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So you are looking to self-fulfilling prophecy to find something to believe in.
Real prophecy that was in the OT was fulfilled in Jesus.
Anything connected to a current "state" calling itself, Israel, is purely satanic in origin, in my opinion.
In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria. The Assyrians will go to Egypt and the Egyptians to Assyria. The Egyptians and Assyrians will worship together. In that day Israel will be the third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on the earth. The LORD Almighty will bless them, saying, “Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance.” -Isaiah 19:23-25
1. How do you interpret that bit in Isaiah which teaches that Israel will be a "third" with Egypt and Assyria, both of which are modern day muslim nations?
I had this discussion some time ago on another forum, and someone explained the future friendship between these countries as a result of Israel, Egypt and Assyria converting to chistianity.
Just wanted to hear your opinion/perspective on this on this.
This is not saying Israel is third in rank or title, this is showing a land division as clearly seen with the last part of this verse: "even a blessing in the midst of the land" For as anyone knows, Egypt is the western boundary of Israels promised land as found in:
I understand the verse in Isaiah is in no way, reducing Israel to rank #3.
I would like to point out that Israel is only 1/3rd of the Assyria+Egypt+Israel coalition....and that too with regions that are currently "muslim".
That verse in Isaiah is not talking merely about Israel bordering Assyria and Egypt... but goes on to reveal that Assyria and Egypt(both modern day muslim nations) will be held in high esteem by God. Egypt is called "His people" and Assyria is "the work of His hands". This is what is quite puzzling to me...and of course, other christians
Why do you think God partnered Israel with modern day Islamic countries instead of with, say, christian countries.
These two countries will be held in high esteem as you said IF!!!!! they follow: ....
This is pure opinion and none of this I just quoted is "Bible".
This is because Jesus Christ just defeated the whole planet through military conquest. Now the world serves Him, by serving His people, the Jews. This is all Bible so far, I have not put one opinion in the mix, yet
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by KJV1611
If you were a Jew, all that would be just fine (to believe, though you would be holding a false belief).
We Christians don't buy that, and understand the promises given to the now defunct people of Israel have met their fulfillment in Jesus through whom we receive adoption, to have those things as an inheritance.
The former people going by the name, Israel, were cut off and removed from the grace of God, to have that grace come to men through Jesus.
Plus Israel will accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah then (as if they have a choice) The Jews killed Him during his first coming, they will worship Him during His second.
I recall you (or was it somebody else?) saying that when Jesus returns, things are going to get real bad immediately with millions dying everywhere.
So how exactly do you suppose Israel even gets time to accept Jesus when he comes back during the end times?
If they have rejected Jesus who was sent to them personally, for 2000 years... then what would cause the jews do a 180 degree turn and accept him?
The word Hadad-rimmon, for which the inferior reading Hadar-rimmon is found in some manuscripts in the phrase "the mourning of (or at) Hadad-rimmon" (Zechariah 12:2), has been a subject of much discussion. According to Jerome and all the older Christian interpreters, the mourning is for something that occurred at a place called Hadad-rimmon (Maximianopolis) in the valley of Megiddo. The event alluded to was generally held to be the death of Josiah (or, as in the Targum, the death of Ahab at the hands of Hadadrimmon). But even before the discovery of the Ugaritic texts some suspected that Hadad-rimmon might be a dying god like Adonis or Tammuz, perhaps even the same as Tammuz, and the allusion could then be to mournings for Hadad such as those which usually accompanied the Adonis festivals.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Lazarus Short
Sorry to see you have given up Christianity.
You have to toss out the New Testament to believe all that since Christianity is based on the teaching of Paul and he was the one who pointed out how the Jews as representing symbolically, the remnant of Israel, were cut off and the road for them to God is exactly the same road that everyone else has to go down.
"God so loved the world" is what replaced the love for those who turned their backs on Him, and killed His son.
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