prostitution should be legalized

Originally posted by DrumsRfun
reply to post by hp1229

 

Well I see what stance you are arguing from.
I don't want to be either a father or a husband.
I also don't want people telling me if its moral or what I should or shouldn't be doing.
You are not talking to your wife or your kids...you are talking to a grown adult who refuses to live how you do.
I respect your way of life and will never condemn it...I hope the feeling is mutual and non-judgemental.

You got it

However there is nothing one can do if the grown up refuses to live the way you do. In the end the rest is left to the Destiny to takes its course and action and for the individual to go through a self realization down the road when they get old.

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by DrumsRfun
reply to post by hp1229

 

I know off the top of my head right now 3 girls who actually enjoy being treated like porn stars.
One even says...she doesn't watch porn...she is porn.
Some like strange things....I however don't find it strange and am glad women like this exist.
If they were prostitutes by their own choice would you judge them of being low moral and low self-esteem?
If you knew them you wouldn't,they just love sex.

I agree. It is not their fault. The society has changed to such an extent that it seems like a no big thing to them. Can you imagine the women back lets say 70 years ago acting the same ?

edit on 28-3-2011 by hp1229 because: (no reason given)

Do you have an issue with the FACT that men acted this way 70 years ago, and were cheered for it (and still are, to this day?)

No. I'm not even sure if it was a FACT (maybe it was the backward societies

). I dont have any issue with anyone as per how they acted or behaved some 70 years ago. I am simply stating my point that things have changed over the time and what used to be a culture shock isnt a culture shock anymore.

Wow. Just wow.

Have you ever thought of learning about a subject before you spout off? Are you seriously claiming that being boisterous about male conquests hasnt been cheered in this country for generations?

It is only culture shock because of outright prejudice. To anyone who understands equality and tolerance, there is no shock involved.

I beg to disagree
To many young girls are forced into prostitution...
far to often I have seen or heard stories children being forced into that life style...

Nope you just asking to for trouble and compounding to their exploitation...

the real answer laying in better education... give these kids the chance they deserve... rather than fall back on some lame old excuse...

at the some of the responses here. Like it's the end of civilization. It's been legal in here for ages and don't see any social degrading as result.

Originally posted by DaddyBare
I beg to disagree
To many young girls are forced into prostitution...
far to often I have seen or heard stories children being forced into that life style...

Nope you just asking to for trouble and compounding to their exploitation...

the real answer laying in better education... give these kids the chance they deserve... rather than fall back on some lame old excuse...

Again, if legal and regulated, this all but eliminates the underage issue.

And for the record, no one is advocating child prostitution.

reply to post by TheAmused


In any free society, yes, they should both be legal. People (should) have the right to do what they want with their own body, regardless of what everyone "else" thinks. It doesn't affect them in any way, so why do they care so much?

- I don't like it when people haven't showered and they sit next to me on the bus, but I wouldn't try to impose my will on them and make BO illegal
- I don't like the way hipsters dress with their thick glasses and their skinny jeans, but again, I would never try to impose my will on them and make their fashion habits illegal
- I'm in no way excited by the idea of sex with another man, yet if two other gentlemen wish to respectfully do that behind closed doors, who the hell am I to impose any kind of laws against them?

Same thing goes for prostitution. I have no desire to go out and pay for sex, myself. However, there are people that want to, and, on top of that (no pun intended), there are people willing to provide the service. So who's to say "no you can't go out and do something that harms no-one but yourselves, regardless if your aware of the consequences."

If we are imposing laws, well then I propose the same to the pharmaceutical companies who pay people to test out their products. If you ask me, that's a pretty straight forward example of whoring yourself (selling your body).

I'm not, however, condoning prostitution. Far from it. I think it's pretty disgusting. However, there are other's that want to provide and pay for the service... so who am I to impose my 'preferences' on them?

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Are we? All I am seeing from you are strawmen and attempts to make this a personal and emotional based argument. You are presenting NOTHING of fact. It is a tactic in debate when you cannot respond, when your stance is lost, to deflect, to make emotional based arguments, and to ignore altogether. You are using ALL of these tactics.

1)As a parent to a minor, you absolutely have the right to guide, even force your children. When it comes to consenting adults, you have no such right, and to think you do is disgusting. Marriage does not mean you control your partner. It is not your responsibility to control what they do. That is called being arrogant, and bordering on mentally abusive.

2)If your spouse decides to become a prostitute, why do you assume that it is about seeking something outside of the marriage, and not about making a good living?

3)As a parent, you have every right to steer your child in whatever direction you wish. But the directions you wish to steer your child may not be the same as the direction someone else wants to steer theirs. What gives you the right to make that decision for them?

4)I dont feel the need to divulge any personal information on this site. I will tell you that yes, I do have people in my life that I am responsible for. Thats as far as I am going, as I know better than to give someone who is using emotionally based and personal arguments any ammunition to use to get me emotional about it.

Thankyou. That explains it all.

I am not asking to make the decision as a husband/parent but only assist and help make a decision that is right. In the end, do the right thing is the goal. Also when I indicate 'control' or 'controlling' it does not mean that every situation requires it. Only the actions that are profound and the one's that possibly requires it when we compare it with the normal and nuclear family structure. Certainly the lifestyles of the rich and famous is not what I'm referring to in my discussion. If I make a wrong decision, it is my wife's responsibility to stop me including my chidlren's responsibility as grown up adults to remind me if things are out of line. Caring and voicing opinion and attempt to steer someone to do the right thing is not control. If one made constant decisions for a spouse or children then it is controlling or dictating their lives. The society and laws are such that we cannot even good old fashioned spank our children once in a while anymore nor can we yell at them in public due to the fear of the law. The social envelope of liberalization keeps getting pushed and pushed to the point that nothing seems to be shocking anymore

It is legal, although it goes by many names...trophy wives, boy toys, sugar daddies, etc.

Seriously though, I'm with the OP. Legalize it, tax it, make it safer for both parties. It's ridiculous it is still illegal with two consenting adults.

If we were to legalize prostitution we would have a huge rise in disease. More then we already have today. Then it would provoke young adults to just sell themselves especially in this economy...Basically the world would turn into a huge disease infested orgy! Gross.

It already is legal in a sense. Go to any bar or nightclub and you will find plenty of chicks that, after you buy them 5 or 6 $10 cocktails, will go home with you and engage in wild monkey sex.

Prostitution is already legal and its called porn.........sex for money


Prostitution should not be legalised though because of the threat to women on the streets and the diseases that would be inevitable.The only reason why most women are on the streets ruining their lives is because they have no other means of earning money or have been thrown into the prostitution ring.

Oh and NO woman has the right to have an abortion! she has the right to use her body as she wishes but why use it to concieve an unwanted child? it goes against the choice she made by having unprotected sex in the first place and my overall attitude is that you must think before you act and everyone is a winner.

If prostitution is legalised then society will fall further into the abyss............things are already bad enough in this world.

reply to post by sayNOtoROBOTS


All statistics and information we have available points to just the opposite conclusion. My post at the top of page 5 or 6 shows Netherland's statistics compared to the US...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by hp1229


Thankyou. That explains it all.

I am not asking to make the decision as a husband/parent but only assist and help make a decision that is right. In the end, do the right thing is the goal. Also when I indicate 'control' or 'controlling' it does not mean that every situation requires it. Only the actions that are profound and the one's that possibly requires it when we compare it with the normal and nuclear family structure. Certainly the lifestyles of the rich and famous is not what I'm referring to in my discussion. If I make a wrong decision, it is my wife's responsibility to stop me including my chidlren's responsibility as grown up adults to remind me if things are out of line. Caring and voicing opinion and attempt to steer someone to do the right thing is not control. If one made constant decisions for a spouse or children then it is controlling or dictating their lives. The society and laws are such that we cannot even good old fashioned spank our children once in a while anymore nor can we yell at them in public due to the fear of the law. The social envelope of liberalization keeps getting pushed and pushed to the point that nothing seems to be shocking anymore

1)Who decides what the right thing is? You? Me? Your god? You keep talking about steering them to make the right decision, but what if prostitution IS the right decision for them?

2)It is absolutely the place of a family to try and steer another memeber in a different direction if they feel strongly about it. That is far diffrent than 'not letting' them do it, which is what you said. As I said many pages ago, I would certainly try and talk a family member out of it. But if they are an adult, who CHOOSES to make that decision, I have no right to stop them, no matter what. No adult has the right to control what another adult does with their body. Perhaps if your wife decides to do it, you dont want to be with her anymore. That is your CHOICE. But you have no right to force anyone either way.

3)So you are against prostitution, but pro-physical and verbal child abuse. That is a VERY interesting dichotomy.

4)I'm not biting on the political bait there. Its isnt about liberals or conservatives. Nice try though.

News flash *******

Prostitution is legal !!!

What is not is soliciting sexual favors for money and Holding a bordello.

You can hire a prostitute and bring her home in all legality. As long as it is not in a place that is for the purpose of engaging in sexual acts ( ie bordello of HER hotel room ). That's how it was explained to me by a lawyer in this Province ( Quebec) anyways !

Originally posted by DaddyBare
I beg to disagree
To many young girls are forced into prostitution...
far to often I have seen or heard stories children being forced into that life style...

Nope you just asking to for trouble and compounding to their exploitation...

the real answer laying in better education... give these kids the chance they deserve... rather than fall back on some lame old excuse...

if it is forced, of course we agree this is illegal because .... do I have to explain ???
of course better education is necessary, but in USA where $$$ greed is omnipotence, education looks like religious bulls.... so .... education = very important but humanity up there has to be learned first !

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by DrumsRfun
reply to post by hp1229

 

I know off the top of my head right now 3 girls who actually enjoy being treated like porn stars.
One even says...she doesn't watch porn...she is porn.
Some like strange things....I however don't find it strange and am glad women like this exist.
If they were prostitutes by their own choice would you judge them of being low moral and low self-esteem?
If you knew them you wouldn't,they just love sex.

I agree. It is not their fault. The society has changed to such an extent that it seems like a no big thing to them. Can you imagine the women back lets say 70 years ago acting the same ?

edit on 28-3-2011 by hp1229 because: (no reason given)

Do you have an issue with the FACT that men acted this way 70 years ago, and were cheered for it (and still are, to this day?)

No. I'm not even sure if it was a FACT (maybe it was the backward societies

). I dont have any issue with anyone as per how they acted or behaved some 70 years ago. I am simply stating my point that things have changed over the time and what used to be a culture shock isnt a culture shock anymore.

Wow. Just wow.

Have you ever thought of learning about a subject before you spout off? Are you seriously claiming that being boisterous about male conquests hasnt been cheered in this country for generations?

It is only culture shock because of outright prejudice. To anyone who understands equality and tolerance, there is no shock involved.

Not everything in life has to be learnt before boisting. Somethings are common sense. I am not claiming that male conquests hasnt been cheered in this country for generations. Infact it is still a male dominated society upto certain extent. My point above with culture shock was with reference to the women 70 years ago vs now.

I guess most prostitutes just LUUUUV giving it up.

The thing is most don't have any to begin with, you lose it when you are assaulted at a young age, Like I was,

folks, rather than quoting posts with quotes in them, either cull out the comments that pertain to your next response or use the reply to button.

thank you

Originally posted by Sunlionspirit

Originally posted by DaddyBare
I beg to disagree
To many young girls are forced into prostitution...
far to often I have seen or heard stories children being forced into that life style...

Nope you just asking to for trouble and compounding to their exploitation...

the real answer laying in better education... give these kids the chance they deserve... rather than fall back on some lame old excuse...

if it is forced, of course we agree this is illegal because .... do I have to explain ???
of course better education is necessary, but in USA where $$$ greed is omnipotence, education looks like religious bulls.... so .... education = very important but humanity up there has to be learned first !

Kudos. You typed the big word Humanity.

Humanity and the human factor is whats missing from the grand scheme of things upto certain extent.

Originally posted by hp1229



Not everything in life has to be learnt before boisting. Somethings are common sense. I am not claiming that male conquests hasnt been cheered in this country for generations. Infact it is still a male dominated society upto certain extent. My point above with culture shock was with reference to the women 70 years ago vs now.

Naw, but you probably ought to know something on the subject. Which you clearly dont. You used Thailand as an example of what legal prostitution does. You Didnt know it was legal in the Netherlands. You claimed the Netherlands must have a broken economy and society. You dont think men have been boisterous with their sexuality in history.


How many more false statements can you make?