Kiss Your Internet Goodbye!

So, if the government decided to do so, they could take over Worldcom and stop 40-50% of all Inet traffic. Although it would be slower, there would still be an Inet. They're not the only major backbone, just the largest. And how would the government just take over such a large corporation? Could it even happen? Would they just buy them out? Actually, I'd venture to say that Worldcom probably has more financial power than the US gov. Worldcom could probably buy the gov. out.

IBM also has a pretty elaborate backbone.

Here's an unsettling scenario: Massive terror attack(s), the economy crashes, no money - no fuel - no power - no INTERNET.

Now that's highly likely.

[edit on 1-12-2004 by Damned]

Worldcom isnt worth the paper the stock was written upon. Thank you Mr. Ebbers for truly screwing up UUNET.

The idea of bringing down global traffic to an absoulute crawl is quite plausible.

So, how exactly would a government be able to do it? It would call for some very drastic changes, and an all out announcement of Inet dictatorship, with new laws to put anyone who hacked into the new secure Inet to immediate death.

Use a bit of Google time and explore the Governments relationship and how lines are leased with UUNET. It is actually kind of scary what they can do.

Originally posted by just_a_pilot
Use a bit of Google time and explore the Governments relationship and how lines are leased with UUNET. It is actually kind of scary what they can do.

UUNET leases to everyone. Half the ISP's use UUNET's backbone. It's a lease business. Not only are they leased nationally, but also internationally.

This is interesting. Read the parts about THE ECONOMICS OF INTERNET NETWORK INTERCONNECTION and THE ECONOMICS OF INTERNATIONAL INTERCONNECTIONS.

global.mci.com...

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Here's an unsettling scenario: Massive terror attack(s), the economy crashes, no money - no fuel - no power - no INTERNET.

We are almost there, at the rate the dollar is falling, our Asian friends are getting upset about there losses. They own over 40% of our debt and the Central Bank is just watching it fall, you can bet, it will be soon, Japan and China will dump the dollar, then we are cooked. Interest rates will be sky high, the stock and housing markets will crash, and our idiot president has borrowed more money for more tax cuts. I love this country, but we are in for a long and very bumpy ride. To make a few bucks one would invest by shorting the dollar and invest in the Euro, because the dollar is soon to be dead. Unless we get rid of the Federal Reserve and get congress to start creating interest free money, like it should be, as written in our constitution. The way Pres. Lincoln did durning the civil war with the GreenBack, and the way Pres. Kennedy did at the beginning of the vietnam war with the Silver Certificates, but was quickly distroyed after his death. We should not be paying face value plus interest for our money. About 1.8 billion a day now. If our country falls the elites dream will come true and the NWO will rule. Very Scarry, and Bush and company has not a care in the world, but they won't be out in the cold with us.

Yes, BushCo. will do just fine, regardless of what calamaties befall us.

If OPEC was to go with the Euro, our economy would collapse immediately. The money petro dollars generate pays the interest on our debt - and that is what is keeping us in the game. It would be a total disaster. The internet would be the last thing on most people's minds.

Wish we had a real president, like good ol' Abe Lincoln. He truly had our nation's best interest at heart.

Originally posted by Damned

UUNET leases to everyone. Half the ISP's use UUNET's backbone. It's a lease business. Not only are they leased nationally, but also internationally.

This is interesting. Read the parts about THE ECONOMICS OF INTERNET NETWORK INTERCONNECTION and THE ECONOMICS OF INTERNATIONAL INTERCONNECTIONS.

global.mci.com...

NOW ya got it. Not only can the internet be shut down, it is very very feasible to do it across the globe. Now, while you have google up. Check out NSA and UUNET.

This topic can get dirty very quickly.

Why would the U.S. govt really want to give up the days of computing on the darkside with a black screen and neon green characters on a network called DARPANet. I can actually remember sitting at a dumb terminal with a keyboard aranging manuevers with other squadrons using EIFEL1. It was cool back then. Took for ever to send and recieve, but it was fun and the new in thing.

The rumor is that exactly what Saddam was going to do, dump the dollar for the euro, which would have crippled the Federal Reserve. The big boys couldn't have that, and so let the games begin.It is our constitutional right, Under Section 8 Clause 5: QUOTE "To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures." CLOSE QUTOE
We should not be paying a dime of intrest, nor paying face value to barrow our own money. This has got to be the dumbest thing to date as our country slides deeper and deeper into debt. Here is a good read on how J. F. K. screwed The Federal Reserve. Some say this is what may have got him killed.

www.john-f-kennedy.net...

[edit on 1-12-2004 by jimrod]

Yes, I've heard the same (about JFK). That is one move that could definitely shorten one's life. Under our constitution, which gives congress the sole power to make and coin money, the Federal Reserve has no legitimacy.

Saddam Hussein went with the Euro in 2000. He profited handsomely from the switch as the Euro has risen against the falling dollar. I believe one of the biggest reasons we invaded Iraq was to keep our boots squarely on the neck of OPEC.

As you sure? about 2000. I am only asking because when Bush invaded and they found all the pellets with millons that Saddam and his sons stole, I mean withdrew, from the bank from the night before were all stacks of 100's. Well something to check later. Good talk bro.

Thx.

Yeah, I'm sure. He made a lot of jack off it, too. Other folks in OPEC have been contemplating the move, too. Probably b/c of how it worked out for him. Saddam having greenbacks wouldn't be strange. I'm sure he had his uses.

[edit on 19-09-2003 by EastCoastKid]

But in November 2000 Iraq switched to the euro, with potentially perilous consequences for the US. Only one country has the right to print dollars: the US! If OPEC were to decide to accept euros only for its oil, then American economic dominance would be over.

I stand corrected. Thanks

Originally posted by jimrod


I stand corrected. Thanks

No problem, jimrod.

Originally posted by just_a_pilot
NOW ya got it. Not only can the internet be shut down, it is very very feasible to do it across the globe. Now, while you have google up. Check out NSA and UUNET.

This topic can get dirty very quickly.

Why would the U.S. govt really want to give up the days of computing on the darkside with a black screen and neon green characters on a network called DARPANet. I can actually remember sitting at a dumb terminal with a keyboard aranging manuevers with other squadrons using EIFEL1. It was cool back then. Took for ever to send and receive, but it was fun and the new in thing.

But what you're talking about would require that the gov. just suddenly up and take over huge corporations, who probably wouldn't be too happy to hand over their companies and livelihood. These are also very powerful people we're talking about. You can't just take control from them. They're as bad as politicians, in that respect.

If it got to the point where or when the next attacks occour to be catostrophic to the point where national security as a whole was at risk that would indeed happen. If it is blatant and proven then just as in WWII the country would switch gears to support anything that would need to be done. Rosey the Riveter and Ford building Jeeps and Bombers. It could happen. Never say never.

Originally posted by just_a_pilot
If it got to the point where or when the next attacks occour to be catostrophic to the point where national security as a whole was at risk that would indeed happen. If it is blatant and proven then just as in WWII the country would switch gears to support anything that would need to be done. Rosey the Riveter and Ford building Jeeps and Bombers. It could happen. Never say never.

Oh, you mean kind of like now? Apparently, we wouldn't even need evidence that the country is in any kind of imminent danger to allow such a dictatorship action to occur. All we need is a crapload of gov. spun propaganda to justify such drastic actions. Look what they've already accomplished with little to no evidence of anything, just playing on the fear of idiots. It is true. The Constitution is no match for the corruption of modern day politics.

The combination of the government and the corporate world (adding in total control of the media) is the definition of Fascism. What we have in today's White House is pure, grade A McGovernance. Fascism is back. The corporate fat cats are innit up to their eyeballs w/our corrupted government officials. Whatever happens, those at the top of the biz world will be taken care of. They will have their place with the political heavies and military leadership in their underground cities when the attacks come. Their investments are safe and out of the reach of a failed US economy.

Well, George Tenet seems to want more government control over the internet. It appears he doesn't want the internet to be free.

"I know that these actions will be controversial in this age when we still think the Internet is a free and open society with no control or accountability," Tenet told an IT security conference in Washington, "but ultimately the Wild West must give way to governance and control."

www.wpherald.com...

Pretty soon will be spoon fed everything, even if it's on the internet. This may be one step before they shut down the internet completely.

Well If you bothered to read that, what they are talking about in not the internet as a whole, but rather on individual networks connected to the internet

There is a big difference there. Corporate and financial networks should be secure.

The other point in that article was that one of the weakest links in the system is in the end user. (or luser in IT speak).

This means that YOU have the responsibility to maintain your own security.