Originally posted by Arbitrageur
That translation sounds a lot more believable than this one:
Originally posted by nakiel
Great post, but you should filter your sources;
Swami Devamrita is not a reliable source!
'With bones of Dadhyach for his arms, Indra, resistless in attack, Struck nine-and-ninety Vritras dead, He, searching for the horse's head, removed
among the mountains, found at Saryanâvân what he sought. Then verily they recognized the essential form of Tvashtar's Bull. Here in the mansion of
(This hymn you also find in the the first book of the Rig-Veda; HYMN LXXXIV. Indra.)
This is how I read this hymn:
"One early Sunday morning when Indra had just came down from an extreme all night psychedelic trip; on where he had fought and conquered a large
number of personal issues.
He was in an exhausted physical state of well being, and were searching the mountains for some mature and naturally sun-dried amanita; to help him
He searched all day without finding any, but by the lake of Saryanavan -he found some fresh young shroom buttons, which was OK since it already had
Originally posted by NebuchadnezzarIII
“The atomic energy fissions the ninety-nine elements, covering its path by the bombardments of neutrons without let or hindrance. Desirous of
stalking the head, ie. the chief part of the swift power, hiden in the mass of molecular adjustments of the elements, this atomic energy approaches it
in the very act of fissioning it by the above-noted bombardment. Herein, verily the scientists know the similar hidden striking force of the rays of
the sun working in the orbit of the moon.” (Atharva-veda 20.41.1-3)
I'm opposed to the idea our ancestors were dummies, some of them were very smart so I agree with your post to that extent. But I doubt they had
knowledge of neutrons. That neutron translation doesn't pass the BS detector test. The translation Nakiel posted sounds much more credible.
This is also false. Did you ever hear of
Originally posted by NebuchadnezzarIII
Twenty-four centuries before Isaac Newton, the Rig Veda stated that gravitation held the universe together. The Aryans believed in a spherical earth
while the Greeks believed in a flat one.
Not only did Eratosthenes, an ancient
Greek, know the Earth was round, but he measured how big it was, and quite accurately given the tools available at the time.
He was the first person to calculate the circumference of the earth by using a measuring system using stades, or the length of stadiums during
that time period (with remarkable accuracy). He was the first person to prove that the Earth was round.
Even centuries before Erastothenes, the Ancient Greeks thought the Earth was spherical:
I agree with
nakiel, I think this is an interesting topic, but you need to find some more reliable sources for your research because there is some interesting
literature and it doesn't do it justice to throw in a bunch of obviously false claims, it destroys credibility. Maybe do some more research from some
more credible sources, and make a new thread with more believable claims? I'm sure they will still be interesting without the obviously false claims
The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to ancient Greek philosophy from around the 6th century BC, but remained a matter of philosophical
speculation until the 3rd century BC when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the earth as a physical given.
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Hello all long time lurker, my first post
Just felt as a Hindu I need to address a few issues.
Firstly Eratosthenes was 250 to 300 (sic) BC The Rig Veda is calculated to have been composed between 1200bc to 1700bc at it's most conservative (some
give a much older date). The concept of the atom is now widely regarded to have first been hypothesized by Kannada, 500bc, others say it was the Jain
religion that was first, either way they are both Indian and Dharmic.
Also somebody mentioned the World Turtle, yes that does exist, but so do may other concepts of the origin of the "Universe" (Hindus dont use that
term) within Hinduism. Unlike other religion, Hinduism has no compulsion to believe anything, you can (indeed) be a agnostic/atheist and still call
yourself a Hindu.
The "orthodox" Rig Veda line is that we are in a expanding Hiranyagarbha (Golden Embryo), and there is not just one Hiranyagarbha but an infinite
number, each with their own laws and Brahma (creator God). Although the ultimate reality, Brahman is both outside and within all these Universes
(Brahman is unknowable btw, you cant pray to "him" for instance).
The dot you see on the forehead of Hindu women is called the "Bindu". The Bindu is a representation of the proto Hiranyagarbha (Universe), which had
the entire matter of the cosmos condensed in a small point which though "Tapas" (heat...to put it simply) expanded to all this you see around you. And
"all this" is also you. What you see when you see is You.
I'l leave you with a translation from the Rig Veda speculating on on the origins of the Universe, remember this is aprox' 4000 years old.
Nasadiya Sukta (Not The Non-exsistant)
There was neither non-existence nor existence then.
There was neither the realm of space nor the sky which is beyond.
In whose protection?
Was there water, bottlemlessly deep?
There was neither death nor immortality then.
There was no distinguishing sign of night nor of day.
That One breathed, windless, by its own impulse.
Other than that there was nothing beyond.
Darkness was hidden by darkness in the beginning,
with no distinguishing sign, all this was water.
The life force that was covered with emptiness,
that One arose through the power of heat.
Desire came upon that One in the beginning,
that was the first seed of mind.
Poets seeking in their heart with wisdom
found the bond of existence and non-existence.
Their cord was extended across.
Was there below?
Was there above?
There were seed-placers, there were powers.
There was impulse beneath, there was giving forth above.
Who really knows?
Who will here proclaim it?
Whence was it produced?
Whence is this creation?
The gods came afterwards, with the creation of this universe.
Who then knows whence it has arisen?
Whence this creation has arisen
- perhaps it formed itself, or perhaps it did not -
the One who looks down on it,
in the highest heaven, only He knows
or perhaps even He does not know.
Translation by Wendy Doniger O'Flaherty.
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