‘You’re going to have to shoot them in the head,’ Beck said of Democratic leaders

Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by OneNationUnder

 

This is a typical thread for the OP. It posts utter political rubbish, then abandons the thread to let partisans fight among themselves.

Check them out, you'll see the pattern.

jw

What pattern? I haven't abandoned the thread! If you have a problem with my posting style; why participate
I have been following the post and have actually changed my mind about the intent of Becks comments.. I still think he is a shill for the GOP, a lier, and an incredibly sharp businessman suckering in ideologically challenged individuals to buy the Gold, Depends, Viagra and the other old people stuff. He plays his demographic like a $5.00 fiddle and they dance to his tune.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Denial much?

Originally posted by buddhasystem
the Republicans are doing their best to ruin the country so then can blame it all on Dems

Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi etc ... sure had nothing to do with the rotten state of this country, eh? Yeah, and I've got a bridge in brooklyn to sell ya.

I crossed that bridge on foot more times than I care to count. Thank you. To blame Nancy (who I have no reason to like) for the sad state of things in this country is asinine in my opinion, dimwitted and how should I frame it, oh yes, stupid.

I have to state that I likely studied more marxists books in detail than you ever considered doing.

OMG .. please tell me you didn't really just say that! That's soooo lame!

What, you are ready to challenge me on this? Seriously? If not, lame you are.

I may have a book by Stalin somewhere in my basement but sure as hell I'm not Stalinist. If you use THAT kind of inference and logic here, all I can say is go back to Middle Ages.

Hillary has more than a Marxist book in her basement. She is a proud marxist.

you have NO clue what you are talking about. Brainwashed by MSM funded by the right wing cabal. Congrats.

Hey OP- I just thought maybe you'd like to see this...

Chris Matthew Calls for Assassination of Congress

Actually you probably don't want to see it because it kind of hurts your case...

IF Glenn Beck should be fired...than so should this loon.

reply to post by whaaa


Is Beck prepared to do this himself or as usual with these kinds of people they want someone else to do it for them??

Has he been arrested for inciting terrorist acts???

First let me say this. I have never followed Beck as he polarizes people and like moths to a light, extremists dlovepolarity. However, it may be safe to say what he is speaking about can be refered back to the original meaning of democracy. That is 51% wants the other 49% to die. These days we use bullets to do that.
THAT IS WHY WE ARE A REPUBLIC. We believe in the rule of law and if THE government abandons the law we purge the system. Jefferson said so.

Originally posted by sirjunlegun
That is 51% wants the other 49% to die.

Sorry Sir, but this is 100% sick (since you invoked percentage points yourselves).

I mean, if you believe this,
a) Beck has done his filthy job and got compensated, he's totally rich by now
b) You are a dumb individual

OK, I gotta question.
This may be a little off topic, but why do people care so much how much Beck makes? I made around 43k last year, he probably made a few million, SO WHAT? Who cares? More power to him!!!!
Also this crap about spreading the wealth is just silly. I think it is all put forth by those that are just too damn lazy to do the work themselves. They are looking for a hand out, which keeps the dems in power and keeps those looking for the hand outs in the ghettos and poor houses.
(And yes, for those nit-pickers amoung you, I know I asked more than one question)

Here's the audio of Beck;s explanation of this statement in context...in case it hasn't been posted. Also contains a transcript.

"You" according to Beck is the leftist and the media on the left.

"They" is the revolutionaries who have been co-opted by the politicians and the media and have called for violent revolution. (Can someone tell me when this happened?)

Beck Explains His "You're Going To Have To Shoot Them In Head" Comment

Ahem...

I have been away most of the day trying to position my awesome Polk Monitor 10's. Now that they're virtually transparent I have returned to the thread only to find a conundrum.

I regularly watched Beck when he was on CNN Headline News, and only stopped watching his show when he moved to Fox. Call me biased.

I looked forward to watching him. But now? After all is said and done I have come to accept Beck's own self-description: That he is a clown, an entertainer, and not a journalist. I have little patience these days for propaganda and endless editorializing, rabble rousing and the like, from both the leftist CNN and MSNBC or from the right-wing mouthpieces on Fox. These days I keep my eye on the news ticker at the bottom of the screen, research the issues that interest me and form my own opinions and conclusions instead of allowing someone who describes himself as a clown to tell me what to think and whom to shoot in the head.

And let me be perfectly clear: I will not be shooting anyone anytime soon. Just a clarification. I found Beck's "pitchfork and torches" bent amusing for a while. Now it seems he's upped the ante, something that I find to be ill-advised in the strange, unpredictable and violent times in which we live.

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I will concede slightly as.I misquoted what is sometimes attributed to t.jefferson by many political scientists this quote, "democracy is nothing more than mob rule, 51% want to take away the rights of 49%." Without rights what is life? Having said that some say it wasn't him that said that but that is what I meant if that statement is to be held truethen what is life without rights?Give me liberty or I make resistance. If that fails give me death. It is a historical fact the fathers thought a democracy is weak and wanted a Republic. That is what believers of democracy only are trying to take away. I mean look at the masses. Do you want the majority to rule? Or to want compromise and adherence to law. I want law and order. My idea out of chaos order and TPTB are separate as I believe most on here are. From this chaos we will regain order and it may be hat 99% want the other 1% to die. Buddha karma is.gonna come from somewhere. Might as well be from the constitution in the forms of executions for
treason.

Just after the completion and signing of the Constitution, in reply to a woman's inquiry as to the type of government the Founders had created, Benjamin Franklin said, "A Republic, if you can keep it." A Republic is representative government ruled by law (the Constitution). A democracy is direct government ruled by the majority (mob rule). A Republic recognizes the inalienable rights of individuals while democracies are only concerned with group wants or needs (the public good). Democracies always self-destruct when the non-productive majority realizes that it can vote itself handouts from the productive minority by electing the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury. To maintain their power, these candidates must adopt an ever-increasing tax and spend policy to satisfy the ever-increasing desires of the majority. As taxes increase, incentive to produce decreases, causing many of the once productive to drop out and join the non-productive. When there are no longer enough producers to fund the legitimate functions of government and the socialist programs, the democracy will collapse, always to be followed by a Dictatorship. Even though nearly every politician, teacher, journalist and citizen believes that our Founders created a democracy, it is absolutely not true. The Founders knew full well the differences between a Republic and a Democracy and they repeatedly and emphatically said they formed a Republic.
Article IV Section 4, of the Constitution "guarantees to every state in this union a Republican form of government".... Conversely, the word Democracy is not mentioned even once in the Constitution. Madison warned us of the dangers of democracies with these words, "Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths...", "We may define a republic to be ... a government which derives all its powers directly or indirectly from the great body of the people, and is administered by persons holding their offices during pleasure for a limited period, or during good behavior. It is essential to such a government that it be derived from the great body of the society, not from an inconsiderable proportion or a favored class of it; otherwise a handful of tyrannical nobles, exercising their oppressions by a delegation of their powers, might aspire to the rank of republicans and claim for their government the honorable title of republic." James Madison, Federalist No. 10, (1787) "A wise man will not leave the right to the mercy of chance, nor wish it to prevail through the power of the majority. There is but little virtue in the action of masses of men." Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862) Our military training manuals used to contain the correct definitions of Democracy and Republic.reply to post by buddhasystem

Originally posted by whaaa
www.rawstory.com...

"...conspiracy host Glenn Beck..."

Since when is Glenn Beck a "conspiracy host."?

reply to post by whaaa


Here is a novel idea.. Lets put the video into context to see what Beck was actually talking about, and not what you want to portray it as.

Fox News - Beck - Full transcript of show

BECK: Yes, it has. It has. This is an ominous statement coming from a revolutionary. Please go to GlennBeck.com and look up "STORM: Reclaiming Revolution." This is his organization. He is in this. From a revolutionary.

I'm sorry but when did the Obama administration not be progressive? Excuse me? They were normal? We have seen progressives. We haven't seen the actual spooky progressives yet. I think you are about to. Something has changed this week. He's right.

But what the politicians don't understand, the ones who have co-opted these revolutionaries and brought them in the process, is they are dangerous. Why? Why? Well, because a lot of them have called for violent revolution in the past and they never distanced themselves from it.

You cannot co-opt and lie to people who believe in something. Why is Ahmadinejad dangerous? Well, because he says he wants to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth, OK? The press and the politicians — "Oh, he's just saying that."

Why do they say that? Because nobody in the press and nobody in Washington actually believes a damn thing, except their own image. That's it. This man is a twelver. Look it up. Do you know what it is? It's a revolutionary so dangerous that the Ayatollah Khomeini banned twelvers.

OK. Here's the Ayatollah Khomeini, who is a revolutionary — he says stay away from these guys. They're spooky. He didn't co-opt them because he understood they believed in the 12th Imam coming back, and the way to bring the 12th Imam back is wash the world in blood.

There are politicians like the Ayatollah Khomeini who will do revolution for power. And then there are people like this who are mad men. I never thought I'd say we better learn something from the Ayatollah Khomeini, but here it is.

The media and the politician have all of this wrong. In every single walk of life — you want to know why TV doesn't reflect you? You want to know why Washington doesn't reflect you? Because they don't understand, from the radical revolutionaries to the Islamic extremists — and yes, DOJ, they do exist — to the Tea Party movements.

Just because you in Washington and you who are so out of touch with life in the media, just because you don't believe in anything doesn't mean nobody else does. We do. You know why you're confused by this show? It's because I believe in something. You don't.

Tea parties believe in small government. We believe in returning to the principles of our Founding Fathers. We respect them. We revere them. Shoot me in the head before I stop talking about the Founders. Shoot me in the head if you try to change our government.

I will stand against you and so will millions of others. We believe in something. You in the media and most in Washington don't. The radicals that you and Washington have co-opted and brought in wearing sheep's clothing — change the pose. You will get the ends.

You've been using them? They believe in communism. They believe and have called for a revolution. You're going to have to shoot them in the head. But warning, they may shoot you.

They are dangerous because they believe. Karl Marx is their George Washington. You will never change their mind. And if they feel you have lied to them — they're revolutionaries. Nancy Pelosi, those are the people you should be worried about.

Here is my advice when you're dealing with people who believe in something that strongly — you take them seriously. You listen to their words and you believe that they will follow up with what they say.

Didn't we learn that lesson from Usama bin Laden? I heard his warning in 1998. I said on the air at the time, listen to him. We didn't listen. We didn't listen to the revolutionaries in Germany, the revolutionaries in Russia or Venezuela or Cuba — no, no, no. They all have one thing in common. They have all called for revolution.

They want to overthrow our entire system of government, and their words say it. Why won't you believe it?

As you will learn on "Founding Fridays(sic)," this Friday, we're talking about James Madison. Here is what you will learn. The revolution of 1776 was a picnic compared to what the revolutionaries of today would like to do. It's not a lot of fun. Usually, millions of people die.

But I'm glad to see our politicians will co-opt those people so they can have power. Fundamental transformation. It's what America is going through right now. And the progressives, the Marxist revolutionary progressives are still not happy. I'm going to show you the beginning of that civil war inside the Democratic Party, next.

Placing something into context is important, if for no other reason than it comes across as intended and understood. Please do some research next time you want to post something that is intended to "incite hate and fear" in order to push an agenda using only partial truths and omissions.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

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Tea parties believe in small government. We believe in returning to the principles of our Founding Fathers. We respect them. We revere them. Shoot me in the head before I stop talking about the Founders. Shoot me in the head if you try to change our government.

I will stand against you and so will millions of others. We believe in something. You in the media and most in Washington don't. The radicals that you and Washington have co-opted and brought in wearing sheep's clothing — change the pose. You will get the ends.

You've been using them? They believe in communism. They believe and have called for a revolution. You're going to have to shoot them in the head. But warning, they may shoot you.

They are dangerous because they believe. Karl Marx is their George Washington. You will never change their mind. And if they feel you have lied to them — they're revolutionaries. Nancy Pelosi, those are the people you should be worried about.

Here is my advice when you're dealing with people who believe in something that strongly — you take them seriously. You listen to their words and you believe that they will follow up with what they say.

Didn't we learn that lesson from Usama bin Laden? I heard his warning in 1998. I said on the air at the time, listen to him. We didn't listen. We didn't listen to the revolutionaries in Germany, the revolutionaries in Russia or Venezuela or Cuba — no, no, no. They all have one thing in common. They have all called for revolution.

They want to overthrow our entire system of government, and their words say it. Why won't you believe it?

As you will learn on "Founding Fridays(sic)," this Friday, we're talking about James Madison. Here is what you will learn. The revolution of 1776 was a picnic compared to what the revolutionaries of today would like to do. It's not a lot of fun. Usually, millions of people die.

But I'm glad to see our politicians will co-opt those people so they can have power. Fundamental transformation. It's what America is going through right now. And the progressives, the Marxist revolutionary progressives are still not happy. I'm going to show you the beginning of that civil war inside the Democratic Party, next.

Yes, I also posted the transcript as well as the audio explanation.

I find it pretty difficult to follow his ramblings, but it still seems to me he still said shoot them in the head, as in Nancy Pelosi.

Let me ask you...who do you think the "you" and "them" are in the underlined section, and most specifically, in the line, I'm not arguing. I honestly cannot wrap my head around this, and it got even worse for me after I listened to the audio of the show where he explained it, which did absolutely nothing to clarify it for me.

reply to post by ~Lucidity

Read the paragraph above the underlined section. This explains who "you" and "them" are.
I see it very clearly. It's all about reading comprehension and taking what is said in context. It should be very EASY to understand unless you are looking for something that is not there.

this is a video of the show that the op is referring to. it starts much earlier than the video that the op posted. if the op is correct in what beck is stating about the socialist dems trying for a revolution and that he would have to be shot in the head before he would stand down against them. he is speaking in terms of the future of one day having to stand up for your life. but i think that at that moment he is speaking as if he is the dems and that they will have to shoot "you" to get you to stand down but be carefull, "you" might shoot back



take what you will from becks words but what i take from it is that he feels that these people are dangerous and that one day they may take control over your life. they may give you reason to stand against them and fight for your freedom (just as our fore fathers did). you may one day have to take up arms in order to keep your freedom and the things that you believe in.

glenn beck is one man with a show. he is not jesus or buddha. he is not the president. he is a man with view points. it is your right to not agree with him, but have you ever thought to step in his shoes and see things his way? have you ever tried to understand the view of the opposition? i understand the view of the liberal people. we do need equality, we do need to help each other and we do need to stand against large businesses and make sure that they do things fairly. the environment is messed up, mcdonalds is making our kids fat and a woman has the right to choose for herself.

but why dose our government feel that way. is it because they care about us? is it because they love us and they want the best for us?

or is it because if they promise these things we will give them the power to control every aspects of our lives so that they can tax the living hell out of us and make their wallets fat? so that they can say what we eat drink wear see and feel?

do you trust the government? do you trust a politician? i dont trust any of them as far as i can throw them.

if you work at mcdonalds are you nice and happy to your customer because you want to and you love them? or do you do it so that they feel happy and safe so that they will come back and spend more money?

i know i dont want the government telling me what i can eat, drink, wear and see. i dont want them using my taxes on any thing i dont see fit. i dont want my government officials making $200,000 year while i barely make $12,000 busting my butt for taxes that are given out to people that hardly do anything and get a great ride.

i dunno...... i guess i just want control over my life and my money. and if i have to stand against a government that wants to control me and take everything i have just because they say so..... then so be it. but right now there are better ways of doing so that dose not involve violence. we need not choose sides. we need to make our own way, our own government. not the one that we are "told" to be controlled by.

Originally posted by Quadrivium
reply to post by ~Lucidity

 

Read the paragraph above the underlined section. This explains who "you" and "them" are.
I see it very clearly. It's all about reading comprehension and taking what is said in context. It should be very EASY to understand unless you are looking for something that is not there.

In addition to the stuff I posted, if people go to the linked transcript they will see Becks show is broken into segments. The part quoted above is just one of those segments, and it came in the middle of the program. The begining of the show was talking about people Obama had appointed as Czars. While looking at each of the people, he was pointing out their view points, and talked about what ideologies the ideas came from (Communism, Marxism, etc etc).

If people read the entire transcript it will make sense, and will place all of it in context.

The best / simplest example I can give is this.

We will use Wealth Redistribution as an example. The concept behind wealth redistribution is nothing new, and has occured in human history as far back as antiquity. The idea of wealth redistribution is to take the excess material (gold / money / items / land / etc) from those who have, with the intention of giving it to the have nots.

Its seems simple enough, black and white. The problem is even the best planned idea can have unforseen consequences. In the annals of history, the concept of wealth redistribution usually ended with peoples heads on pikes to serve as a warning to those who did not want to comply.

He is talking about how we are moving away from what our Founding Fathers had put in place. The rule of law and a Government of the people, by the people and for the people. He uses Iran as an example, along with some other countries, because for the most part their laws and ideas run counter to ours, IE our Constitution.

So when we have people in our Government who ignore the Constitution and choose to bring in ideas from these other ideologies, he is warning that its not compatible. He is warning that in these other countries, the very ideas being suggested here, result in death and destruction there.

Another example:
Its been suggested that the FCC should yank opinion based political shows / news off the air in an effort to let the people hear the "truth" without opinions added in. This idea comes from countries where the Government controls the information, how its released, how its stated, etc etc etc and when people ignore the Government, they are killed. This idea runs contrary to our Constitution and the 1 Amendment - Freedom of the press.

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To be honest who gives a rats @ss about what GB has to say, he is a a little hypocrit feeding on some low intelligents fear. He is using the good old "divide and conquer" and its working i see. Instead of watching all that television go out and revolutionize the country around you with love, affection and gratitude that you are alive and have the power to change things and people around you.

Watching some of the US based tv shows i can only ask: are US people really so dumbed down that they actually believe that there is a marxsist/communistic movement big enough to be a danger to the US? No i don´t think so, and when that is being said, US do not have any left winged politicians, in any other country, people with an IQ above 80 knows and sees US as a right winged country even Mr.Obama we see as right winged.

You complain about taxes, in my country we pay 42% taxes, you complain about gasoline, in my country we pay around 10$ a gallon, you complain about foreclosure, it was your country who invented the scheme which lead to the bubble burst, so stop being so damn self sufficient and start be self sustaining instead whiners...

Best regard

Loke .:.

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I always enjoy being schooled from a person who has absolutely no idea what this thread is about. As far as your comment about the US becoming another ideology, the offical term you are looking for is "It can never happen here", which is a dangerous mindset.

If our Constitution were followed correctly, I might agree with you. However, when we start ignoring our constitution while substituting ideas from countries that run in the complete opposite manner as ours, its a serious problem. Its a loss of rights, of sovereignty and accountability of the Government to the people.

It sets it up where the Government derives its authority not from the people, but from its own creations. He is saying that in countries where the Government derives its authority from itself and not the people, violence is a way of life, up to and including people being killed for violating those ideas.

What he is saying is removing the constitution and the people while replacing those with edicts is coming soon to a theatre / shore near you if we continue down this road.

So he does mean other Americans.

I'm done with this thread. I tried. I really did.

And i wasn't "looking for something that wasn't there."

He rambles like a madman. Sorry but that's the truth.

Good day.