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The Indian Emperor Ashoka started a "Secret Society of the Nine Unknown Men": great Indian scientists who were supposed to catalogue the many sciences. Ashoka kept their work secret because he was afraid that the advanced science catalogued by these men, culled from ancient Indian sources, would be used for the evil purpose of war, which Ashoka was strongly against, having been converted to Buddhism after defeating a rival army in a bloody battle.
The "Nine Unknown Men" wrote a total of nine books, presumably one each. Book number was "The Secrets of Gravitation!" This book, known to historians, but not actually seen by them dealt chiefly with "gravity control." It is presumably still around somewhere, kept in a secret library in India, Tibet or elsewhere (perhaps even in North America somewhere). One can certainly understand Ashoka's reasoning for wanting to keep such knowledge a secret, assuming it exists. if the Nazis had such weapons at their disposal during World War Ii. Ashoka was also aware devastating wars using such advanced vehicles and other "futuristic weapons" that had destroyed the ancient Indian "Rama Empire" several thousand years before
Shivkar Bapuji Talpade, India; 1895
The Sanskrit scholar Shivkar Bapuji Talpade designed an unmanned aircraft called Marutsakthi (meaning Power of Air), supposedly based on Vedic technology. It is claimed that it took off before a large audience in the Chowpathy beach of Bombay and flew to a height of 1,500 feet. Historian Evan Koshtka described Talpade as the ‘first creator of an aircraft’
Originally posted by mbkennel
If the ancient Hindus had such amazing technology, well, there would be archaeological artifacts of such technology. Spacecraft are nice, but I think the ancients could have done pretty well with a steam engine in 500 BC. But they didn't. We'd all be speaking Sanskrit.
More to the point, any real historian would need to look at primary sources (in ancient languages) and make sure to discard or at least be skeptical of less reliable translations made after modern science is known.
It's the same thing as a bible scholar looking at Christian translations of the Hebrew bible---there were strong desires to interpret various passages as being more prophetic of Christian episodes than a neutral interpretation might have suggested.edit on 31-3-2011 by mbkennel because: (no reason given)edit on 31-3-2011 by mbkennel because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by mbkennel
It's the same thing as a bible scholar looking at Christian translations of the Hebrew bible---there were strong desires to interpret various passages as being more prophetic of Christian episodes than a neutral interpretation might have suggested.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
That translation sounds a lot more believable than this one:
Originally posted by nakiel
Great post, but you should filter your sources;
Swami Devamrita is not a reliable source!
'With bones of Dadhyach for his arms, Indra, resistless in attack, Struck nine-and-ninety Vritras dead, He, searching for the horse's head, removed among the mountains, found at Saryanâvân what he sought. Then verily they recognized the essential form of Tvashtar's Bull. Here in the mansion of the Moon.'
(This hymn you also find in the the first book of the Rig-Veda; HYMN LXXXIV. Indra.)
This is how I read this hymn:
"One early Sunday morning when Indra had just came down from an extreme all night psychedelic trip; on where he had fought and conquered a large number of personal issues.
He was in an exhausted physical state of well being, and were searching the mountains for some mature and naturally sun-dried amanita; to help him sleep.
He searched all day without finding any, but by the lake of Saryanavan -he found some fresh young shroom buttons, which was OK since it already had become night."
Originally posted by NebuchadnezzarIII
“The atomic energy fissions the ninety-nine elements, covering its path by the bombardments of neutrons without let or hindrance. Desirous of stalking the head, ie. the chief part of the swift power, hiden in the mass of molecular adjustments of the elements, this atomic energy approaches it in the very act of fissioning it by the above-noted bombardment. Herein, verily the scientists know the similar hidden striking force of the rays of the sun working in the orbit of the moon.” (Atharva-veda 20.41.1-3)
I'm opposed to the idea our ancestors were dummies, some of them were very smart so I agree with your post to that extent. But I doubt they had knowledge of neutrons. That neutron translation doesn't pass the BS detector test. The translation Nakiel posted sounds much more credible.
This is also false. Did you ever hear of Eratosthenes?
Originally posted by NebuchadnezzarIII
Twenty-four centuries before Isaac Newton, the Rig Veda stated that gravitation held the universe together. The Aryans believed in a spherical earth while the Greeks believed in a flat one.
Not only did Eratosthenes, an ancient Greek, know the Earth was round, but he measured how big it was, and quite accurately given the tools available at the time.
He was the first person to calculate the circumference of the earth by using a measuring system using stades, or the length of stadiums during that time period (with remarkable accuracy). He was the first person to prove that the Earth was round.
Even centuries before Erastothenes, the Ancient Greeks thought the Earth was spherical:
I agree with nakiel, I think this is an interesting topic, but you need to find some more reliable sources for your research because there is some interesting literature and it doesn't do it justice to throw in a bunch of obviously false claims, it destroys credibility. Maybe do some more research from some more credible sources, and make a new thread with more believable claims? I'm sure they will still be interesting without the obviously false claims thrown in.
The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to ancient Greek philosophy from around the 6th century BC, but remained a matter of philosophical speculation until the 3rd century BC when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the earth as a physical given.edit on 12-3-2011 by Arbitrageur because: fix typo
Science, we are generally told, originated with the Greeks around 600 BC, developed in the European Renaissance, and was perfected in the modern West. Because of educators' interest in cultural diversity, multicultural science curricula began to appear in various school districts in the 1980s, but unfortunately many contained distorted, inaccurate, and speculative information. In the early 1990s Dick Teresi, science writer and cofounder of Omni magazine, accepted an assignment to expose and document faulty multicultural science being taught in American schools. I began to write with the purpose of showing that the pursuit of evidence of nonwhite science is a fruitless endeavor. I felt that it was only responsible, however, to attempt to find what meager legitimate non-European science might exist. Six years later, I was still finding examples of ancient and medieval non-Western science that equaled and often surpassed ancient Greek learning. My embarrassment at having undertaken an assignment with the assumption that non-Europeans contributed little to science has been overtaken by the pleasure of discovering mountains of unappreciated human industry, four thousand years of scientific discoveries by peoples I had been taught to disregard. -- p. 15 In this unusual history the author shares with the general reader his explorations in mathematics, astronomy, cosmology, physics, geology, chemistry, and technology, discussing contributions from Egypt, the ancient Near East, Islam, India, China, ancient America, and Oceania. Mainstream rather than "New Age" in its scientific outlook, the manuscript was reviewed for factual accuracy by nine prominent scholars, some with a non-Western and others with a Western bias. Their comments, when differing in interpretation, are often included in the extensive endnotes. The bibliography provides a starting place for further research on specific topics.