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Why is radiation high after UFO activity?

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posted on Feb, 18 2011 @ 02:22 PM
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In numerous cases that have reported UFOs and even ETs themselves, radiation levels shoot up after they have left the area. What's up with that? Some have suggested that rips in space-time can cause it.

Any ideas?




posted on Feb, 18 2011 @ 03:00 PM
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The very act of moving though space at any wheres near light speed will make almost any craft radioactive, thats a given ,so it may not be the crafts propulsion system that is responsible for any radiation detected at a site.This would be true with conventional travel but if they are really bending space / time to travel I have no clue If that would produce radioactivity at all.



posted on Feb, 18 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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Energy field around the craft as part of their propulsion mechanism... same thing that causes them to appear blurry in photos and cause shutting down of electronics in the vicimity



If they use a gravity field to warp space/time that would also account for missing time
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posted on Feb, 19 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by Topato
In numerous cases that have reported UFOs and even ETs themselves, radiation levels shoot up after they have left the area.
I haven't heard about those, can you give me a couple of examples?

One case I heard of was Rendlesham forest and it turned out to be a very dubious claim if you listen to Halt's tape or read the transcript. Ian Ridpath claims the meter spiked at twice background based on Halt's audio recording, Nick Pope claims the meter spiked at ten times background (which contradicts the information on Halt's recording), but in either case not only was the meter not capable of discerning fine differences in background radiation, but the background level could easily spike from something as simple as an a spot of clay in an area of sandy soil since some clay tends to be more radioactive than sandy soil, naturally.

Were the radiation readings significant?


The highest reading mentioned on the tape is “seven tenths”, i.e. 0.07 mR/h; this was a ‘spike’ obtained briefly at the centre of the site, not a steady level. In his memo, Halt reports a peak figure of 0.1 but we do not know where that was obtained, or whether it was just a rough value recalled from memory. The figure of 0.07 mentioned on the tape is only twice the general reading. Such a random jump could easily have been caused by natural sources, or even an accidental movement of the meter, and hence is not significant.

On behalf of Frank Close, NRPB contacted the American manufacturers of the AN/PDR-27, who stated that Halt’s peak measurement of 0.1 mR/h was the “bottom reading on the lowest range” of the monitor and was “of little or no significance”. They noted further that these instruments are designed to be used to monitor workplace fields or radiation levels after sizable nuclear incidents and are therefore not suitable for environmental monitoring at background levels. On the basis of this information from the manufacturers, NRPB concluded that using such an instrument to establish a level of 10 times background is not credible.
Look at the picture of the dial on that link,and note that it has settings of .5, 5, 50, 500, and presumably 5000 and a higher number where we can see the tick marks but no not the scale number.

The 0.07 mentioned on the tape is the highest value mentioned by Halt yet it's very tiny. and Halt's tape recording seems to confirm it's only twice the background he measured elsewhere where he was getting 0.03 - 0.04 readings.


On the tape we hear them describing the readings at the site as “minor clicks” and “three to four units”, i.e. 0.03 to 0.04 mR/h. They got these readings as they approached the site and then as they checked each of the supposed landing marks. Confirmation that this was only background radiation comes from the fact that the same levels were also recorded over half a mile away from the supposed landing site, after they had crossed two fields beyond the forest (read the transcript here).

And getting a two to one ratio in natural radiation isn't unusual at all, as this background radiation test shows:

ironside.sandia.gov...
The U-235 measurement outside Albuquerque city limits was 0.081, and it was only 0.047 at the Sandia Lab Complex, not quite double, but close.

That Rendlesham forest claim falls apart when you listen to Halt's recording and investigate a little.

Another case I heard of was the Cash-Landrum incident but Schuessler inspected the car and used a geiger counter to check for radioactivity and found none:


when Schuessler inspected Betty's car in early 1981 and used a geiger counter to check for radioactivity, he found none.
The victims were reported to have possibly encountered some kind of ionizing radiation while the UFO was actually there, but there is no evidence I know of that "radiation levels shoot up after they have left the area." in that incident either. In other words, if they were exposed to any radiation, it was only in the presence of the UFO and when the UFO left there was no more radiation. It's more analogous to getting an X-ray taken by a doctor except maybe the dosage was a little too high, if they really did get exposed to radiation. In order to conclude that they did, we would need some information about their health BEFORE the UFO incident, and nobody seems to have that information.

Which numerous UFO cases were you thinking of, that have reported radiation levels shoot up after they have left the area?



posted on Feb, 19 2011 @ 04:22 PM
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The only concrete example I know of is the one somewhere in Latin America... forgot where... but here is the video of them talking about the radiation going up:

www.youtube.com...

In part 34/51 (the one right before the above link) is the actual footage of an "alien" extending its hand and trying to grab the boy. In the following parts they enhance the footage to show its skinny, long arm, etc.

Anyway, they measured the radiation after the incident and it kept going up...

Other cases I only know of from books of abductees' accounts where investigators go to the abduction spot and measure the levels.

And yeah you mentioned Rendlesham already, so forget that one.
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posted on Feb, 19 2011 @ 04:35 PM
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the radiation readings are from the propulsion systems. and they dont bend space or time to travel, they are contained in their own atmosphere like world inside that ship. they have the technology to dematerialize and travel faster than the speed of light. able to travel as fast as particles and atoms. when they are approaching their destination they rematerialized. same way how they get in and out. their beam ships have the capabilities to dematerialize people from the ground and bring them up and rematerialized inside the ship. they say its often risky because there is a small chance that during the re materializing point you may not come back together they way you were lol...



posted on Feb, 19 2011 @ 04:49 PM
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Yep I think its the "exaust" from their tech.
Light and electricty seems too also be at play in lots of descriptions.
Im sure they have "shield" tech that most likely also constantly uses huger powers emitting the Radiate .
The attraction too lightning is some cases shows a Tesla like theory at work as well imo.



posted on Feb, 19 2011 @ 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by VType
Yep I think its the "exaust" from their tech.
Light and electricty seems too also be at play in lots of descriptions.
Im sure they have "shield" tech that most likely also constantly uses huger powers emitting the Radiate .
The attraction too lightning is some cases shows a Tesla like theory at work as well imo.



if you know anything about electricity and frequencies, you can also know that with a high enough output of electricity and radiation you can basically create your own environment. pressurized and all. hence why they are always glowing. the flow of electricity through their beam ships makes them glow. the outer layer of the ship is flowing with protons and electrons and neutrons. raw power...the setup is absolutely amazing



posted on Feb, 19 2011 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by Topato
www.youtube.com...

In part 34/51 (the one right before the above link) is the actual footage of an "alien" extending its hand and trying to grab the boy. In the following parts they enhance the footage to show its skinny, long arm, etc.
Thanks for the link, but this isn't a UFO, it's an alien (supposedly), right?

So all this talk about UFO propulsion systems, etc wouldn't apply to an alien without a ship would it?

So this makes the number of UFO radiation cases, the basis for this thread, zero?

I have my doubts that most people know what the heck they're doing with a geiger counter, unless they are a trained radiation specialist.

By the way that video is probably a fake, even though Maussan claims it's not, I don't believe Maussan any further than I can throw him:

Merida Alien Event Just a Prank


The recording, presented by Maussan as a world exclusive, is of poor quality and was made with cell phone. The pranksters claim that they made it "in order to make a good amount of money from the sale of that material", but are now afraid and undecided about disclosing the truth or maintaining the hoax.

"The events are fake. There is no such alien," said Sergio Valdez Diaz, member of the Centro de Investigacion de Fenomenos Paranormales, a group dedicated to studying such events. ...

The alleged entity's long arm, which touches the young man, is a visual effect. It was said that contact took place when the boy went to fetch the ball, but the ball was on the left and the post was on the right," stated Valdez Diaz, who met with the authors of the prank, all minors.


But you know Maussan's story is full of crap about "dark matter", which nobody knows what it is or has ever found it:


According to a written instrument sent to MILENIO by Jaime Maussan, radioactivity was found at the site where three youths recorded a seemingly non-human being on March 20, 2005 using a cell phone.

The text says that astronomer and physicist Jorge Guerrero stated that the discovery was astounding and inexplicable, since there is no reason to justify the existence of radiation in Fraccionamiento del parque. Measurements taken with specialized equipment detected the presence of radiation not deemed hazardous, but merely as "dark matter".
Do some research on "dark matter" and you'll see any claim that was involved with the "radiation" is surely a hoax. Nobody knows what dark matter is, nor have they measured any radiation from it, only gravitational effects.

You should be very suspicious of anything Maussan is involved in, since he's a known hoaxer.



posted on Feb, 19 2011 @ 10:24 PM
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Do some research on "dark matter" and you'll see any claim that was involved with the "radiation" is surely a hoax. Nobody knows what dark matter is

I'm going to frame that on my wall.



posted on Feb, 19 2011 @ 10:51 PM
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Look into the Cash-Landrum case. Two women and a young boy suffered severe burns and debilitating illness that was identical to radiation burns and radiation sickness. They suffered long term complications afterwards.

Happened near Dayton Texas in the early eighties I think.



posted on Feb, 19 2011 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Nobody knows what dark matter is, nor have they measured any radiation from it, only gravitational effects.


I do... turn out the lights in your room and walk into a wall... you will experience dark matter


Stephen Michalak in the Falcon Lake area in Manitoba, at noon on May 20, 1967,



Photograph of Stephen Michalak showing the geometric burn pattern on his body. Courtesy of ICUFON Archives.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

'Radiation' does not necessarily mean the type detected by a Geiger counter which are used to detect ionizing radiation. Light is radiation as well and if focused can burn some nice holes. So are radio waves and microwaves... which are more likely to be involved... and both those can cook your skin nicely. Don't try climbing a radio tower.

We usually talk of EM radiation with UFO's. Thought ionizing radiation IS part of the Em spectrum, it is generally classed separately



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by zorgon
I do... turn out the lights in your room and walk into a wall... you will experience dark matter




'Radiation' does not necessarily mean the type detected by a Geiger counter which are used to detect ionizing radiation. Light is radiation as well and if focused can burn some nice holes. So are radio waves and microwaves...
Yes but while the type of radiation measured with a geiger counter could conceivably stay elevated after a radioactive object left the area, the other types of radiation you mention (like EM radiation) wouldn't linger after the object left which was what the OP referred to:


Originally posted by Topato
In numerous cases that have reported UFOs and even ETs themselves, radiation levels shoot up after they have left the area. What's up with that?
If you take the light example, when the object leaves, the light goes with it, it doesn't "shoot up after they have left the area".



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 11:35 AM
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It looks like they deplete the area of all radioactivity.


There is a vein of uranium ore that runs from George West Texas to almost Texarkana Texas. When determining where to place a mine, the following steps are accomplished: (1) A geologist with a geiger counter flies over the area and finds the highest radiation reading. (2) Drilling trucks are sent out and core samples are drilled to determine the highest concentration of uranium ore. These core samples are drilled in a grid pattern and every core sample is given a tracking number and logged in showing the concentration and amount of uranium present. (3) The open pit mine is then laid out according to these core samples.

When this UFO incident happened, we were about 2 feet away from a layer of hard rock called the "tap rock" that laid directly on top of the uranium ore. The uranium ore varied in depth from 6 to 18 inches and had about the same brown color as low grade coal. Two days after this incident, the tap rock was removed to expose the uranium ore. We were astounded to find that the uranium ore was now a chalky white substance that had NO radioactivity at all! There was a 250 foot diameter circle of this chalky material in the center of the pit.

1971 UFO oncounter over Texas



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by Beavis

We were astounded to find that the uranium ore was now a chalky white substance that had NO radioactivity at all! There was a 250 foot diameter circle of this chalky material in the center of the pit.

1971 UFO oncounter over Texas
He also says:


I was one of 6 people operating Caterpillar 657B earth movers...
Could one infer from his occupation that he probably doesn't have an advanced degree in nuclear physics, or chemistry, or geology, or any field which might actually lend some credibility to his claim about non-radioactive uranium?

As far as I know, uranium ore is radioactive.

When he says the "uranium ore" wasn't radioactive, isn't it more likely that it wasn't really uranium ore?

He already said the color was much lighter than uranium ore, so from his description of the color, and the lack of radioactivity, I don't see how to not infer that the non-radioactive lighter colored substance he called uranium ore was actually something else. If he can't tell what it was by looking at it, it can be sent to a laboratory for analysis.

This is one of those "self-debunking" claims because everything he says about the substance suggests it isn't what he claims it is, and anything that might substantiate his claim like a lab test is lacking.

If I had to guess what could cause the phenomenon described, it could be something like an ancient pond that was roughly round and the chalky white substance was deposits left by the ancient pond.

The UFO sounds interesting, but he also says

Around the perimeter of the craft was hundreds of penlight size light beams that alternated in all colors of the spectrum. Now I know they were laser beams.
How does he know they were laser beams? They probably weren't because laser beams are invisible until they hit their target, so if they were lasers what he would have seen were spots on the ground where the lasers hit the ground...the beams themselves are typically invisible.

Whatever it was, it sounds like an interesting sighting, but I wouldn't jump to the conclusion the chalky white substance they found was "non-radioactive uranium ore" was related, and nothing he says confirms what the light colored stuff actually was. From what he's written, he has no clue what it was so I don't know why he called it uranium ore, it's a pretty silly claim.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 05:46 PM
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The geologist had already pinpointed the location with a geiger counter and found the highest concentration of uranium. Then they took core samples before the actual sighting. The core samples revealed it was uranium before and not after.


(1) A geologist with a geiger counter flies over the area and finds the highest radiation reading. (2) Drilling trucks are sent out and core samples are drilled to determine the highest concentration of uranium ore. These core samples are drilled in a grid pattern and every core sample is given a tracking number and logged in showing the concentration and amount of uranium present(3) The open pit mine is then laid out according to these core samples.
Outside of the circle, the uranium ore was still as potent as before the incident. Core samples don't lie. This chalky material was uranium before this incident




I thought we were going to agree on something for once!



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posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by Beavis
(1) A geologist with a geiger counter flies over the area and finds the highest radiation reading. (2) Drilling trucks are sent out and core samples are drilled to determine the highest concentration of uranium ore. These core samples are drilled in a grid pattern and every core sample is given a tracking number and logged in showing the concentration and amount of uranium present(3) The open pit mine is then laid out according to these core samples.
That happens at the surface.

They were 210 feet deep already when this incident occurred:

I was one of 6 people operating Caterpillar 657B earth movers. We were down to about 210 feet deep when this incident happened.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 06:13 PM
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No, the uranium they sampled was around the depth of 212 feet. Why would you take a core sample on the surface?

When this UFO incident happened, we were about 2 feet away from a layer of hard rock called the "tap rock" that laid directly on top of the uranium ore. The uranium ore varied in depth from 6 to 18 inches and had about the same brown color as low grade coal. Two days after this incident, the tap rock was removed to expose the uranium ore. We were astounded to find that the uranium ore was now a chalky white substance that had NO radioactivity at all! There was a 250 foot diameter circle of this chalky material in the center of the pit.



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posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 06:28 PM
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anti-gravity propulsion i'd guess



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 06:47 PM
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Nuclear-powered craft.



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