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Funny, yes as a way to describe that fact that they did know about these things for a while, and the fact that these have been classified not as brown dwarfs, but the failure of a star or a brown dwarf. Timing is everything, they know when to release this information and they know when to hold on to the cards...
Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by Sky watcher
There is no new large object out there. If it were within the orbit of Jupiter it would be easily visible to the named eye. Nothing could be hidden. The planets would not be where they are supposed to be. Amateur astronomers all over the world would be abuzz with this. You simply cannot hide something of this scale.
Originally posted by mclinking
You are fast asleep. There IS a large object out there, but not near enough yet to be detected with the naked eye. One planet, Neptune, is not where it should be, Saturn has tilted, Pluto has turned red, Jupiter has lost a stripe and most are undergoing global warming. Regarding Elenin, you could say that CW Leonis is a coverup for the brown dwarf and has been proved to be moving on the same trajectory as Elenin, also a nasty bit of work, as we shall soon discover. All this is well-documented and I don't intend to do your homework for you. There have been several sightings recently in Australia of what looks like a brown dwarf and an evil looking sod it is! And I haven't mentioned YU55 yet. By the time that arrives, it will be like adding fuel to the flames.
Your days are numbered, I'm afraid.
Indeed, Jupiter's atmosphere is a mysterious place which would benefit from exploration. No one knows, for instance, why the Great Red Spot is red—or what has sustained the raging storm for so many years. Neither does theory explain why the twin equatorial belts are brown, nor why one should vanish while the other remains. "We have a long list of questions," says Orton.
This isn't the first time the South Equatorial Belt (SEB) has faded out.
"The SEB fades at irregular intervals, most recently in 1973-75, 1989-90, 1993, 2007, 2010," says John Rogers, director of the British Astronomical Association's Jupiter Section. "The 2007 fading was terminated rather early, but in the other years the SEB was almost absent, as at present."
The return of the SEB can be dramatic.
Originally posted by saige45
Originally posted by mclinking
You are fast asleep. There IS a large object out there, but not near enough yet to be detected with the naked eye. One planet, Neptune, is not where it should be, Saturn has tilted, Pluto has turned red, Jupiter has lost a stripe and most are undergoing global warming. Regarding Elenin, you could say that CW Leonis is a coverup for the brown dwarf and has been proved to be moving on the same trajectory as Elenin, also a nasty bit of work, as we shall soon discover. All this is well-documented and I don't intend to do your homework for you. There have been several sightings recently in Australia of what looks like a brown dwarf and an evil looking sod it is! And I haven't mentioned YU55 yet. By the time that arrives, it will be like adding fuel to the flames.
Your days are numbered, I'm afraid.
I'm not so concerned with your claim to a large object, because, well. There are. The Sun is a large object, Jupiter is a large object, Saturn is a large object, etc. etc. etc.
What I am more concerned with is your claims regarding the other planets in our solar system. You say Neptune has gone missing. Could you elaborate on this? I mean, please provide some proof for this claim. The same goes for Saturn and Pluto. With regards to Jupiter losing a stripe. I believe I did read about this, but this is a natural occurance that has happened before. We can only hypothesize as to the cause of the disappearance.
Indeed, Jupiter's atmosphere is a mysterious place which would benefit from exploration. No one knows, for instance, why the Great Red Spot is red—or what has sustained the raging storm for so many years. Neither does theory explain why the twin equatorial belts are brown, nor why one should vanish while the other remains. "We have a long list of questions," says Orton.
This isn't the first time the South Equatorial Belt (SEB) has faded out.
"The SEB fades at irregular intervals, most recently in 1973-75, 1989-90, 1993, 2007, 2010," says John Rogers, director of the British Astronomical Association's Jupiter Section. "The 2007 fading was terminated rather early, but in the other years the SEB was almost absent, as at present."
The return of the SEB can be dramatic.
Source
Thanks,
-saige-
You state there is a new object. Okay, if this is so, could you post some proof of this new object. Perhaps coordinates so that I can peer through a telescope and find this object? Surely something that is massive enough will reflect light, I mean really, pluto reflects light and it is tiny by comparison.
Originally posted by mclinking
I'll qualify that. There is a NEW large object.
It is true that there were unexplained perturbations of the orbit of Neptune and that there was a search for something that would have been tugging on Neptune as Pluto was deemed too small to create such changes in Neptune's orbit. However, when the Voyager 2 craft flew by the planet (in 1989). The real mass of Neptune was determined. When these new findings were plugged into the equations that determined the orbit, the perturbations disappeared. The interesting thing about Neptune is that it was found by mathmatical prediction rather than empirical observation.
Originally posted by mclinking
As for Neptune, NASA investigated perturbations of the orbit of Neptune back in 1983 - this is common knowledge, surely!
Discovered on September 23, 1846,[1] Neptune was the first planet found by mathematical prediction rather than by empirical observation. Unexpected changes in the orbit of Uranus led Alexis Bouvard to deduce that its orbit was subject to gravitational perturbation by an unknown planet. Neptune was subsequently observed by Johann Galle within a degree of the position predicted by Urbain Le Verrier, and its largest moon, Triton, was discovered shortly thereafter, though none of the planet's remaining 12 moons were located telescopically until the 20th century. Neptune has been visited by only one spacecraft, Voyager 2, which flew by the planet on August 25, 1989.
Planet X disproved
Harrington died in January 1993, without having found Planet X.[37] Six months before, Myles Standish had used data from Voyager 2's 1989 flyby of Neptune, which had revised the planet's total mass downward by 0.5%—an amount comparable to the mass of Mars[37]—to recalculate its gravitational effect on Uranus.[38] When Neptune's newly determined mass was used in the Jet Propulsion Laboratory Developmental Ephemeris (JPL DE), the supposed discrepancies in the Uranian orbit, and with them the need for a Planet X, vanished.[3] There are no discrepancies in the trajectories of any space probes such as Pioneer 10, Pioneer 11, Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 that can be attributed to the gravitational pull of a large undiscovered object in the outer Solar System.[39] Today, most astronomers agree that Planet X, as Lowell defined it, does not exist.[40]
Originally posted by mclinking
As for Saturn and Pluto, do a search on this forum for related threads.
To you, the rest of my response may have nothing to do with this thread. However, I feel that my whole response, while maybe to you, is not relevant to the overall thread, it is relevant for clarifying your stance.
Originally posted by mclinking
The rest of your response re Jupiter is nothing to do with this thread.
You are fast asleep. There IS a large object out there, but not near enough yet to be detected with the naked eye. One planet, Neptune, is not where it should be, Saturn has tilted, Pluto has turned red, Jupiter has lost a stripe and most are undergoing global warming. Regarding Elenin, you could say that CW Leonis is a coverup for the brown dwarf and has been proved to be moving on the same trajectory as Elenin, also a nasty bit of work, as we shall soon discover. All this is well-documented and I don't intend to do your homework for you. There have been several sightings recently in Australia of what looks like a brown dwarf and an evil looking sod it is! And I haven't mentioned YU55 yet. By the time that arrives, it will be like adding fuel to the flames.
Your days are numbered, I'm afraid.
I'll qualify that. There is a NEW large object.
As for Neptune, NASA investigated perturbations of the orbit of Neptune back in 1983 - this is common knowledge, surely!
As for Saturn and Pluto, do a search on this forum for related threads.
The rest of your response re Jupiter is nothing to do with this thread.
Really? I did not know that. That is awsome.
Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by saige45
Saige45, I believe that an amateur reported the missing stripe first which just goes to show people how a person that is an amateur astronomer can contribute to science.
SO MUCH FOR DOOMSDAY: Comet Elenin (C/2010 X1), widely known for inaccurate reports of its threat to Earth, appears to be breaking apart. Observations by amateur astronomer Michael Mattiazzo of Castlemaine, Australia show a rapid dimming and elongation of the comet's nucleus akin to that of Comet LINEAR (C/1999 S4), which also disintegrated when it approached the sun in 2000. Comets are fragile objects, so this development while unexpected comes as no surprise. Readers with pertinent images of Elenin are invited to submit them here
and waiting for the 2005yu55 threads with bated breath
Originally posted by saige45
reply to post by mikeybiznaz
Don't be suprised if the conspiracy theorists say this is proof that Comet Elenin was a psyop cover as it is now too late for people to do anything about the real threat. Comet Elenin, as has been said before, is really just a distractive tactic. I'm just waiting to see the thread for it.
-saige-
edit on 29-8-2011 by saige45 because: (no reason given)
You can speculate all you want, but you're wasting your time. We don't have to fear Elenin. We need to fear current events. Like the potential for war to break out between America and China. Look into that a bit more and get aware and fear what that could bring Times are stressed to almost the breaking point and you rather worry about a small comet. Bit sad.