Lack of feminine characteristics...

men cannot have it all either. They cannot benefit from the "porn" generation and more sexually liberated women without it affecting the female species.
In this day and age men cannot expect women to be anything at all, they are the ones who sullied the pool in the first place.

reply to post by StigShen


Women arent aggressive? What universe do you live in?

Just because they are often trained from infancy to repress their aggression and let it out in passive aggressive ways, like withholding, or the silent treatment, doesnt mean they arent aggressive.

And its all in the raising. One of my earliest memories is my dad teaching me to chop down on the bridge of someones nose and then use the palm of my hand to drive the bone into their brain so I could kill them. Lol. I was 4 or 5.

Not surprisingly, I grew up much more physical, and outwardly aggressive than many women. But just because some women are raised to bottle it up doesnt mean it isnt there. They just sleep with your best friend instead of flat out fighting with you, or run up your credit cards, or piss in your cheerios.

But please, women arent aggressive? Id rather fight a guy any day, because women are not just meaner, they are wilier too, and have a memory that makes an elephant look short sighted.

Originally posted by irsuccubus


Because you see it works out well for us all. Women who arent subordinate, dont like men who are testicularly challenged. We like men who know they are men, and who arent sniveling constantly for reassurance that their balls are still there.

edit on 7-3-2011 by Illusionsaregrander because: (no reason given)

Exactly! I never liked the idea of a weak male. Strong women want reflections of that strength. I chose my husband specifically because his strength complimented my own. He was confident in his own manhood and did not need me simpering beside him to confirm it. He preferred that I be his Valkyrie. I dont need to dominate him and vice versa. We prefer to just join the halves and be powerful together.

There can be only one leader, in any group. That does not mean that the leader has to be a despot, or the organization cannot be democratic, but nevertheless, any ambiguity over leadership is a weakness to the unit as a whole. And that weakness is being greatly exploited by the powers that be. Family is contrary to the elite globalist agenda.

To address the other point, of your making light of even the slightest male weakness, that seems a bit hypocritical if you are trying to defend feminism and androgyny. The truth is that even the strongest man can have a bad day, can have his doubts, and should have a caring woman who will be there for him, to rub his back and say "baby it will be okay." Why would a man want to marry his father? I certainly don't need a woman that is going to scream at me, tell me to shut up, and kick me back out the door to go fight. I need a woman to come home to, who will mend my wounds, after I was out there shedding the proverbial blood to protect her.

reply to post by Xiamara


I think Men and Women are equal, should have the same rights, be treated the same way, and have as much opportunity as the other. Does that make me a feminist?

This is probably why you will see more men complimenting European women.
Men need to understand that women are free to be as aggressive and dominating as they wish.
Women, however, need to understand that men are in no way obligated to find feminist attractive or desirable for other then short-term physical relationships.
Women are free to be who they want.
Men are free to choose who they will marry.
If American women are now finding it more difficult to find a husband, no complaints. Everyone is exercising their freedom to choose.
Myself, I think that modern sexually-liberated women are great...for long term relationships of eight hours or less.

reply to post by boncho


my point!

men are expendable, women aren't.

they have a finite amount of eggs, men could populate the world with one ejac,

in a bio view, who is more important?

how come in all them cheezy, last man on earth movies,

there are not 1 guy and 5 gals?

that's what should be, not 5 guys and 1 gal, fighting each other. altho that is more reality for this world.

men are what women make us. think about it.

The feminine characteristics seemed to have gone over to the men.

All the kids today (especially the wanna-be anarchists) are all really thin underweight emo kids, scattered with the occasional normally shaped male and buffed guy. It's REALLY weird how most guy's are twigs and are starting to talk like brainwashed TV machines

One guy said to me:
"My hair is so beautiful today"
"Look at her shoes, wow"
...etc

I was confused to say the least.

So, maybe it's getting tossed out, or it's getting spread around to our males. Well, it's probably better that way. Imagine if all males were raging roid-machines. That'd be a funny society if I was an alien peering in on earth

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


I never said women were not aggressive. I said you aren't going to convince me that it is a feminist trait. You also aren't going to convince me that a woman who is shady, conniving, and vindictive toward her husband is worth her weight in salt.

Originally posted by Odessy
reply to post by Xiamara

 

I think Men and Women are equal, should have the same rights, be treated the same way, and have as much opportunity as the other. Does that make me a feminist?

No, that makes you a humanist. Don't get them mixed up. The modern feminist agenda is about favoritism toward women, not equality.

reply to post by soficrow

...Guys used to say: "The best wife is a cook in the kitchen, a lady in the drawing room and a whore in the bedroom."

Guys still say it. Guys talk like absolute idiots amongst one another. Any boyfriend you've had probably talks like that too, just not to your face. Or he did at one time.

The difference is guys talk smack and they go home and pretend it never happened. It is a stupid ego thing that makes them very weak, and under complete control by their other half. They do it to try and keep face around their friends but it usually wears off after a certain age of maturity.

Change that dynamic up a bit and it stops being smack talk. Threaten men in the workplace and at home and everywhere else he is and you will see a large shift in the social perspective of women, it won't happen today but maybe in a few decades.

You have to remember that men are controlled by very irrational hormones, and they have developed coping habits to deal with this. But shifting the entire social paradigm has consequence. I suggest you study some Matriarchal societies before you think your idea on the world is the greatest. I am not saying that are bad, they have a system of operation. Research Matriarchal societies and meet some of the families.

You will see that the man thinks he is in charge but it is absolutely clear he is not. That was what I was trying to get across in my posts. Women want to be the face of power, knock yourselves out, but just because you say you are something doesn't make it true.


,,,And you can't change the fact that there is no penis between your legs.

reply to post by Yeah-Alright


Men are losing their characteristics as well.

I know for certain that guys my age are having gender crisis. We are the first generation to try and figure out what we are supposed to do in our twenties. Not get married? Then what? Have room-mates? For how long? Continue gaming the rest of our life? When do we grow up? Seriously... what does it mean to grow up? Are we supposed to have life-long best friends that are guys and just date through women?

I never thought much about how women are losing their characteristics, but it is true as well.

Originally posted by Bee2010
men cannot have it all either. They cannot benefit from the "porn" generation and more sexually liberated women without it affecting the female species.
In this day and age men cannot expect women to be anything at all, they are the ones who sullied the pool in the first place.

Before the "Porn" generation there was the "Coffee" generation. Seriously, do some research on history.

When coffee first came to Britain women tried to ban it because men were too tired to have sex with them after going to the coffee house. They thought coffee was making their husbands impotent.

What was really going on at the (all male) coffee house is men would go upstairs and have sex with prostitutes between cups of coffee.

The only thing porn did for men is make them spend lest time with prostitutes.

Jesus, like we are benefiting so much from it.

Originally posted by StigShen
There can be only one leader, in any group.

Let me just point out that in a real group, the leader is rarely the guy jumping up and down and saying "hey! Look at me! Im the boss! Hey! Im a man goddammit!"

You know why that is? Because the people jumping up and down trying to get everyone to pay attention to them are NOT the natural born leaders.

If you have it, you dont need to remind everyone all the time. They know it. If you are worried constantly that you are not getting the respect from women, (or men) or if you worry incessantly about people being subordinate to you, you aint got it. Its simple.

And secondly, in any good group, there is one leader at a time. Not one leader, period. Because one of the things that has given human beings competitive advantage over other animals is our ability to specialize. In a group, someone may lead on the part they are best at, but then if something comes up that someone is better at they pass the baton for that phase of the trial. A natural born leader has no problem letting go of the reins if that is what is best for the group.

I know a lot of Indians and Pakistanis, many more Indians (as in from the Asian sub-continent) though. Women from those parts of the world are different from the western women, OP. Those women tend to be much more timid and will more easily acquiesce to a man. But c'mon now...they want a man that will provide for them more than American women do, it's just not acceptable to outright say it like it is over here I guess.

One instance I can give to support my position: we used to rent out our current home. Our tenants at one point were a Pakistani family by the cliche name Hussein, haha. When they left me and my family got down and dirty cleaning the house up to rent again. Among the items we found left in the house were foreign newspapers. I remember looking through the classifieds and women looking for husbands (or more probably their parents looking for them?) were about as common as apartment listings in American papers. And it didn't matter if the female was fat, hairy and had a pot marked face...she was looking for a doctor or engineer. I'm not saying she's a gold digger, but she ain't f@ucking with no, well nevermind.

reply to post by darkbake

Men are losing their characteristics as well.

I know for certain that guys my age are having gender crisis. We are the first generation to try and figure out what we are supposed to do in our twenties. Not get married? Then what? Have room-mates? For how long? Continue gaming the rest of our life? When do we grow up? Seriously... what does it mean to grow up? Are we supposed to have life-long best friends that are guys and just date through women?

I never thought much about how women are losing their characteristics, but it is true as well.

I suspect there is a LOT more to this crisis than just role-playing or coping. We've really messed with the environment, and now it's messing back. Big time.

Check out these threads for another perspective, and think about the implications:

MEN: You are being chemically castrated.

Is the environment making you infertile?

Boncho - so far you've written 5 hostile responses to my one post. I think I'll wait til you're done flailing, but FYI - I don't fight.

humans have issues related to culture and society, religion etc...

being human is a no brainer in a biological sense, ie; eat sleep poop screw. not necessarily in that order.






when you get older, whether it be from depleting hormones or just reality, the mindset changes.

"i ain't gonna hit dat" lol, rip my heart out!

i have said that and i smile when i think about it. ahhh, 20ya no questions asked.

we need family more than ever now but should it be a "father knows best"?

i think men and women need to rethink. men do not need to hunt anymore, we should sit back and share, we missed out on helping to raise the kids.

stay at home dads are pretty cool, i think it is time. of course if they are not homer simpson.

reply to post by soficrow

Boncho - so far you've written 5 hostile responses to my one post. I think I'll wait til you're done flailing, but FYI - I don't fight.

No actually, you made personal insinuations about me (and the girls I've dated in the past and you know nothing about them so you are ignorant for trying to say you do) so you do fight, maybe you just start and don't finish IDK.

I don't think there is much to say to my responses because I was clarifying the points that you had taken out of context. If you want to make further personal remarks about me, knock yourself out, it goes both ways.

Oh, btw, good call on bringing up the containments. If you look at in certain areas of the world there are men who are not reaching full puberty, they kind of just stop, and it has been linked to a number of chemicals. Atrozine being one.

Am I the only one here that thinks this post and these arguments are disgusting?
What a horrible state of mind we are in; where all we do is fight, and feel worthless about ourselves all the time at everything we do!
and yet im still reading them !!!
I must be a masochist or something.

I keep seeing it over and over and over.....talk of women and marriage being the ultimate goal. "Be this and that or no man will want you. Im turned off by chicks who do (insert arbitrary infraction)... no man wants to marry a girl with .....views." LMAO...SERIOUSLY??? How long do we have to keep cramming the idea that you need to be locked in this institution of marriage to fulfill your life's purpose. Does it even occur to people that not everyone is a damn nester?? Is landing a man and popping out babies really supposed to be our only aspiration? Who is romanticizing what here? Its funny because many men will think of their mothers or other maternal figures and think thats all these women ever were. Dig a bit and you may be surprised what some of these women were before all that. At what they gave up. Whether they regret it or not isnt even an issue....its that they were more than just a yin to a yang.

And man oh man some of harpy must have really done a number on some of you guys. The bitterness is strong here, lol. We are the sum of our experiences and our views and desires reflect that. respect the fact that someone might have come from a long line of strong women and the idea of submissiveness doesnt even register. Banish the notion that feminism and masculinity is something easily defined seeing as how they have crossed the line into eachother more than once throughout history. Do not let social memes rob you of living the life you choose and that goes for men, women and those awesome folks in between.

reply to post by Vlena


Lol. Fighting can be fun, I guess it all depends on your nature.

As I see it, every animal fights, Its the way of life on Earth. The idea of peace all the time is unrealistic. And, it would be awfully boring. True peace in the spiritual sense is being content with what actually is, the ability to accept the world and other humans as they are. Unconditionally.

True violence is insisting that "what is" is not good enough, and wishing that the world and people would be other than they are, and or trying to force them to become something other than they are.