Why hasn't the US made a formal apology to the Native Americans?

reply to post by superman2012


I take it you are a European Immigrant descendent? if not, sorry, but knowing the Natives, they are more intuned with the Earth and with Nature than you or I, and when you take away the home of their ancestors, it is devestating to them and their mental well being

Originally posted by TheForgottenOnes

Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by TheForgottenOnes

Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by TheForgottenOnes

Originally posted by caf1550
see i agree and disagree with this..

first yes what happened to your people was a terrible thing but most people werent around when the atrocities where committed

why should the america of today have to apologize for something that the america of the past did

Of course that is ancient history, America is much younger. I made the point that none of the 'founding fathers' were native to America, at least not by a couple of generations or so, and that that should be a pause for reflection.

ancient history? this happened 40 years ago, sterilisation happened to as much as 25-50% of Native women ages 14 to 40 in the late 60's and early 70's...how is this ancient? it's one thing for an invading country to take over a country, but for an invading army to treat the natives less than humans, and to pay colonists 25 cents for an indian scalp, well thats what a Native life is worth? they were getting more for wolf heads. I read an article from a Native a while back, talking about Avatar and the similaritys in the film and how the Whites treated them, I'll try to find it soon

I made the point that Roman/Viking invasion was more ancient, not American independence and its treatment of native people. If native people were sterilised against their will then that on its own is a reason for apology. I'm sorry, I think you may have misunderstood my post.

You could look at Avatar as an allegory of any country colonising another, but it's going to always be a romantic notion, sorry, easy to use.

Originally posted by TheForgottenOnes
reply to post by superman2012

 

I take it you are a European Immigrant descendent? if not, sorry, but knowing the Natives, they are more intuned with the Earth and with Nature than you or I, and when you take away the home of their ancestors, it is devestating to them and their mental well being

My grandparents home was taken away by Hitler's army. They moved here with nothing and provided for their 5 children...who in turn provided for their children...and now I provide for mine...having never used any gov't handouts. I have worked hard for everything I have as did my parents and grandparents. So, using the Indian reasoning, I should be sitting at home bemoaning Hitler's army and Germany for my grandparents plight!? No. My grandparents had pride, so do my parents and so do I. I may complain about the gov't, the weather and taxes...but at least I have earned that right.

I'm part Cherokee. My ancestors invaded modern-day Scotland and were there for many generations. Then we were run out of Scotland and ran to Ireland. Lived there a couple generations and were run out of there.

Came to America, and damn if the British didn't have to start a ruckus in America. Well, we fought them at Waxhaws and King's Mountain. We fought them during the entire war.

Atrocities happen because of movements. Movements of people occur because of wars, weather, catastrophe, overpopulation, and many other reasons. My Cherokee ancestors were from somewhere else before they settled in the Appalachians, and no record exists of those who were there before.

We see in the fossil records here in America of older tribes and peoples than the Indian tribes that existed when white men first came to these shores. Everyone pushed off or killed off those before.

It's a hell of a way to do things, but that's the way it worked. If you couldn't hold what you had, someone else took it. And others who would come later may take it away from them.

I was out at the battlefield of the Little Big Horn, and walked over to the Indian monument. I got in a casual conversation with a Sioux, and nodding toward the other monument, "Custer came looking for a fight. He got one."

Looking at my blonde hair and blue eyes, he looked at me questioningly, so I continued. "My great-great uncle fought him up and down the Shenandoah Valley with Moseby, while my great-great grandfather rode with Bloody Bill Anderson. Custer was a cocky, cold-blooded murdering SOB. He deserved this, but some men in his command didn't."

This nation will one day fall, and there will be others who replace us.

And they won't apologize either.

Remember the Seinfeld episode where he was dating a native but didnt want to sound racist? Even though he had made reservations at a nice restaurant and scalped some tickets to a nicks game. She turned out to be an Indian giver later on in the episode. It was a good one.

Sorry just trying to add some meaning to this thread. America was run by Europeans when your ancestors were being mistreated. Or something Im done.

reply to post by TheForgottenOnes


wow you people make me sick you want an apology? from who the "government"? is free medical, assisted living, welfare, checks for just being native, and whatever else perks come with it not enough? i live in anchorage alaska and i see plenty of natives and idians, they all brag about the money they got, and still get and alot spend it on alcohal and drugs, there is actually a problem here with homeless people majority natives who go into gift stores and steal things and sell it on the street to tourist or get drunk and make a scene. so im sorry that your people still dont have enough.

Originally posted by TheForgottenOnes
It's not individual apologies I think the Natives want, it's just recognition of a government's wrong doings...[snip]

Home

Where is home? Home is where family and friends are. Family and friends do not require more mandatory regulations (laws) than any one individual can learn within one lifetime. This is not an example of how family and friends treat eachother... not an example of home. How many laws are there? Can I learn them all before I die?

Governments spend a lot of money (taxes) on psychological warfair tactics in order to deter their people from learning that they cannot learn all the rules to the game .... and package it as "democracy" or "Freedumb".

Native Americans think they have lost their home? More laws than what any one child can learn in their lifetime is not an example of home.

Where is home?

peace friend,
somsom

reply to post by TheForgottenOnes
I think you need to get over it and move on as it probably isn't going to ever happen.

Originally posted by yrwehere1
reply to post by TheForgottenOnes

 

I think you need to get over it and move on as it probably isn't going to ever happen.

Once again, it's not me that's asking for forgiveness, I'm just wondering how a Nation such as the United States can still treat a defeated people with such disrespect and let them be second class citizens, I think alot of people that are posting are showing their true colours, but this wasn't my intent on this thread, I don't care if they use drugs and steal...it's wrong, and I'm not making excuses for their actions, but I just have a feeling that one day someone bigger and badder than the US will come along and try to exterminate you guys, and 400 years along... people might be having this same discussion about why they don't apologize to the New Native Americans

reply to post by TheForgottenOnes

I honor Native Americans as few could. I respect them.

I'm still waiting on a British apology for chasing my family out of Scotland, Ireland, and then chasing us to this nation and attacking us yet again.

We got shuck of them, but to date, no apology.

You may note that our heads are connected to the front. And you may further note that our eyes are in the front of our head.

Looking back finds no new promise.

Only things gone on.

Great first post by the way...look how many people you have coming out and thinking, researching and teaching people about all aspects of this! Star and Flag for you!!!

They dont pay taxes.

When are the Japanese going to apologize and admit to their atrocities during the second world war?

If a European apologizes in general, who it should it be?
I'd say the Monarchs of Britain.
However, the last time Elisabeth visited Bush Junior, the Native Americans seemed to be at her feet.

Originally posted by superman2012
Great first post by the way...look how many people you have coming out and thinking, researching and teaching people about all aspects of this! Star and Flag for you!!!

Thank you very much!!!

Would it do any good? How would an apology from me if I was the president help mend and now distrust/hatred that the Native Americans have for the Americans..Have we apologized for slavery I think what has been done is atonement to the Native Americans..I know that families of former slaves wish to recieve reparations which is a form of atonement. To me any apology from any president to anyone would feel scripted and not genuine. I find it fascinating to think what the world would have looked like if the people of that time could have coexisted peacefully and I do mean the world not just the United States because the impact of the two cultures could have have been far reaching..who knows..

Originally posted by TheForgottenOnes
reply to post by superman2012

 

but knowing the Natives, they are more intuned with the Earth and with Nature than you or I, and when you take away the home of their ancestors, it is devestating to them and their mental well being

...your statement is false...

...if this topic was truly important to you, researching it thoroughly should have been your first step - but - jumping in with very little accurate info was the course you chose and thats a shame...

...your heart might have been in the right place but, for the most part, all your thread has done is open the door to those who want to denigrate ndns or project their own generalizations / half-truths / lies... thats not helpful...

...heres a suggestion... you're an aussie - so, why dont you dig into the genocide committed there against the aboriginals?... research that heavily (in a library, not online where you cant always validate the source) and dont forget to investigate forced poverty as well as the attitudes of the predominate society then and today... maybe that will give you a better understanding of what happened in the americas in the past...

reply to post by apacheman


Get off YOUR land?

Do you have the deed?

Ain't gonna happen.

Get over it and move on.

I am German/Irish/Cherokee and even though I've been told by full blooded Natives that the Cherokees don't count I still identify heavily with the struggle of the Native people. My family/extended family members are all varying amounts of Native and many other people I know and love are Native. Hailing from Oklahoma it seems that most people born here have some Native blood in them. I don't know how it works in other states, but one of my best friends who is 3/4 Creek told me he & his family get commodities, free healthcare, and they can sign up for free housing on a reservation. Now, those "benefits" are very sub-par...at best and none of the Natives I know get any money from Indian Casinos which are the only ones allowed here. Does that pay for the genocide of millions, the obliteration of societies and cultures, many of which have been wiped off the face of the earth and forgotten by history? No, but I grew up two streets away from my friend and we had the same basic upbringing as far as family wealth is concerned and I get none of these things (My great great grandmother didn't register as a Native out of fear.) It's also more than African Americans are getting and I'm pretty sure it's more than any other group that has been ravaged by the U.S. government, which is quite a list. Unfortunately there really isn't a lot that can or will be done. Asking for reparations is like asking for Ferraris, it's not going to happen. An official apology , although a nice politically correct gesture, is really meaningless and would mean nothing to me and the people I know. Too little, too late. There's no realistic way that this situation can be made right, there's just too much gray.

Originally posted by Wyn Hawks

Originally posted by TheForgottenOnes
reply to post by superman2012

 

but knowing the Natives, they are more intuned with the Earth and with Nature than you or I, and when you take away the home of their ancestors, it is devestating to them and their mental well being

...your statement is false...

...if this topic was truly important to you, researching it thoroughly should have been your first step - but - jumping in with very little accurate info was the course you chose and thats a shame...

...your heart might have been in the right place but, for the most part, all your thread has done is open the door to those who want to denigrate ndns or project their own generalizations / half-truths / lies... thats not helpful...

...heres a suggestion... you're an aussie - so, why dont you dig into the genocide committed there against the aboriginals?... research that heavily (in a library, not online where you cant always validate the source) and dont forget to investigate forced poverty as well as the attitudes of the predominate society then and today... maybe that will give you a better understanding of what happened in the americas in the past...

what could be further from the truth? here's the truth, my Husband is a Native American, born and raised on a reservation, we moved to America, we live 12 miles from the reservation he grew up on I go to their pow-wows and everything, I am very much fascinated in their way of life, but also touched by the hardships they have had to endure over the countless centuries, I know the truths through the ones that have experianced it

I think we ALL (every single ethnic group) need an apology from the GREED driven families that have caused all the bad in human history. I think that sounds about right.