal sex trade would have to be specially zoned to specific areas in any given town or city. But other businesses are also subject to zoning restrictions.

As for the moral issues, I personally think prostitution is wrong but it is my choice not to be involved in it. There are other very legal things I think are morally wrong (such as children being born out of wedlock; it's very sad that nearly a third of children born here in the US are "bastards" these days; marriage is being thrown under the bus these days like nothing else going) but I really have no say in what other people do so it's not up to me to try and interfere in others' business (if I had a relative or friend who was a prostitute or had a child out of wedlock I would support them personally but not those choices they have made, for instance). And as for prostitution leading married men astray, that's a lot of BS. Men who are philanderers are just that - they will stray because it's the way they are (indeed, some studies claim a genetic link to philandering) and because of their own personal flaws, not because there are lots of hot hookers out there to tempt them.

At the end of the day you really can't bend other people to your own morals (even if you make such behavior illegal); but what you can do is to follow your own morals and values and teach those to any children you have. Just because all of these things are out there and legal doesn't mean people have to avail themselves of them.

Originally posted by Realtruth
What I state is exactly how the law will deal with these issues.

Even today we have laws with age of consent, that is duly enforced in all states. If you break the law in the USA or Canada you go to jail.

I find it sad that Thailand turns there backs on this, but they do have laws and choose not to enforce them.

But we can agree on one thing child prostitution is beyond comprehension, since we are supposed to protect them as adults.

Originally posted by minesweeper



Your right I have no legal training but I do have a grasp on logic, with that aside I was pointing out your close mindedness and over use of the words invalid logic. This “slippery slope” label you gave my post is a fancy way of saying you don’t want to agree with me on the possibilities of the future and anything I say has no baring, epic fail on your part. In Thailand sex with children is practically legal and in Washington state sex with animals is legal if I remember correctly, now tell me what is to stop the spread if people don’t come to a moral common ground.


Never mind, it looks as though you have left rather than face reality and real logic. Again epic fail on your part.

edit on 28-3-2011 by minesweeper because: (no reason given)

It’s good to see your finally getting what I’m saying. Yes there are laws on the books at this time, but my point is what is to stop those laws from changing for the worse when the common moral fiber, the same fiber that keeps us protecting the children and their future breaks down. We all have to come to a common understanding and draw the line in the sand somewhere of what is right and wrong for the society in a whole. That can not be accomplished without some sort of guideline and forethought.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


one hour drive is in the same post. Honestly from here you can drive to every corner o my country in two .5 hours
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reply to post by XRaDiiX


hey what about male prostitutes called gigilos??? I loved being a gigilo and decided to stop when i turned 25!! I paid my way through college and bought a house with that money. I am married now and that is the only reason I quit. I was a straight gigilo and no i didn't have gay sex and all the girls I knew and worked along side with all got to pick and choose their clients. I don't look down at it at all and it was a young man's dream job!

reply to post by Jinglelord


Sorry but you wouldn't know anymore than me unless you were a prostitute yourself.
Second line

Originally posted by XRaDiiX

Originally posted by HarmonicNights
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Yes, it's service. But don't be so snide as to compare prostitution to hard workers who have learned a skill or carft in order to actually HELP people rather than let a deadbeat who can't get laid for free get off in you.

^ apparently 75% of the people in this thread resort to this I agree with Harmonic i find it revolting that a man would do this to a women it doesn't matter if she has to or wants to do it for monetary gain the society has become corrupted against human nature of a man winning over a women naturally; instead men like these have to pay to rape a women. Because when she is given the money she is obliged to consent to rape. The women in reality to not want to have sex with these men

Fine, nobody said you could not find it unappealing that is your viewpoint. I do not believe that society is any more or any less corrupted to be honest. It is more like you would rather pretend it does not happen instead of accepting the fact that it does. I am all for a man courting a woman and romancing her and falling in love with the one person that makes your heart flutter, but realize that how I feel and how others feel is not the same. I have no right to force my morality on ANYONE else. If it was legalized and regulated he/she would be consenting to sex for money. Sex does not = rape. If it was legalized the only people who chose to get into the profession are the ones that would want to get into it in the first place.

reply to post by XRaDiiX


IT. IS. NOT. RAPE. IF. THERE. IS. CONSENT.

Sorry but this is bugging me. Look up the definition of rape please.
I understand that you have a VERY strong opinion against the subject at hand but please please try and use words with correct definition. You would get your point across so much better

reply to post by agentblue


That is a different subject altogether.