Hello, I am back to explain a bit more about the Dulce Canyon facilities

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posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 07:25 AM
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After working through a few difficulties following the publishing of my recent novel, I am back, and plan to provide a few more details about particular items I previously discussed.

To begin with, I want to provide just a bit more information about the Dulce Canyon facility. To go back to its origins, at the end of World War II, the facilities at Los Alamos were above-ground. Once it became clear that an Allied vs. Soviet conflict was developing at the end of the war, instead of winding down the project, efforts were made to expand the associated facilities for what appeared to be, and was, a protracted “conflict other than war,” as the military classified it.

That was the origin of the Dulce Canyon facility. There was a need for a larger, safer, and more covert location to deal with how to take the raw nuclear material from Oak Ridge, and prepare it for use as a nuclear warhead. That was the purpose of Dulce Canyon facility then, and the purpose it has served since. The original DUMB (Deep Underground Military Base) was thought to be fairly large, but it was expanded twice during the Eisenhower administration, as the Cold War heated up, and there may have been further expansion since, but I cannot speak to that with any knowledge.
Now let me explain how and why I have knowledge of this facility. At Cape Canaveral AFS, and with the military support we provided to NASA at Kennedy Space Center, I had to deal with all military public health, bioenvironmental engineering, and medical health issues in dealing with the nuclear materials we had available. Naturally, I cannot discuss what all we did at the Cape with nuclear materials. The most widely known functions would be when we had launch missions dealing with RTGs (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generators) we would use in shuttle and deep space probe missions. In most cases involved with warheads, RTGs, and other sundry items, we received these from the Dulce Canyon facility. While I received most major and specific mission reports from one office there, I had a contact that I dealt with. That is how I learned the vast majority of the information about Dulce Canyon that I now know.

While this does not preclude the possibilities of whether alien technology was being placed there, with a knowledge of how the military functions, it makes little sense to place such diametrically opposed missions at the same location. After all, we have a great number of other facilities that known even less than Dulce Canyon.
I hope some people will find this helpful.




posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 09:13 AM
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My thanks for your input.
I had no idea that dulce was initially a weapons and nuclear equipment center.
Do you have any confirmation of the phil schnieder story?Or any other info which could lead to such confirmation?
from what was told, there were casualties and that includes KIAs during a dispute with the resident greys.
Any inkling of that action ever cross your desk?
Say a slow down of delivery of certain items within the time fram or other things that may indicate that all was not well at the facuility for a time?



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 09:43 AM
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I appreciate your interest in my post, but your questions are the very ones I prefer to not respond to. Your viewpoint is obviously quite different from mine, and nothing I write will change your opinion. Therefore, it is a waste of my time and energy trying to alter your decided viewpoint.

There are NO FACTS that could be released that would change your mind, but I hope you have a nice day.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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Thank you for your post. I don't really know why, but I've always been fascinated with the Dulce stories. Some of the Dulce stuff is about as "out there" as it gets, none the less it's always captured my imagination.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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Those who have not been associated with these types of missions do not understand all of the factors required to complete a classified function, and how difficult it is to "mix" these types of missions.

At Cape Canaveral, because of the secrecy required for our space launches, we were the perfect place to place other types of classified operations NOT associated with space launches or recovery. If I were able to tell those on this forum what all we did at the Cape, it would start a huge number of new threads. However, there were so many issues in dealing with the many "bosses" we had to answer to for each type of classified missions. There were actually times when we had very powerful organizations fighting each other, sometimes appealing to the HIGHEST level of our government to decide which group would have to wait to allow the other organization to have precedent. The closer the organizations, the smoother it went. The more disparate the organizations, the greater the conflicts.

Even when highly classified operations try to work together, the fact is that they don't function well when there are separate "top managers" are involved.

IF such an organization existed that controlled information of alien beings and technology, they would be so secret in their selection of sites for their purposes that it would be in locations totally unkown to the general public. Even a site as classified as Dulce Canyon could not meet their requirements! This is true even moreso for any location so celebrated as Area 51, etc.

If one looks for a good fishing hole, it makes great sense to first check to see if the fish you are after even reside in those waters!!!



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 03:35 PM
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Very glad to see you back and posting Truth1000

Is your book available for general public purchase yet? If so,
please send details by PM or post here if you wish.
Thanks!

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posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 05:13 PM
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Another interesting thing about Dulce Canyon is that their products are mainly shipped eastward, but not as far as the Mississppi. Can anyone publicly announced the location of their storage. It would be better that I not be the person to name that facility on an open forum.
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posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 03:36 PM
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Hello incubus, i am afraid i have no opinion of the veracity of the schneider tale...
have no wish to debate, only inquire as to the possibility of some truth or not to his story, and subsequent rumours ever since.
Also there were a rash of cattle mutilations around the area, and the Jicarilla reserve.
Do you have any inkling at all what may have been involved with this situation.It was indeed investigated by the FBI at one point, but they opted for the predator explanation.
I asure you i have an open mind on the schneider affair, and merely wish to know if you credit any of the tale....
regards s



posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 03:47 PM
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There's a huge flaw in your theory: Area 51 and Dulce Canyon (Though I know little about the place) were selected to harbor alien tech before they became famous.

I mean Area 51 us said to have gotten an alien craft sent to it from the Roswell Crash. Most people didn't know of Area 51 until this point so why wouldn't they select it? Unless you're saying the goverment can predict the future and where ufologist are going to go searching for Aliens they would have no idea that Ufologist would select Dulce Canyon or Area 51 as places to investigate alien crafts or to select them as places that held alien crafts.



posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 06:14 PM
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One thing people need to realize is that there are highly classified sites that focus on primarily ONE function. This serves as a means of gathering top specialists together without them being required share many details of their functions outside of that site. Stuff comes in. Something happens inside the site. Something different comes out, but no one anywhere else knows exactly what happened or how. The next site simply takes that new something in, does its thing, and an even newer/more complete product comes out. This is true for information, nuclear weapons, advanced technologies, etc. The more locations deal with a function, the more likely it is for a leak to occur.

This is called compartmentalization, and has been a fundamental element of intelligence functions in this country since the Culper Ring.

If an operation is too large for a single function, then it will tend to be sub-divided. Each of those sub-divisions, then, will be parceled out to other classified locations, but in a way to avoid any clear cut pattern. If sub-division A is with an intel site, then B might be located with a weapons storage area. C might be at an airbase with a seemingly mundane function that would be the place least likely to be suspected to house a super-classified site. On and on it goes. Sub-division F might be located in an abandoned silver mine, while G is located inside a dam complex.

Believe me, there are some very intelligent people running these shows, and they are very good a hiding things. Even those in plain site!.



posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 06:32 PM
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Is the bulk of Dulce Canyon underground facilities?

Do these facilities extend beyond a few floors underground (meaning deep subterranean bases?)

Do employees heading to Dulce fly in the same unmarked passenger airline planes like the employees heading to a51?

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To your knowledge are there any dangerous weapons housed at Dulce, and can you give us any hints as to what type of weapons, nuclear, bioweapon, etc etc.
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posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 06:48 PM
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Everything at Dulce Canyon is underground.

You should be able to read between the lines of my previous posts to figure out that anything to do with the MANHATTAN Project was primarily in a single field of endeavor. Most biological/chemical weapons development were related to the Fort Detrick facilities. There are two non-classified major munitions manufacturing sites, though the conventional weapons they produce are stored elsewhere

The employees do NOT fly in to their location.

I have still not seen anyone state/speculate as to where the products of Dulce Canyon go. I won't be able to confirm or deny any sites, but it would be interesting to see what everyone might come up with.



posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by Truth1000
I appreciate your interest in my post, but your questions are the very ones I prefer to not respond to. Your viewpoint is obviously quite different from mine, and nothing I write will change your opinion. Therefore, it is a waste of my time and energy trying to alter your decided viewpoint.

There are NO FACTS that could be released that would change your mind, but I hope you have a nice day.


So am I correct in assuming you have no interest in reporting on the UFO/Alien angle here? You are posting this under military projects, not UFOs, and that's the angle from which you will discuss this. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, just trying to clarify for all of us what your parameters are. Thanks.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 04:18 AM
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In regards to where these "items" from Dulce are shipped, I only have two guesses based on very limited knowledge. With your experience working for NASA and your mention of classified nuclear activities at the Cape, I would think possibly Johnson Space Center in Texas, or possibly Keesler AFB in Mississippi (being that it is West of the river, per one of your clues...) and a very large base. I'm also thinking that possibly Barksdale AFB (does "Bossier Base" mean anything?). On a side note, this is my first post on the site, so please don't flame me too hard if I'm way off.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 06:23 AM
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Had a look at the book.

It's a self published job. Comes with a highly odd recommendation in the blurb, too ...

"By way of notice, this is a story specifically designed for those with an above average intelligence, with an educational level of approximately a sophomore in college. Because of this, those people who would not like to analyze this story, or perhaps even take notes while reading this story, may find that this format and discussion are at a level they do not enjoy."

The handfuls of commas thrown at the page gave me a little bit of a head ache, but then my English skills aren't great, and I'm not a Sophomore in college.

I admire anyone who can take the time to write 600 or so pages and bind it to an extent, but it's not exactly what I'd call gripping reading and you're going to struggle a bit. The Joe character reads like a bit of a stereotype, and guessing seems encouraged.

I imagine the book is pretty much a mirror of some of the threads on this topic.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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[self-promotion removed]

As for the UFO aspect, the Dulce Canyon facility "could" hide those type of secrets, but it is a base and location that wouldn't be the most suitable for any type of such effort. The requirements I would look for to utilize that type of technology is not really compatible with what I know of the base. While I am far from the foremost expert in the field, I do know of other sites that would be far more amenable. I will have to leave it at that, sorry.

I said I wouldn't confirm or deny any locations, but I will make an exception about Johnson Space Center. It ABSOLUTELY is not there. There are simply NO facilities to utilize any significant radiation sources at JSC.
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posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 11:35 AM
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This subject fascinates me as well I am always curious about black projects, and the such. Recently I have been looking at Holloman AFB in Alamogordo NM and am wondering if in any of your research you have come crossed anything connecting it with Area 51 or Dulce?



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 11:52 AM
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Holloman AFB is a horse of an entirely difference color. It is currently the home of the F-117 Nighthawks, as well as a depot for air-to-air drones for air combat and surface-to-air training. It is the closest official facility to the Trinity Site, where the first atomic bomb was detonated. The land is totally flat between the higher mountains to the east and the lower, more distant mountains to the west. If you travel further east, you reach the White Sands Space Harbor, where Columbia landed, I think in 1982. Beyond that lies White Sands.

It has always surprised me how much attention is paid to Area 51 while so little is paid to White Sands. Curious.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 03:52 PM
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I feel like I'm missing something here... Perhaps I need to do little more research into the Dulce facility and it's surrounding areas. Do you have any keywords or maybe a general direction that could possibly help me out here.



posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by SuperScooby
I feel like I'm missing something here... Perhaps I need to do little more research into the Dulce facility and it's surrounding areas. Do you have any keywords or maybe a general direction that could possibly help me out here.


Use the ATS search box at the top right of this page and you will find
plenty of articles on this topic, type in "Dulce" which doesn't
officially exist....
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