Lack of feminine characteristics...

Originally posted by JonoEnglish
reply to post by davespanners

 

My grandmother when she was young held down a job, raised a family and could reduce most men to a quivering wreck with one lash of her sharp tongue

Lol Dave, that sounds like by grandmother, though she was known to use her fists against the men too. She owned the street she lived in. A woman to be feared but had her soft side.

that's just it.

men micromanage women, something i never understood.

there is nuthin like watching the wife rip a new one on a waiter or someone who pissed her off!!

As a man, I must say that I hate what men have done to society and to the planet. And if women choose to do the same thing as they gain power, then the human race is destined to self destruct.

Women, in society, have always been the backbone of families, and the voices of reason.

I would hope that this trend would continue.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander

If you want a small, soft, docile woman, find one. Leave the amazons for the men who can handle them.

hahaha wow I think you just made my day with that one!
But thats the problem, men cry and cry like babies because they CANT find that woman you just described, the one that makes them look stronger..

THE biggest problem with every culture, and every person in this world is not what others are doing or what you want form them; Its asking yourself what you are doing. Its being busy picking the slivers out of your friends eye's when you have a LOG in your own! Its being to busy pointing your fingers at someone and having 3 point back at you! Its being to busy asking the world what it has to offer you, and not asking yourself what you can offer the world. Its the "do as i say, and not as i do" aspect of our society. If you cant do it, dont expect someone else to.
hypocrites! Far to many people here pretending to have virtues, moral ground and principles. We take and take until there is nothing left to give; This will leave any man or woman feeling empty, no matter what anyone does for him.
He is empty inside. :

Originally posted by Hendrix92TheUniverse
Women, in society, have always been the backbone of families, and the voices of reason.

I would hope that this trend would continue.

Uh - - and why exactly must this responsibility fall on women?

What is wrong with doing it in a partnership?

reply to post by Hendrix92TheUniverse

Women, in society, have always been the backbone of families, and the voices of reason.

Things change, now that they have entered the work force and politics there are two types of women.

One who is right but doesn't say anything or one that is wrong but won't shut up.

Hooray feminism...

Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by Hendrix92TheUniverse

 

Women, in society, have always been the backbone of families, and the voices of reason.

Things change, now that they have entered the work force and politics there are two types of women.

One who is right but doesn't say anything or one that is wrong but won't shut up.

Hooray feminism...

wow

sexist much?

your current wife know you think like this?

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Hendrix92TheUniverse
Women, in society, have always been the backbone of families, and the voices of reason.

I would hope that this trend would continue.

Uh - - and why exactly must this responsibility fall on women?

What is wrong with doing it in a partnership?

It doesn't matter because it is not a responsibility any more, now the responsibility is to find a job and pay taxes. Screw the old days.


To say why it was... because women were level headed, long term thinkers and kept men from making impulsive decisions. Together it is more of a mutual agreement, contract like, very romantic.

Originally posted by fooks

Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by Hendrix92TheUniverse

 

Women, in society, have always been the backbone of families, and the voices of reason.

Things change, now that they have entered the work force and politics there are two types of women.

One who is right but doesn't say anything or one that is wrong but won't shut up.

Hooray feminism...

wow

sexist much?

your current wife know you think like this?

It was clearly sarcasm, hence the smiley face.

Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by soficrow

 

strong self-confident women

That is a paradox.

Hi, I'm sofi. I walk and talk, garden, cook, research, write, landscape, build things, make art and know my own strengths (and weaknesses too). Thus, I qualify as strong and self-confident. As I also am a female human, I am by your terms, a walking, talking, living paradox. ...I think someone wrote a song about me once.

Find any strong successful woman in business or industry

I never said one word about business or industry:

post by soficrow

I think a number of posters here might benefit by not dumping their personal frustrations on strong self-confident women, and instead, should re-direct their energies to tackling their real problems.

Is the environment making you infertile?

Remember, we're all in this together.

See? Nothing there about business or industry.

...Like another poster said, women for equality have to take responsibility, ...

Take responsibility?!? You need to get real big guy. Who in this world do you think cleans, cooks, raises the children, does the laundry, chauffeurs the family, stays up nursing the puking kid when she's already dead from exhaustion from getting the kids up, making breakfast and lunches, working all day and picking up the kids and cooking dinner?

What women in this country do you think have the wealth and luxury to stay home all day and NOT go to work? ...And don't even get me started on the rest of the world.

Women think because they have climbed the corporate ladder

I take it you've never heard of the pink ghetto or the glass ceiling?

...if I asked my dad how much time he spent with his Mother as a child, he would say, "When wasn't I with her?"

Are you saying that it's a family tradition to avoid educational institutions, and the resultant benefits?

I can't remember for the life of me the last girl I dated who knew how to cook, or cooked often

Most likely there's a very good reason why you're only interested in young, immature, undeveloped and apparently, selfish women.

but (cooking) was something my Mother prided herself on. And it was a respected form of labour.

My Mom was a great cook too - but that's certainly NOT the first thing I think of to describe her character, strengths, abilities and contributions to her family, community and world. ...I too am an extremely good cook, cook often and prefer my own cooking simply because it's healthier - but frankly, I have so many other skills, abilities and talents that I really have no need to rely solely on said culinary skills to justify my existence on this planet. Not to take anything away from your Mom. ...Actually, I have a strong feeling that maybe she "prided herself on" her cooking because that's the only talent she had that the family males were willing to recognize. If you have sisters (and if you actually care), ask them about your mother. You may learn a thing or two.

...Guys used to say:

"The best wife is a cook in the kitchen, a lady in the drawing room and a whore in the bedroom."

Mostly, they were just looking for live-in help - a chef, escort and on-call hooker - all in return for room and board. Women used to take the deal because they had no alternatives - the richest guys got the best-looking girls, and the best-looking girls got the richest guys plus all the perks. Everyone negotiated the best deal they could.

imho - You need to get clear on what you really want AND what you're willing to put on the table to get it. And quit bitching because arm candy is just arm candy.

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ok! lol.


www.youtube.com...

"it's hard to kiss the lips at night that chew your a$$ out all day long"

no prob!

reply to post by soficrow

Hi, I'm sofi. I walk and talk, garden, cook, research, write, landscape, build things, make art and know my own strengths (and weaknesses too). Thus, I qualify as strong and self-confident. As I also am a female human, I am by your terms, a walking, talking, living paradox. ...I think someone wrote a song about me once.

I like how you cut out how I was talking about men too. Or did you miss that?

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I'm ok with it, I actually prefer women who take charge and lead. I'm not so sure about egotistical, though, or "money-minded".

But otherwise, I am completely for more leading women!

Good poll, OP

What if you are rather strange and eccentric?

Where do 'we' fit in? Male or female?

Maybe why we seek out and stick to fellow weirdos.

You need us though. We are the makers and inventors of things; And those who stand up and speak for change.
Which ultimately does benefit us all, even if we wind up with a watered down version.

We have to go on, and go forward. This is what got us here, to this point.

What if what we have been told of the past is untrue? Or, it is a "romanticized" version?

People romanticize the "now" and the "future" as well.

If *one* would *do this* - all might be OK. So "they" tell you.

But has it ever been?

Why didn't these ideas work in the past? People must've cast them aside for a reason.

The older I get - the more I begin to see that - when OTHERS tell you what to do - it is usually for THEIR benefit, not yours. It might be to get you to work for them; It might be simple jealousy and wishing to see you in the same boat as them.

Beware ALL stereotypes. And QUESTION the motives that may be behind them.

Take responsibility?!? You need to get real big guy. Who in this world do you think cleans, cooks, raises the children, does the laundry, chauffeurs the family, stays up nursing the puking kid when she's already dead from exhaustion from getting the kids up, making breakfast and lunches, working all day and picking up the kids and cooking dinner?

You do that for my kids? Wow, thanks.

For every woman that does this there is a man that does this, did you miss the part where I said I think there should be one person in home (male or female) to bring stability to the family unit?

reply to post by soficrow

imho - You need to get clear on what you really want AND what you're willing to put on the table to get it. And quit bitching because arm candy is just arm candy.

I never said I had a problem with the girls I've dated, over the years I've had many loving relationships. I never asked anything of them. I was speaking generally that these things I mentioned were unimportant to them and not cachet.

All I am saying is it has become almost faux pas for a women to take pride in being a stay at home parent.

We wont even touch on the issues that come up when a man does the same thing (extreme hypocrisy there)

Originally posted by boncho

Things change, now that they have entered the work force and politics there are two types of women.

Hooray feminism...

Ain't it great they have entered the work force, now no one is watching the children, but there sure is more expendable income to buy bigger houses, cars and allow both parents the opportunity to dig themselves into huge debt.

The only people that have suffered the feminist movement have been the children, in families, where both parents are devoid of time to nurture the family unit.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by StigShen

 

You can breast feed anyone you want, sister. And you can be subordinate to anyone you want as well. You go around calling women who choose differently, or who by nature are more assertive or aggressive than you "small minded" so please dont think you can make me feel one tiny bit bad for being insulting in return.

I dont feel bad. At all.

I said no such thing. I said that women who do not understand the lesson of the story which I shared are small-minded. Case in point.

Moreover, I take no issue with women who are assertive or their freedom of choice. Freedom to choose a career over family, freedom to be a homemaker, it is a woman's choice to make. But you aren't going to convince me that aggression is a feminist trait.

reply to post by soficrow

Most likely there's a very good reason why you're only interested in young, immature, undeveloped and apparently, selfish women.

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Three girls I've dated. Hmm, must be pretty immature for them to do all that real world, big girl stuff.

I don't know why you made this personal, I was speaking in general terms but you are obviously self-conscience about the way men think of you or women in general.

Which exnays the idea that you are strong and confident. Guess your first answer was wrong.

i'm all for women being aggressive, i've seen it many times and they don't need money to do it.


they can be more vicious and cruel than men.

otoh they can be stupidly kind and resourceful.

palin for prez!

really, men do not want to relinquish power at all, to anyone. let alone a woman.

they have the power, wtf!
if it not for some indoctrination we all have had, it would be a matriarchal society the world over.

there are very few of those societies left in the world. imho, they work better than what we got going.

reply to post by soficrow

Take responsibility?!? You need to get real big guy.

I assume if there is a world war you are going to join right?

*Note* I am not grouping current serving female members of the military, they are brave women.

But my question is, if there is another world war are you signing up? Do you support the draft for women? Last time I checked 50 million or so people died in WWII and the majority were men trying to protect their women/families/freedoms.

I am all for women's rights, but I am also for men doing the idiotic crap while woman can live lives with less worry. You want equality, knock yourself out, I hope we serve in the next war together (if there is one).