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Why hasn't the US made a formal apology to the Native Americans?

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posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by Blue Dreamer
I've always thought that US government already "apologized," guess I was wrong.


It happened in 2009. Link to the Bill where the Joint Resolution resides.


SECTION 1. RESOLUTION OF APOLOGY TO NATIVE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED STATES.

(a) Acknowledgment and Apology- The United States, acting through Congress--

(1) recognizes the special legal and political relationship Indian tribes have with the United States and the solemn covenant with the land we share;

(2) commends and honors Native Peoples for the thousands of years that they have stewarded and protected this land;

(3) recognizes that there have been years of official depredations, ill-conceived policies, and the breaking of covenants by the Federal Government regarding Indian tribes;

(4) apologizes on behalf of the people of the United States to all Native Peoples for the many instances of violence, maltreatment, and neglect inflicted on Native Peoples by citizens of the United States;

(5) expresses its regret for the ramifications of former wrongs and its commitment to build on the positive relationships of the past and present to move toward a brighter future where all the people of this land live reconciled as brothers and sisters, and harmoniously steward and protect this land together;

(6) urges the President to acknowledge the wrongs of the United States against Indian tribes in the history of the United States in order to bring healing to this land; and

(7) commends the State governments that have begun reconciliation efforts with recognized Indian tribes located in their boundaries and encourages all State governments similarly to work toward reconciling relationships with Indian tribes within their boundaries.

(b) Disclaimer- Nothing in this Joint Resolution--

(1) authorizes or supports any claim against the United States; or

(2) serves as a settlement of any claim against the United States.


The OP was wrong in their claim.

Obviously its absurd to blame people living now for things that occured before their birth and out of their control. You would have to be a certified fanatic to believe otherwise. I see your very rational about it as I suppose most are. Problem is the fanatics have loud shrill voices that make some think they are representative, when in fact they are a tiny fringe made up of irrational people and people looking for a way to scam some money playing the guilt card.




posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 04:49 PM
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Even if they did make an apology in 2009, what is it worth? Especially when it is so blatantly obvious they couldn't mean it any less. Probably just covering their asses, as usual.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by XxXAmmoXxX
Even if they did make an apology in 2009, what is it worth? Especially when it is so blatantly obvious they couldn't mean it any less. Probably just covering their asses, as usual.


Thank you for demonstrating "irrational".

Demand an apology then refuse the apology. You can't get more irrational than that I'm afraid. That ranks right up there with blaming people for things that happened before they were born, racism, hating people because of their religion or hating people based on their culture. Same mentality, just a different target.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 05:14 PM
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when did I demand an apology? I wouldn't have wasted my time. I do not ask for an apology for them blowing up Vieques and causing my people to suffer through the after effects of increased radiation either (and mind you that happened within OUR lifetime). Why? Because I know that any such apology would be 100% useless, pointless and fake

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posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by TheForgottenOnes

Originally posted by caf1550
see i agree and disagree with this..

first yes what happened to your people was a terrible thing but most people werent around when the atrocities where committed

why should the america of today have to apologize for something that the america of the past did



The Old America and New America still have the same government, thing is, this happened to every race, every colour, but with one minor difference, this is still happening every day to the Natives


Hello, I'm not American but do have to ask one thing..... there is no one race/tribe that represents the indigineous American people, in fact different tribes were locked in war with each other since their inception. America was colonised, America then became an independent country. Its 'forefathers' chose not to include any indigineous people among their own. That I feel is deserving of an apology as they assumed the land was theirs to pass judgement on, not sure about anyone else.

I'm in England, should I expect an apology from the descendents of Ancient Rome or Vikings anytime soon?



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by Blue Dreamer
I've always thought that US government already "apologized," guess I was wrong.


It happened in 2009. Link to the Bill where the Joint Resolution resides.


SECTION 1. RESOLUTION OF APOLOGY TO NATIVE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED STATES.

(a) Acknowledgment and Apology- The United States, acting through Congress--

(1) recognizes the special legal and political relationship Indian tribes have with the United States and the solemn covenant with the land we share;

(2) commends and honors Native Peoples for the thousands of years that they have stewarded and protected this land;

(3) recognizes that there have been years of official depredations, ill-conceived policies, and the breaking of covenants by the Federal Government regarding Indian tribes;

(4) apologizes on behalf of the people of the United States to all Native Peoples for the many instances of violence, maltreatment, and neglect inflicted on Native Peoples by citizens of the United States;

(5) expresses its regret for the ramifications of former wrongs and its commitment to build on the positive relationships of the past and present to move toward a brighter future where all the people of this land live reconciled as brothers and sisters, and harmoniously steward and protect this land together;

(6) urges the President to acknowledge the wrongs of the United States against Indian tribes in the history of the United States in order to bring healing to this land; and

(7) commends the State governments that have begun reconciliation efforts with recognized Indian tribes located in their boundaries and encourages all State governments similarly to work toward reconciling relationships with Indian tribes within their boundaries.

(b) Disclaimer- Nothing in this Joint Resolution--

(1) authorizes or supports any claim against the United States; or

(2) serves as a settlement of any claim against the United States.


The OP was wrong in their claim.

Obviously its absurd to blame people living now for things that occured before their birth and out of their control. You would have to be a certified fanatic to believe otherwise. I see your very rational about it as I suppose most are. Problem is the fanatics have loud shrill voices that make some think they are representative, when in fact they are a tiny fringe made up of irrational people and people looking for a way to scam some money playing the guilt card.

you can tell this is a sincere apology by the way they put a disclaimer in...sounds just like lawyer written BS that is sugar coated



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 05:29 PM
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apology

An apology would not change the past. But this might at least bring a smile to your heart.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by TheForgottenOnes

Originally posted by caf1550
see i agree and disagree with this..

first yes what happened to your people was a terrible thing but most people werent around when the atrocities where committed

why should the america of today have to apologize for something that the america of the past did



The Old America and New America still have the same government, thing is, this happened to every race, every colour, but with one minor difference, this is still happening every day to the Natives


Hello, I'm not American but do have to ask one thing..... there is no one race/tribe that represents the indigineous American people, in fact different tribes were locked in war with each other since their inception. America was colonised, America then became an independent country. Its 'forefathers' chose not to include any indigineous people among their own. That I feel is deserving of an apology as they assumed the land was theirs to pass judgement on, not sure about anyone else.

I'm in England, should I expect an apology from the descendents of Ancient Rome or Vikings anytime soon?
Romans and Vikings do not own England now, and forced you to live in ghettos...they do no steralize you, and make you feel less than a citizen of the land you once called home
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posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 05:31 PM
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It was a horrible thing, yes. But then, when would the other tribes apologize to the ones they attacked and took over BEFORE europe got there? EVERY nation in the world has done soemthing to someone else that they need to apologize for, but it won't happen.

Sad, I know, but Think of all similar happenings, and then try and say yours is any different



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by chancemusky
It was a horrible thing, yes. But then, when would the other tribes apologize to the ones they attacked and took over BEFORE europe got there? EVERY nation in the world has done soemthing to someone else that they need to apologize for, but it won't happen.

Sad, I know, but Think of all similar happenings, and then try and say yours is any different


In no way have I said this was different, I have merely tried to say that these injustices are still happening...In America?!?! why isn't more known about this? I'm not a Native like I said, my husband is, but the way it affects the Native polulation, it's just heart breaking to me...they walk around and to me, they look like a defeated and broken nation, no pride left, their culture is lost, their children are killing themselves in record numbers? why? Because no one gives a rats ***
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posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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To acknowledge a long history of official depredations and ill-conceived policies by the United States Government regarding Indian tribes and offer an apology to all Native Peoples... (Introduced in House)
HJ 3 IH

109th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. J. RES. 3

To acknowledge a long history of official depredations and ill-conceived policies by the United States Government regarding Indian tribes and offer an apology to all Native Peoples on behalf of the United States.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
January 4, 2005

Read more




Official U.S. Apology to Native Americans, Resolution Signed by President Obama




I, somsom, born in 1971 in Illinois, would like to whole heartedly apologize for my personal involvement in suppressing the Native American population.


Hope this helps OP

Pleasantries,
somsom


edit on 27-2-2011 by somsom because: fix a bb code typo



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 05:45 PM
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Romans and Vikings do not own England now, and forced you to live in ghettos...they do no steralize you, and make you feel less than a citizen of the land you once called home


Nobody is forcing the N.A community into ghettos. All of this has been their choice for years and years. Native Americans have had the ability to acquire jobs, acquire education, and better themselves for years now.

From the ones I've had conversations with about this... they all seem to have a complex issue with what happened hundreds of years ago. African Americans have moved past the slavery issue... even more-so when it becomes apparent that it wasn't JUST the whites that sold and bought them in the same regards as cattle.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by TheForgottenOnes

Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by TheForgottenOnes

Originally posted by caf1550
see i agree and disagree with this..

first yes what happened to your people was a terrible thing but most people werent around when the atrocities where committed

why should the america of today have to apologize for something that the america of the past did



The Old America and New America still have the same government, thing is, this happened to every race, every colour, but with one minor difference, this is still happening every day to the Natives


Hello, I'm not American but do have to ask one thing..... there is no one race/tribe that represents the indigineous American people, in fact different tribes were locked in war with each other since their inception. America was colonised, America then became an independent country. Its 'forefathers' chose not to include any indigineous people among their own. That I feel is deserving of an apology as they assumed the land was theirs to pass judgement on, not sure about anyone else.

I'm in England, should I expect an apology from the descendents of Ancient Rome or Vikings anytime soon?
Romans and Vikings do not own England now, and forced you to live in ghettos...they do no steralize you, and make you feel less than a citizen of the land you once called home
edit on 27-2-2011 by TheForgottenOnes because: (no reason given)


Well that's not much of an argument is it? Who is sterilising native Americans against their will today? Really? If that is happening then I'm shocked. But your point is in error. A country was invaded, the people cast in servitude and another country held sway. The course of that nation changed at that point and who knows what would have happened if it were not the case.

Of course that is ancient history, America is much younger. I made the point that none of the 'founding fathers' were native to America, at least not by a couple of generations or so, and that that should be a pause for reflection.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by somsom
reply to post by TheForgottenOnes
 


source

To acknowledge a long history of official depredations and ill-conceived policies by the United States Government regarding Indian tribes and offer an apology to all Native Peoples... (Introduced in House)
HJ 3 IH

109th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. J. RES. 3

To acknowledge a long history of official depredations and ill-conceived policies by the United States Government regarding Indian tribes and offer an apology to all Native Peoples on behalf of the United States.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
January 4, 2005

Read more




Official U.S. Apology to Native Americans, Resolution Signed by President Obama




I, somsom, born in 1971 in Illinois, would like to whole heartedly apologize for my personal involvement in suppressing the Native American population.


Hope this helps OP

Pleasantries,
somsom


edit on 27-2-2011 by somsom because: fix a bb code typo
It's not individual apologies I think the Natives want, it's just recognition of a government's wrong doings...but thank you none-the-less... anyone can be ordered to do something, whether it's roman viking english american or even native, but when a government still mistreats the natives, thats the biggest crime



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 05:49 PM
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What happened to Native Americans reminds me a lot of what happened to Aboriginals of Australia, and what happened to Africa.
The Native Americans fought until the end and now there are barely any full blooded Natives left. It had to be a point during the fighting that the Natives had to realize they were in a loosing battle and should've stopped fighting. When you can't beat join em. But I do realize that the Natives being on their home turf only fueled their fire and made them fight the invading savages even harder.
And for that the Natives do deserve an apology because I think I've only met 1 or 2 full blooded Natives Americans in my whole 34 years of living.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 05:50 PM
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I didn't read all the posts here so appologies if this was already brought up.
I think a variation of an apology was in the form of casinos and tax exemptions. a lot of poor Indian tribes/cultures got a pretty sizable grant of money via casinos. -- which I think is a positive thing to the peoples.

the entire planet has been subject to land grabs in the past, it's how things used to roll back in the day.
the US is just another part of that land grab. and unfortunately people were displaced and treated wrong, just as in all other countries in the past.
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posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by TheForgottenOnes

Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by TheForgottenOnes

Originally posted by caf1550
see i agree and disagree with this..

first yes what happened to your people was a terrible thing but most people werent around when the atrocities where committed

why should the america of today have to apologize for something that the america of the past did



The Old America and New America still have the same government, thing is, this happened to every race, every colour, but with one minor difference, this is still happening every day to the Natives


Hello, I'm not American but do have to ask one thing..... there is no one race/tribe that represents the indigineous American people, in fact different tribes were locked in war with each other since their inception. America was colonised, America then became an independent country. Its 'forefathers' chose not to include any indigineous people among their own. That I feel is deserving of an apology as they assumed the land was theirs to pass judgement on, not sure about anyone else.

I'm in England, should I expect an apology from the descendents of Ancient Rome or Vikings anytime soon?
Romans and Vikings do not own England now, and forced you to live in ghettos...they do no steralize you, and make you feel less than a citizen of the land you once called home
edit on 27-2-2011 by TheForgottenOnes because: (no reason given)


Well that's not much of an argument is it? Who is sterilising native Americans against their will today? Really? If that is happening then I'm shocked. But your point is in error. A country was invaded, the people cast in servitude and another country held sway. The course of that nation changed at that point and who knows what would have happened if it were not the case.

Of course that is ancient history, America is much younger. I made the point that none of the 'founding fathers' were native to America, at least not by a couple of generations or so, and that that should be a pause for reflection.
ancient history? this happened 40 years ago, sterilisation happened to as much as 25-50% of Native women ages 14 to 40 in the late 60's and early 70's...how is this ancient? it's one thing for an invading country to take over a country, but for an invading army to treat the natives less than humans, and to pay colonists 25 cents for an indian scalp, well thats what a Native life is worth? they were getting more for wolf heads. I read an article from a Native a while back, talking about Avatar and the similaritys in the film and how the Whites treated them, I'll try to find it soon



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by TheForgottenOnes

Originally posted by chancemusky
It was a horrible thing, yes. But then, when would the other tribes apologize to the ones they attacked and took over BEFORE europe got there? EVERY nation in the world has done soemthing to someone else that they need to apologize for, but it won't happen.

Sad, I know, but Think of all similar happenings, and then try and say yours is any different


In no way have I said this was different, I have merely tried to say that these injustices are still happening...In America?!?! why isn't more known about this? I'm not a Native like I said, my husband is, but the way it affects the Native polulation, it's just heart breaking to me...they walk around and to me, they look like a defeated and broken nation, no pride left, their culture is lost, their children are killing themselves in record numbers? why? Because no one gives a rats ***
edit on 27-2-2011 by TheForgottenOnes because: (no reason given)


If they don't care about themselves...why should I? My culture is lost...I am Canadian. My family is proud to be Canadian. I can't stand when a group of people fall to the bottom of the barrel and look for anyone to point their finger at rather then themselves. Look in an effin mirror. When you are given chances and opportunities that I don't have and you throw them away...how can you expect to be respected?!?? Of course I am talking about present day situation...not the past.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 06:00 PM
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At least Custer got what was coming to him.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 06:01 PM
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What is still happening in America to opress them and exterminate them? I haven't heard of any, so please share.




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