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I'm comfortable with my beleif that the Bible is the divinely inspired word of God, and I know about a lot of those "bad" verses .
Originally posted by Misoir
Once again another thread trying to just show a little support for the good aspects of religion has turned into an Christian bash-fest.edit on 1/22/2011 by Misoir because: (no reason given)
No I don't believe it is OK to murder rape and steal but as I said in my post the OT is an account of the history of the JEWISH people and like any nation or people their history is filled with both good and bad things but the bad shouldn't be the only thing focused on. Greek and roman history has nothing to do with the bible but it has a lot to do with this discusion I believe because no matter what nation or people or race we discuss whether it be greeks, jews or mayans every nations history is filled with good and bad but they shouldn't be judged on the bad alone. Yes the bible does demonstrate that men are fallible because almost every single person mentioned in scripture made mistakes and had to learn from them. It is one of the center points of scripture and the very beginning of it. All men make mistakes but there is forgiveness. As i said men are fallible we make mistakes and learning to be like Christ, to become love is the hardest lesson of all because our flesh wants to do the opposite. This has been enjoyable. Thank you.
Originally posted by bogomil
Re I want to believe
["Now then it is true that the bible is filled with stories of war, sex, violence, incest, murder and theft but what nation or people doesn't have that?]
So it's OK then? We can use the bible as a moral guide and as an description of ultimate reality, because some other idiots also behaved badly.
Quote: ["The greek and roman empires are filled with such stories but we do not disregard their history or write them off do we?"]
What has greek and roman history to do with the theological bible?
Quote: [" We are men and we are inherently fallible and the bible demonstrates this to us."]
What do you mean "demonstrates"? The bible POSTULATES, ofcourse unless circle-argumentation is acceptable. In which case the flying spaghetti monster also is true (you never heard that one before did you, or maybe you just like to preach, no matter what).
Quote: [" He teaches the concepts of ''love thy enemy'', pray for those who hate you and despise you, forgive those who wrong you, give abundantly, judge no one and ''do unto others as you would have them do unto you.'' All are good, right and sound principles to live your life by and that is what christians are supposed to do and be--- disciples of Christ."]
It's sad then, that many christians haven't read NT or choose to ignore it. In any case practically all ethical teachings contain the same message, but without OT to confuse them or fall back on, when violence after all IS needed.
Quote: ["I hope I have brought some clarity and understanding to this discussion."]
You have repeated a sermon served incessantly, and if people haven't understood this sermon by now, they never will.