Stratospheric Aerosol Geo-engineering aka "Chemtrails" DEBUNK THIS !!!!

reply to post by MathiasAndrew


I think you should start with this thread and then you can tell us all about Mr.Gunderson.Enjoy the reading..

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Yeah, well check this out. Here is where Battelle talks about it's chemical and biological "defense" program. There's really not much these guys don't have their grubby little hands on and are involved with "controling the spread and proliferation" of industrial toxic waste, chemical and biological weapons, AIDS and other pathogens. It's the Mother load of conspiracy companies.

www.battelle.org...

From concept definition to prototype engineering, Battelle develops advanced equipment and systems for chemical and biological defense, electronics and avionics, information management, and munitions and ordnance.
In 1996, Battelle supported the survivability and effectiveness of the individual soldier. To protect Special Operations Forces, our staff designed, fabricated, and tested a ceramic body armor plate. This plate, designed for the U.S. Army Ranger vest, provides increased protection and is 30 percent lighter in weight than the previous plate. In addition to protective wear, Battelle helped develop soldier subsystems, which simplify field mapping, information collection, and reconnaissance missions. And to ensure timely response to critical medical needs, while streamlining costs, our information management specialists are computerizing military patient records. This work, for the Office of the Secretary of Defense, Health Affairs, will provide immediate access and remote retrieval of medical information.

Then here they are collecting and stockpiling all the chemical weapons from Russia

Battelle supports worldwide efforts to ban the use, stockpile, and proliferation of chemical and biological weapons. We manage laboratory operations and conduct chemical monitoring for the U.S. Army's Tooele and Anniston Chemical Agent Disposal Facilities. Battelle also supports the Russian Chemical Weapons Demilitarization Program. And Battelle teamed with Lockheed Martin to design an automated biological warfare detection system that meets the needs of all four branches of the U.S. military.

They're involved with the spread of AIDS.

To address the continuing spread of AIDS, Battelle is evaluating the role of primary care providers in HIV/STD prevention for the National Institute of Mental Health. This program identifies provider characteristics and environmental factors affecting the likelihood of practitioners to assess HIV/STD risk and provide preventive counseling and diagnostic testing. Battelle is laying the groundwork for effective intervention strategies that increase practitioner provision of HIV/STD control services. In addition, Battelle supported the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on a survey aimed at identifying behaviors that may decrease the transmission of HIV/STD among teenagers.

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

Since you claim to be such a expert on contrails and apparently you think you're an expert on this whole subject. Let me pose a hypothetical scenario to you and let me hear your response.

If someone was to chemically alter jet fuel with extra particulate matter and those particulates were coated with special polymers so they did not affect the normal functions of the jet engine. How do you suppose those particulates in the exhaust would effect the formation of the exhausts contrails?

Come on someone should be able to answer this question or are you all not as smart as you say you all are? What would the contrails of a Jet with extra particulate matter in the fuel look like ?

reply to post by MathiasAndrew


Since it is hypothetical it ain't happening, so it is irrelvant - why would I bother trying to figure it out? Waht woudl be the point?

reply to post by MathiasAndrew


Sorry, but after reading the portion of text you brought from external source, and then seeing how YOU interpreted it?:

They're involved with the spread of AIDS.

I think it can be well-established that your ability to read and comprehend even the most basic articles and information suffers from some sort of disconnect or dysfunction.

You may wish to consider seeking some professional medical advice, just in case. There really could be some underlying medical issue that may be quite dangerous, at work here. Only you can make that decision, and think about seeing after your own well-being......

reply to post by weedwhacker


You liked that didn't you..LOL....I thought that might get your attention. Come on seriously though. Answer the question, what would contrails from a jet with extra particulate matter added to the fuel look like ?

This is the third time I have asked this question. I'm starting to think you guys are trying to avoid the question.

reply to post by MathiasAndrew


Ah - well since you put it that way, if you add particulate matter to jet fuel you stop getting contrails at all - 'cos the engine fails:

reply to post by MathiasAndrew

....what would contrails from a jet with extra particulate matter added to the fuel look like ?

Well....for starters, besides the fact that the engines would self-destruct rather quickly...before that, you'd see all of the emissions coming out the exhaust AS SOON AS you started the engines...on the ground.

On the ramp.

Taxiing out.

During takeoff, leaving trails everywhere.....in fact, if it made it as far as the takeoff, then you could follow those trails to the smoking hole in the ground to find the spot where the airplane crashed.......

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


Wrong, read the question again. I stated in the first place when i asked this question awhile back that the particles have been bonded with special lubricating polymers that don't allow them to interfere with the normal functions of the engine

In fact they actually have a polishing effect.

reply to post by MathiasAndrew



If that's the case then it sounds like you are writing a science fiction novel.

You do understand that polishing is actually errosion don't you? It is smooth errosion, but it is errosion none-the-less....so the parts will wear away faster if there is anythign particulate in the fuel - regardles of how well lubricated it is - and kerosene is already a lubricant.....

soon after I finished my apprenticeship as a mechanic I worked for a year of so overhauling fuel system compnents for RR Dart and Prat 7 Whitney JT8D engines, including fuel nozzles.

We used to change the fuel flow rates on indificual nozzles by lapping senstive parts using kerosene on writing paper - THAT is how sensitive they are to dimensional changes. Liquid kerosene on it's own won't change them - but the abrasino of the writing paper was enough to make measureable differences.

So I am sure you will undestand if I am skeptical that you can put anything into the fuel that won't change the characteristics of the system.

So unless you are going to identify this miracle substance, and explain exactly how it works in the environment you are proposing that it exists in, and how it combusts without leaving any detritus, I fail to see the point of this thought exercise.

Last time you tried to play 20 questions with us you came up with a big fat nothign at eth end - is there a prospect that you are actually going to have something at the end of thisthat has some verifiable evidence, or is it all going to rest upon supposition?

add some info

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by MathiasAndrew

 

....what would contrails from a jet with extra particulate matter added to the fuel look like ?

Well....for starters, besides the fact that the engines would self-destruct rather quickly...before that, you'd see all of the emissions coming out the exhaust AS SOON AS you started the engines...on the ground.

On the ramp.

Taxiing out.

During takeoff, leaving trails everywhere.....in fact, if it made it as far as the takeoff, then you could follow those trails to the smoking hole in the ground to find the spot where the airplane crashed.......

edit on 8 March 2011 by weedwhacker because: (no reason given)

Haven't any of you guys done your homework. The science behind this should be old news to you all. You and I both know full well that there are multiple fuel systems supplies and controls. Quit dodging the actual question.Using the knowledge behind the the theories of nano technology and hybrid fuel along with particulate/polymer blend additives. What then ? I already posted a paper showing a study done on particulates being added to fuel in an attempt to try and reduce contrails. So none of your answers have been valid thus far.

reply to post by MathiasAndrew


>sigh<

In fact they actually have a polishing effect.

You really have no idea, do you? THAT would be VERY, VERY bad for an engine...a jet engine that operates with very fine tolerances and carefully measured and machined gaps....

....because, do you know what you are doing when you are "polishing"?? You are removing material. This would open up those close tolerances, and result in, again, engine destruction.

BUT< your fantasy won't work anyway, as I have written about many times. The fuel filters, in the path the fuel takes from tank to engine, for one thing. The final high-pressure filters are very fine mesh.

Also....it is impossible to "add" any significant amounts of anything to the fuel without detection. Do you understand specific gravity, and weight of a liquid? Altering it by adding some foreign material, will significantly alter those numbers. AND, many measuring devices on the airplanes will be thrown off.....especially the fuel quantity indication systems.

Fuel quantity isn't measured the way it is in your car!! (Or, in light airplanes)....it isn't done with a simple "float switch" or potentiometer...!

Devices are submerged in the fuel, at many places in the tank. They measure its density, and then add up all the data to derive the quantity (measure in pounds, or kilograms --- depending on the preference of the company and country operating the airplane).

You can forget about this nonsense.....it is as much hooey as the rest of your ideas.......

reply to post by MathiasAndrew




Given your inability to comprehend AIDS, destruction of Russia's NBC stockpile, body armour, QA monitoring of particulate measuring equipment, and everything else you have posted, what is this wonderful knowledge that clearly you have that we lack??

Go-on......show us shmucks what we don't know??

I'm dying with anticipation!

A paper shows that particulates are added to REDUCE contrails....priceless.....

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

Wrong, read the question again. I stated in the first place when i asked this question awhile back that the particles have been bonded with special lubricating polymers that don't allow them to interfere with the normal functions of the engine

In fact they actually have a polishing effect.

edit on 8-3-2011 by MathiasAndrew because: (no reason given)

Science is not your strong suit is it?? Let me ask you a question what happens to polymers when subjected to heat?

Since you have all ready shown a handicap when it comes to science ill answer for you. Once the bonds are broken, the polymer is subject to reforming in an uncontrolled manner. Or in other words chemical decomposition especially when exposed to oxygen. What would this mean to a jet engine you may ask black smoke then a plunge towards the earth.

Man all you smelly skunks just love to hang out here stinking up the place. Well here's a nice big chemtrail for you all to choke on. Skunk works my arse y'all are just bunch of jive turkeys flapping yo ur wings saying gobble gobble gobble. Y'all don't seem to be getting very far and someone's probably gonna come along soon and whack off your big turkey necks. When I sit here laughing at y'all trying to answer all the posts and doing your damage control. Now that's funny. Big bunch of cackling hens all in a circle staring at the screen waiting to jump on any opportunity to feed your false egos. Man if you could only see yourselves. I know exactly how to take care of this group of washed up has been wanna bees who never were so they came here to talk about what they can't do. Here some more Chemtrails for you derelicks He who laughs last, laughs best. Eat my dust pin heads. You all really do remind me off a bunch of comic book character rejects.

You may think it's funny now but wait till this is you. The super bug is coming to get ya.
How does it feel to know you're a stooge? Did you aspire to this position or did it come naturally? Keep up now, you wouldn't want someone to see this and get any bright ideas
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Let's go around the room now and I'll let each one of you tell your story of when you "sold your soul and became a stooge for the man". Then we can all enjoy this tasty quote from the pages of history
www.all-natural.com...
www.law.cornell.edu...

US Civilian Biological Testing Law Repealed From Joyce Riley vonKleist, R.N., B.S.N. Capt. USAF Inactive Reserve 5-9-98 For over twenty years the Department of Defense (DoD) or their contractors were allowed to use the American people as "guinea pigs" for testing of chemical or biological agents. Since July 30th, 1977, the United States Code annotated Title 50, Chapter 32, Section 1520 remained on the books until drawn into the arena of public discussion on talk radio. Last year, Joyce Riley vonKleist R.N., presented this as a topic of discussion on several national radio talk shows and was immediately greeted with skepticism and ridicule by many news directors and editors who refused to acknowledge the existence of such a law. The debate raged on for several months and many listeners took the initiative and the time to research this law only to find that it indeed existed! At the suggestion of the AGWVA, thousands of letters and phone calls poured in to public officials' offices demanding an explanation and their position statement on this law. Due to overwhelming public outcry, section 1520 was quietly repealed by the passing of H. R. 1119, the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal years 1998 and 1999. Section 1078 of this bill prohibits the DoD, either directly or by contract, from conducting tests or experiments using chemical or biological agents on human subjects (with exceptions). Under the (just repealed) law, the DoD has been permitted to conduct such a test or experiment if informed consent is obtained. According to U. S. Senator Olympia Snowe (ME), the conference report on H. R. 1119 was passed by the Senate, by a vote of 90-10 on November 6, 1997 and signed into law by President Clinton on November 18th, 1997.

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
Let's go around the room now and I'll let each one of you tell your story of when you "sold your soul and became a stooge for the man". Then we can all enjoy this tasty quote from the pages of history
www.all-natural.com...
www.law.cornell.edu...

US Civilian Biological Testing Law Repealed From Joyce Riley vonKleist, R.N., B.S.N. Capt. USAF Inactive Reserve 5-9-98 For over twenty years the Department of Defense (DoD) or their contractors were allowed to use the American people as "guinea pigs" for testing of chemical or biological agents. Since July 30th, 1977, the United States Code annotated Title 50, Chapter 32, Section 1520 remained on the books until drawn into the arena of public discussion on talk radio. Last year, Joyce Riley vonKleist R.N., presented this as a topic of discussion on several national radio talk shows and was immediately greeted with skepticism and ridicule by many news directors and editors who refused to acknowledge the existence of such a law. The debate raged on for several months and many listeners took the initiative and the time to research this law only to find that it indeed existed! At the suggestion of the AGWVA, thousands of letters and phone calls poured in to public officials' offices demanding an explanation and their position statement on this law. Due to overwhelming public outcry, section 1520 was quietly repealed by the passing of H. R. 1119, the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal years 1998 and 1999. Section 1078 of this bill prohibits the DoD, either directly or by contract, from conducting tests or experiments using chemical or biological agents on human subjects (with exceptions). Under the (just repealed) law, the DoD has been permitted to conduct such a test or experiment if informed consent is obtained. According to U. S. Senator Olympia Snowe (ME), the conference report on H. R. 1119 was passed by the Senate, by a vote of 90-10 on November 6, 1997 and signed into law by President Clinton on November 18th, 1997.

But of course they always cover themselves and each state has it own laws to cover themselves that all sound similar to this one -

Colarado 36-20-123 (1) The mere dissemination of materials and substances into the atmosphere pursuant to an authorised project shall not give rise to the contention or concept that the use of the atmosphere constitutes trespass or involves an actionable or enjoinable private or public nuisance

reply to post by Seagle


Yes unfortunately besides the state laws, the law I posted was repealed back in Feb 2010. I just wanted to reminisce for a moment. I been having some fun with the resident skunks. Deny deny deny

David Icke tells a tall tale of truth

Originally posted by Essan

No, because there is no weather modification (other than fog dispersal at airports) conducted in Britain.

What makes you so sure, the UK has some of the most advanced atmospheric research equipment in the world but when it comes to weather modification, they don't have a very good record of honesty now do they?

While there are clear humanitarian reasons for wanting to manipulate the weather, there is also a dark history around previous attempts to do so. The British, Russian and American governments have all conducted top-secret weather modification projects, sometimes with disastrous consequences.

In 1952, a freak storm destroyed the sleep Devonshire village of Lynemouth. The storm led to catastrophic flooding that destroyed the town and killed 35 people. It was the most destructive storm in British history, but was it a natural one?

Within days of the catastrophe, there were rumours of secret experiments which the Met. office and Ministry of Defence flatly denied.

Then a witness came forward. A glider pilot Alan Yates, now deceased, told a BBC journalist that, just prior to the Lynemouth flood, he had taken part in a government-sponsored cloud-seeding experiment. Yates told the journalist that he and his colleagues had seeded clouds over the Bedfordshire countryside and had witnessed the effects for themselves.

Recently declassified documents have confirmed that the experiment, codenamed Operation Cumulus, took place in the first two weeks of August 1952 and coincided with the heaviest rainfall in Bedfordshire for many years. The experiment was heralded as a resounding success, until the rain continued to spread west into Devon.

More than 50 years after the event, it is impossible to say if cloud-seeding really did trigger the most destructive storm in British history, or if it was just an unfortunate coincidence. What is clear, is that is that the government, anxious not to be blamed, closed the project down and denied it had ever taken place.

Link to article Playing God with the weather