Obama Care is VOID says FL Judge!

reply to post by MindSpin


They are also being used by unions with so-called "cadillac health plans" to be able to leave those untouched and untaxed as people having such plans under obamacare would face.

so urce

Hmmm. Link doesn't look right but still works.

reply to post by centurion1211


You are talking about two completely different things and trying to pass them off as the same.

What the Union did was get an extension on the tax on "Cadillac plans" until 2018 (which the article says is similar to other private insurance companies extensions)...and this was done BEFORE the Health Care Reform bill was passed. Your article is from January 2010...the bill was signed into law in March 2010.

The waivers people are talking about are for employers that offer limited health plans...it was all explained in the link I provided.

They aren't the same thing...not sure why you are trying to mix the two.

reply to post by MindSpin


I'm lumping them together because they are both sweetheart deals the average person cannot benefit from and both part of the same corruption, and good reasons for getting rid of this now unconstitutional law.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by SonOfTheLawOfOne

 

Florida has been against this bill from the start. The State Government is looking at legislation to void the whole thing as well. This March's legislative session should have some more interesting developments. Yes, the healthcare bill will not fly in Florida; the only question is which route they will take to void it. This ruling is a great first step!

I would hope the other states plan to follow suit. I am already a slave of the insurance companies with my automobile... I CHOOSE to not pay UNLESS I am sick. That's right. I have no insurance. I could probably buy some that is outrageous, but I refuse to put my hard earned money in their money lined pockets. I am a pretty healthy American, knock on wood, and that has saved me from the trap.

I REFUSE to be made to pay for a government health program or be fined. I'm sick of the Despot USA. I want out.. which btw after my college education is paid for I am moving out (of the USA, that is).

And then there's this bit of news on the subject.

As part of his ruling that obamacare is unconstitutional, the judge used a quote from obama that he said during the 2008 presidential campaign - when obama claimed to be against mandates to solve the healthcare problem.

source

“I note that in 2008, then-Senator Obama supported a health care reform proposal that did not include an individual mandate because he was at that time strongly opposed to the idea, stating that ‘if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house,’” Judge Vinson wrote in a footnote toward the end of the 78-page ruling Monday.

reply to post by Whitbit

I REFUSE to be made to pay for a government health program or be fined.

No worries...there is not government health program.

You just need to get health insurance so the rest of us don't have to pay for you when you need care.

Originally posted by centurion1211
reply to post by MindSpin

 

I'm lumping them together because they are both sweetheart deals the average person cannot benefit from and both part of the same corruption, and good reasons for getting rid of this now unconstitutional law.

Well you weren't lumping them together...you were equating them...which is misleading.

And what do you mean average people don't benefit from them...who do you think has these limited benefits plans??? The rich?

The average person DIRECTLY benefits from this.

Originally posted by MindSpin
reply to post by Whitbit

 

I REFUSE to be made to pay for a government health program or be fined.

No worries...there is not government health program.

You just need to get health insurance so the rest of us don't have to pay for you when you need care.

Then start with the illegal immigrants first!

We don't want to pay for their health care either.

If we have to help someone out, preferably it would be a fellow citizen.

reply to post by centurion1211

Then start with the illegal immigrants first!

We don't want to pay for their health care either.

If we have to help someone out, preferably it would be a fellow citizen.

We can only attempt to solve one issue at a time...there is no unifying legislation to fix all of the United State's issues.

Of course we could just give all the illegals amnesty...then they would be subject to the health care law.

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That is AWESOME! Talk about putting your proverbial foot in your mouth...

Star for you! I had not bothered to read that far into it... as soon as I saw "Unconstitutional", I stopped.

~Namaste

reply to post by MindSpin

This will end up in the Supreme Court as we all knew it would...these individual rulings mean nothing.

There have been other federal judges in other states that have ruled in favor of it...this is no different than the judge in Virginia ruling against it. It is a meaningless ruling.

That simply is not true.

The ruling in this case was issued without addressing the plaintiffs' request for injunctive relief. In normal language, the presiding judge here stated that because he ruled the entire law as unconstitutional, the executive branch (H&HS) must behave as if there were an injunction in place.

This is the first time this has happened. In combination with the lack of "severability" this ruling prohibits any component of the law to be funded or enacted in any way. This is absolutely different than the other rulings. The HHS Secretary was, I guarantee you, ready and willing to implement components of the act until today. It is a very meaningful ruling.

Judge Vinson should be commended. He clearly enunciated the fact that the legislative and executive branches have overstepped their constitutionally endowed authority by a large degree.

I'll close with part of Judge Vinson's ruling:

(T)he individual mandate [requiring the citizen to purchase healthcare] is neither within the letter nor the spirit of the Constitution. To up hold that provision via application of the Necessary and Proper Clause would authorize Congress to reach and regulate far beyond the currently established “outer limits” of the Commerce Clause and effectively remove all limits on federal power. As the Supreme Court explained in the Printz ruling: When a “Law . . . for carrying into Execution” the Commerce Clause [violates other Constitutional principles], it is not a “Law . . . proper for carrying into Execution the Commerce Clause,” and is thus, in the words of the Federalist, “merely an act of usurpation” which “deserves to be treated as such".

Of course, this will be appealed to the Supreme court. I am wagering that the current makeup of the high court will lend itself to concurrence with Vinson's findings.

reply to post by centurion1211


You beat me to it. I was going to post that component.

Since you beat me there, I will have to say to all those at ATS back over a year ago that were saying that this was UNCONSTITUTIONAL, way to GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

And for those of you that argued the other component-

Yes, it has not been completely decided yet, but IT WILL BE!

Originally posted by centurion1211
reply to post by MindSpin

 

Any coincidence between the judge's ruling against obamacare and you registering today to shill all over ATS for the bill?

Just asking ...

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Not sure if you noticed or not...but today is 1/31/2011....I registered on 1/30/2011.


Isn't accusing someone of a government shill against the rules here?

Originally posted by MindSpin
reply to post by Whitbit

 

I REFUSE to be made to pay for a government health program or be fined.

No worries...there is not government health program.

You just need to get health insurance so the rest of us don't have to pay for you when you need care.

Unfortunately, I foot the bill myself. Do you have health insurance? A simple visit to the doctor can cost hundreds of dollars. Are you saying that if I don't buy the insurance they are mandating, that someone else will have to pay for the doctor bill I accrue while sick? Because it sounds to me like they will make me pay, and a hefty fine on top of that since I won't be with their program.

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Yes, it is an ad hom.

Centurion, you should just address the new members points and destroy the argument.

Geterdone!

The washington times writes, Judge used Sen. Obamas own words from his campain(2007-8), to void the Health care law, a must read,

Originally posted by Matrix Rising
Of course it's unconstitutional. The Government has no power to force Americans to buy a product or service. Obama and the democrats know this.

This is why Obama said in a 2001 radio interview that the Constitution was fundamentally flawed because it restrains government and doesn't talk about the redistribution of wealth.

The point Obama was making was that in order to put in place an unconstitutional agenda because liberalism is the perfect thing to do, was to bypass the courts because they're restrained by the Constitution and put your agenda in place through Legislation.

Communism/socialism anyone?

I hope this goes to court and i hope for you Americans the bill gets retracted, but i believe i read somewhere here that 90% of federal cases get ruled in favor of the feds?

Good luck lol.

Anti-education? Anti-health care?
Sickly, toothless, stupid and pregnant with children.
This is the dream for Americans by the Conservative Right (Wrong)

A fraction of war funding would buy Cadillac Plans for us all.

But without a never ending war - where do all the bulldogs go?
So you got your hawks and weekend warriors fighting against this.
Patriots?
Yeah right...War Mongers and the rest.
Look for clues to peoples "nature" in their Avatars.
Read between the lines to determine their agenda. Also check to see if they joined ATS last November.
These are the same folks who brought Bristol Palin to the final cut on "Dancing with the Stars"
Pharmeceutical sheep.

Originally posted by SonOfTheLawOfOne
Just coming across the wires....

www.foxnews.com...

"Florida Judge Rules Individual Mandate in Health Care Law Is Unconstitutional"

Update: Judge says that because individual mandate is unable to be severed from health care law, the entire thing is VOID. Therefore, the ruling is that the Health Care Law itself is unconstitutional.

More details to come, I'm sure...

Let the fun begin!

~Namaste

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What a useless waste of time and taxpayer dollars. With this fellow and the minister who protests at military funerals I am thinking I am living in the state with the most screwballs in it.
This won't go anywhere and I can gather 20 friends and start a class action suit to keep it and sue Florida for trying to take it away from me so the fun is still a long way off for you my friend.

In fact I don't think the fun of yanking the elderly (donut hole) coverage or preventing medical care for children is ever going to start for you .
Try Disney. They have a fantasy land there.

Just skimmed over the posts real quick in this and there is something peculiar going on. Why is it that the US JUSTICE DEPT. is filing a motion to OVERTURN the ruling of the judge in Florida? Something just isn't right about this. Am interested to know what is in this Healthcare bill that they want so badly to become the law of the land. How about requiring every man, woman, and child to be electronically marked with a chipless RFID tattoo?