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Originally posted by subject x
Originally posted by Amaterasu
Heh. That makes no sense. If I felt silly having built it, wouldn't I just keep my mouth shut? Or decry the claims of Reich? So that fails, as a reason.
Not necessarily. Some folks, when proven wrong, continue to hammer away at it, adding more fantasy on top of what is there already. The GFL comes to mind, along with many debunked psychics. Not saying you're doing this, but it's pretty common.
Agreed. It is indeed anecdotal. But I offer a way for you to check for yourself. I'm not asking on blind faith, which, without experimental data, you ask of us to believe about Orgone. Based on sources that there is evidence enough to suggest that perhaps they had a vested interest in suppression...
I've read enough for and against orgone to form my opinion without having to resort to building something to test it. As far as supression, it was done, as stated earlier, to keep people from getting scammed and possibly causing them harm by not seeking actual treatments. If that makes me closed minded, so be it.
Ah, but they would feel all that regardless of whether the shooter was pointed at them or away. ALL the very definitive responses were from when the shooter was pointed at them. The same people did not respond when the shooter was going the other way. I think this looks like enough evidence to warrant further investigation, don't you?
No, not really. I'm sure you're familiar with all the ESP "guess what card this is" testing that went on for a while. Although some people scored better than others, that was still not enough data to suggest that some people had more ESP ability than any others. I don't know why you got the results you did, but the fact that your friends "felt the tingle" when one end was pointed and not the other is pretty similar in my view.
And besides, *I* attest that it can be felt, based on my own experience.
My old girlfriend felt it, too. That didn't make it real.
X-rays are energy, too. Do you feel them when they are applied to your flesh (I have heard tell of those who say they can...)? Point is that just because you can feel one form of energy in one fashion does not follow that other forms of energy will be experienced in any way like the initially selected energy.
I don't know. The only time I was knowingly x-rayed I was unconsious. I concede the point, though. I don't feel all the various radiation that I'm bombarded with daily, either. Bad example on my part.
Fair enough, don't do science. Like I said, believe as you wish, but don't trash other ideas with no data of your own to support you claims. Or claim dubious sources for support.
I don't need to, others already have. I don't need to do science to know that we don't get sick because of hexes, or that there is hydrogen in the atmosphere. That's why scientists publish their findings, so they don't have to be endlessly repeated.
I'm sure any guy who refused to go with Columbus because he "knew" the world was flat - because he had been told so - approaches life in relation to science in the same fashion you do.
Probably not the best example. At the time, no-one else had produced any data as to the shape of the world, it was just made up, folklore if you will. In the case of orgone, I believe enough data has been presented to show that "the world is, indeed, round".
That is what experimentation is for. I suggest otherwise, based on my experiments.
I suggest enough experimentation has been previously done, which is how Reich got discredited in the first place.
No... The blind One can experience light (heat) and dampness. (S)he cannot experience rainbow. Rainbow is strictly visual. There is nothing in light (heat) and dampness of a rainbow to differentiate it from light (heat) and dampness with no rainbow.
Actually, I found it to be slightly warmer within the rainbow than it was outside of it. But no, it wasn't nearly as impressive as it was visually.
Incidentally, did you know a rainbow has depth?
And there are a few who say they can see the energy.
There are a few who say they talk to dead people, too. No evidence, though.
Be that as it may... There are people who do not feel pain. At all. If virtually all of us were that way, what would we make of one who can? Insane bugger, that one!
True. Good thing we're all not like that. The race probably would have vanished long ago.
Nope. Not at all. It has to do with the ability, latent in Humans, to affect their reality as it relates to the flow of this energy. (Review quantum mechanics for a basis of expectation manifestation...) Focusing on the spot with expectation of crystal energies might manifest them. Don't think I'm suggesting we all can change the MATTER that is there (though it is conceivable that we might), but that the mind is intertwined with the workings of this energy, and energetically phenomena might manifest.
Yeah...I still have issues with quantum mechanics, too. Although they have performed some repeatable experiments with it, they still aren't sure why they get the result they do, from what I've seen. Still pretty theoretical. But I'm weird like that...
Relative to energetic manifestation, I lost you (based on your interpretation).
Ok, if you say so.
Ah. I see the confusion. The thread is about the "BLASTERS," and chemtrails. I offer a "SHOOTER" which is offered for experiment in an attempt to experience Orgone. I am unsure of the "BLASTER" and its influence on the trails that have been found to have, and been admitted to have, in many cases, stuff in them other than just expended jet fuel. I have done no experiments.
I'm defending the shooter. Indeed I am. I do not conclude anything about the blaster.
I dunno...one orgone device is probably about the same as another. Bunk is bunk, no matter the package.
[smile] No animosity here, either. I too enjoy our riposte. Thanks!
Glad to hear it!
Originally posted by subject x
reply to post by Amaterasu
However, since you've been so reasonable (probably more so than I) I'm actually going to make the effort to make your little shooter and check it out. I still maintain that I won't feel anything, but in the name of open mindedness I'll give it a shot. It probably won't be today, but when I get it all together I'll let you know what my results are.
This has been the best discussion I've had here in a long time, and I wish I could continue as we have been, but reality intrudes sometimes. I didn't want to leave your last response just hanging, though.
Thamks for taking the time.
Originally posted by nitro67
reply to post by lazernation
I really have no idea if there is anything to orgone accumulators or not and it is ridiculous to think that some crystals, metal shavings, and epoxy is going to be a panacea.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
Originally posted by lazernation
reply to post by Frater210
I made a number of those a couple of years ago. [...]
Anyone that can tell me what I did wrong, I'm all ears. Honestly. I still rate Reich. Top bloke. His son's book was wicked too. And I have no idea about whether the cloud busters or accumulators work. I just know that the things I built did nothing for myself or the four people that I gave them to.
I know that orientation is frequently an important factor, as well as close proximity. If your "subjects" put the "ornament" on a shelf, or other place that was not oriented correctly or too far to be particularly effective, this may explain the issues. (It also may be that there were issues in construction, but it sounds as if you had some detailed instructions to work with.)
Perhaps if you mention to one or more that the "ornament" is said to have "good vibrations" or something (not to gum up the blind aspect of the experiment too much) and would they be willing to, say, sit with it in their lap and point it at their heart or whatever area is at issue, for 15 minutes every day for a week, you might obtain some interesting data.
this was found by four teens in Panama. They said they were playing at the park and someting approched them. Then they threw rocks at it and died. Then they said they threw it in the water and now that's what it looks like. The news company reporting it seems legit. So I'm wondering? does this have any significance. www.youtube.com... The news company reporting it seems legit. So I'm wondering? does this have any significance.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
1 inch diameter galvanized steel pipe, 8-10" long.
One galvanized steel cap that screws onto the end.
6-8" wide strips of:
Wool cloth - virgin is best, no dyes
Steel mesh - that stuff that is about 3/8" squares is excellent
Take pipe and attach cap. Layer the strips, leaving about 2 1/2-3" of wool at the end sticking out.
Wrap pipe with the layers of wool and mesh, encircling the pipe with the wool first and ensuring the mesh does not touch the pipe.
Wrap 6 or 7 times around the pipe, trim strips and adhere with duct or best, electrical tape.
However, the fact that the shooter created a static charge, which we reproduced a half dozen times, indicates to me that that is what people are feeling.
Originally posted by leaualorin
what's with this "hard-head" subject x ANYWAY?!
YO , " my friend " go fishing insteag of ruining an interesting topic!
I wonder why doesn't an moderator "cleans up" your rubbish replies!
If you don't believe in Wiliam Reich's work then it's your problem!
Leave this topic clean , and if you post something think well before you post it!
I didn't tried either this "orgone stuff" but after a lot of time spend in CLEAN FORESTS I ended up with some sort of breathing problem !
AND I BET IT'S FROM THE CHEMTRAILS!
About 2-3 years ago I was breathing a lot easier than now!
Those that build cloud busters or make orgone should be appreciated not offenced by THOSE LIKE YOU!
What they are doing IT MIGHT affect and the air you breathe!
We live on the same planet after all!!!
I whant to make some orgonite but I whant to make it with copper and iron powder + epoxidic resin of high quality!
For now I have the quartz crystals and in the close future I will have the rest of the "ingredients" !
For your information :
QUARTZ CRYSTALS ARE BEEING USED IN ELECTRONICS FOR YEARS!
When a quartz crystal is beeing squashed evenly by a powerfull force , the "piezo-electric effect" appears!
Couple that with the theory of Wiliam Reich + those fine copper and iron powder and YOU WILL FEEL/NOTICE SOMETHING!
The finer the metalic powder , the bigger the quartz crystal (or more crystals in same resin) the more "observable" the effect!
And by the way : quartz crystals can be found in ancient cultures
even more , the "properties" of the QUARTZ CRYSTAL can be observed and tested if you really whant "measurable results" !
Couple that in one simple experiment on a small scale with epoxidic resin , copper powder (or iron) , add a small quartz crystal and you will see what is what!
I am convinced of the orgonite's effect on LIFE and human body!
Although I didn't tested on myself YET!
ORGONITE REALLY WORKS !
I'M SURE OF IT!