Report: Saudis Warned Obama Not to Humiliate' Mubarak

they have no other party to put in mubareks place, the brotherhood would take over and that would be worse for everyone, it wouldnt be egypt anymore

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Where does the idea come from that a war with Israel will result if not for oppressive tyrants?
The moderates who want Mubarak out are not anti Israel.

The Muslim Brotherhood are not 'moderates'.
They are the ones backing Elbardi .. he's their puppet.
And the Muslim Brotherhood has called for IMMEDIATE war with Israel.

Originally posted by stephinrazin
Why do you think that any one worse would come in to power? .

As bad as Mubarak is .. the Muslim Brotherhood is worse.
They have promised war. They call for Sharia law.
They are putting Elbardi forward .. That's worse.

reply to post by FlyersFan


You have a source showing that they want immediate war with Israel? The most recent interviews show them supporting a one state solution in Palestine with democratic elections. Whoever won the elections, in their view, should control Palestine/Israel. Until those elections are held though they would support Hamas.

Sharia law is in effect in most of our Gulf State allies, Saudi Arabia has the most strict form of Sharia on earth, the same system used by the Taliban, known as the Hanbali Fiqh. The Brotherhood follows the Shafii Fiqh, which is used in Malaysia and Indonesia.

Since we overthrew the Ottoman Empire in WW1, Saudi's have been a British/U.S puppet country.

Most of the state sponsored terrorism comes from Saudi Arabia that is seen in Iraq.

Don't really think we have to worry about the Saudi's attacking, unless its another false flag.

Originally posted by Blaine91555


I think this answers the question about a few things. Obama stands behind the people and the Saudi's stand behind Mubarak.

This is just starting folks. Start saving your pennies for Gasoline, we will need them.

I wonder if this threat will be backed up with threats to cut off oil? How badly do the Saudi's want to gain some control over Egypt?

This is scary stuff.

www.foxnews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

There's 0 evidence that Obama supports the people. Infact all the facts on the table don't just suggest, they prove beyond question he supported the Egyptian regime.

Switching sides and trying to save face when confronted with the inevetable is far different than genuine support. To suggest Obama supports the plight of the Egyptian people is politically naive. Obama and his government support an Egyptian Dictatorship. What's happened here is the people have risen up and successfully defeated a US backed dictator, at which point the American government switches sides to save face. This has gone on forever, it's a documented historical fact, and if you looked at the facts you'd see it's the truth of this situation to.

The Saudi rulers have no such worries. It's a true fascist nation, where leaders rule with an iron fist. They need not worry about public perception or wherever citizens agree with their Theocratic Orwellian rule.

www.democracynow.org...

It'd be appreciated if you actually did some research on this before pushing pro-Obama propoganda. Because that's all it is, untruthful propoganda.

reply to post by NadaCambia

Be a good way to earn that Nobel peace prize.
`` If `` He backed the people.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Blaine91555
Obama stands behind the people and the Saudi's stand behind Mubarak..

Actually, Obama stands next to the Muslim Brotherhood and the Saudis stand next to stability.

Obama has had unnecessary meetings with the Muslim Brotherhood and his administration-shills
have been out in full force trying to tell everyone the Muslim Brotherhood is moderate, even though
the Muslim Brotherhood proudly admit they want Sharia law in Egypt. And the Saudis know that the
Muslim Brotherhood has already called for full out war with Israel and for Sharia Law, and the Saudis
want no part of any of that.

The Muslim Brotherhood are absolutely no chance of getting power. I have several good friends in Egypt right now. There's practically no support on the street for the MB. Amr Moussa is being championed with the people.

It's odd that Obamas government have come out and made those statements about the Muslim Brotherhood. As they're not going to see power, and it only serves to ruin their public image.

There must be something more going on

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
You have a source showing that they want immediate war with Israel?

It was in the news and all over the boards last week. A quick google for ya' ...
here's one

A leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt told the Arabic-language Iranian news network Al-Alam on Monday that he would like to see the Egyptian people prepare for war against Israel, according to the Hebrew-language business newspaper Calcalist

MORE -

Here's the Muslim Brotherhood website

Here's the Mid East Research translation

Originally posted by NadaCambia
The Muslim Brotherhood are absolutely no chance of getting power.

Considering the unnecessary meetings Obama has had with them in the White House, and considering the push for Elbardi (the Muslim Brotherhood puppet), it 's pretty clear that's who Obama wants. It's also clear that's NOT who the Saudis want. And at this time the Saudis have the upper hand. (good!)

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by backinblack
The Saudi Royals are just another bunch of lying,hypocritical, blood sucking criminals...

Sure. Absolutely. They are even worse than that. But in this case, they have calmer heads. They understand what a power vacuum in Egypt would mean. They understand the need for an orderly transition and not some over night knee jerk reaction. They are preventing war with Israel by keeping the transition slow.

Obama doesn't get it. And that's why the Saudis have stepped up.

War with Israel? Lol, Israel isn't going to attack anybody. Nobody supports them as it is, if they attacked a Democratic Egypt alot of countries would have strong words with them. To say the least. It would be the end of Israel, pretty much.

Are you living in an alternate universe? The Saudis are supporting an 'orderly transition' so they can get another pawn Dictator in power. For no other reason. Obama and the Saudis are holding the exact same position. Exactly the same position. Cite evidence that the Americans don't want an 'orderly transition'.

1. Obama doesn't want an orderly transition
2. Israel will attack Egypt

I want you to source your evidence for both those claims.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by NadaCambia
The Muslim Brotherhood are absolutely no chance of getting power.

Considering the unnecessary meetings Obama has had with them in the White House, and considering the push for Elbardi (the Muslim Brotherhood puppet), it 's pretty clear that's who Obama wants. It's also clear that's NOT who the Saudis want. And at this time the Saudis have the upper hand. (good!)

What Obama wants doesn't matter. The Muslim Brotherhood are not going to see power. There's nothing in the way of public support.

And the Saudis are scum. They're everything that's wrong with America, with none of the positives that America has.

The reality is neither the Saudis or the Americans have the upperhand. The Egyptians have the upperhand, and they'll elect a real Democratic leader. Which is a loss for both nations. However their governments and leaders want to spin it.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by ~Lucidity

 

Obama says what he says on TV, but one thing I suspect is that he really did have some belief in Democracy coming in. Maybe thats why they are pissed at him. Maybe he is threatening to screw up a long running game of "screw the middle eastern people of their resources" by pressing for some actual democracy.

I heard that too. A flying pig told me pretty much the same thing.

Obama supporting Egypt. Hahahahaha

Originally posted by tegz_1
they have no other party to put in mubareks place, the brotherhood would take over and that would be worse for everyone, it wouldnt be egypt anymore

That's not going to happen, period. This is a myth being pushed by the Western media, purposely, to scare you.

Along the lines of "Don't support the Egyptian people or the government will end up run by insane Moslems" It simply isn't true. No truth to it. They're trying to brainwash you into accepting pro-Western TYRANTS in the name of stability.

Nobody supports the MB, stop worrying about a non issue.

reply to post by Blaine91555


Wouldn't really be a big change. We have no real reason to enter Saudi airspace anyway, and the only reason we currently have - operations in Yemen - are currently launched from Eritrea, if I remember right. We've already removed our forces from Saudi Arabia - they're now in the UAE.

Speaking of, we have enough influence in Kuwait, the UAE, Qatar, and Iraq that if Saudi Arabia does decide to screw with oil, we can just pay these guys to overproduce; it'd be the end of OPEC, prices WOULD shake, but it wouldn't likely be terribly catastrophic - at least, not for us in the US, at least not for a while.

Bottom line is, the al-Saud family rules in Arabia only because we allow them to. That's not American hubris, it's simple statement of fact. We bankroll them, we arm them, we educate them, and we keep our thumb on the scales of power for them. If they piss us off, all that goes away, and "Saudi Arabia" ceases to exist as a nation-state.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Might want to re-read that.

“the people should be prepared for war against Israel,” is not the same as "we want to go to war with Israel."

It's acknowledgment that there might be war with Israel, with the implication that the guy thinks it will be Israel taking that step.

Bottom line, the Egyptians are seeing Israel as a threat, because Israel is actively and vocally working to keep a brutal and repressive government in power in Egypt. Israel has a habit of invading Egypt. Israel also has a habit of repressing Arabs who vote in a way that displeases Israel, whether it's disenfranchisement of Arab Israelis, or bombing the hell out of Palestinians. Israel has also been very vocal about its unwavering support for Mubarak.

I personally don't think Israel will make such a move - they can't afford it these days, politically or financially (and Egypt definitely can't!) - but I can hardly fault the Egyptians for advocating preparedness in case Israel decides to use its Crazy Button again.

reply to post by NadaCambia


Obama's talking to and about hte MB likely for the same reasons other Americans are - He just doesn't know what's going on over there. And since we Americans tend to see things as "either-or" in politics - thanks to our own binary political system - it can look like it's either the Nationalist Democratic Party or the Muslim Brotherhood.

And given all the scare conditioning pouring out of our media about the MB, I wouldn't put it past the president just "buying in" to the fearmongering and trying to cover an asscheek.

Ths couldn't be going any better for the US administration, maybe this was their intent from the outset?.
The world's largest crude producer,who it could be argued only enjoy this status thanks to US oilfield equipment and know how,threatening a superpower?,as the OP suggests,yes save your money for the inevitable soar in petrol prices,in the short term anyway,but have the Saudi's just basically offered an open invitation for the US to take control of the Saudi oilfields and by default the global oil supply?

reply to post by nake13


As far as policy blunders go, trying to impose US control over Arabia's oilfields would probably be the biggest one since South Carolina decided to secede. Everything could - and certainly would go wrong, and nothing - absolutely nothing - would go right with that plan. Even the best case scenario - deposing the Sauds, splitting Arabia up by province and setting a US satrap up over the oil fields - would be transparent and obviously fake. We would never pump a drop of that oil; we'd be too busy just fighting to secure the area.

We'd have better luck converting the American people into bicyclists than controlling Arabia's oil.

"Don't let him humiliate Mubarek". Pfft. He's humiliated himself.

Well the hell difference does it make what Obama "says". These are grown people who surely to God can make a decision without somebody thousands of miles away breaking their hearts, or their spirits, with words. Only words.

Let them focus on their own problems without totally focusing on what Barak Obama says. The man is walking on a powder keg.

I said from day one no matter the outcome; if it's bad, it will be his fault, if it's good, it will be despite him.

So it is written, so shall it be done.

This is quite an interesting development. If the Saudis are prepared to bankroll the Egyptian Army, things are going to turn ugly.