reply to post by seedofchucky
I don't like your link. They purposefully don't explain a situation in order to only present one side of looking at the situation. Frankly, as someone
who has studied the Bible objectively, I find this website laughable (as I do most of the others that post things like this). You won't agree, more
than likely (which is fine), but you are viewing things from a very human perspective. I know it's hard to swallow, but the Bible teaches that there
is no good in us apart from God. If that is the case, then all of the things this website point towards were justified. For instance, take
evilbible.com's analysis of 1st Chronicles chapter 21. This is a direct quote from the site you posted(also happens to be their very first example, oh
my how it sets the tone for this whole site's propaganda):
Yahweh spoke to Gad, David's seer, saying, Go and speak to David, saying, Thus says Yahweh, I offer you three things: choose you one of them, that I
may do it to you. So Gad came to David, and said to him, Thus says Yahweh, Take which you will: either three years of famine; or three months to be
consumed before your foes, while the sword of your enemies overtakes you; or else three days the sword of Yahweh, even pestilence in the land, and the
angel of Yahweh destroying throughout all the borders of Israel. Now therefore consider what answer I shall return to him who sent me. David said to
Gad, I am in a great strait: let me fall, I pray, into the hand of Yahweh; for very great are his mercies: and let me not fall into the hand of man.
So Yahweh sent a pestilence on Israel; and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men. (1 Chronicles 21:9-14 WEB)
That sounds pretty terrible. I mean, for God to just up and decide to kill 70,000 people just because David wanted a census of his kingdom? The shame,
the shame....wait a sec? What's that we have here? Hmmmm... If you read the whole chapter, you just might notice this little bit at the
1st Chron 21
1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. 2 And David said to Joab and to the rulers of the people, Go, number Israel
from Beersheba even to Dan; and bring the number of them to me, that I may know it. 3 And Joab answered, The LORD make his people an hundred times so
many more as they be: but, my lord the king, are they not all my lord's servants? why then doth my lord require this thing? why will he be a cause of
trespass to Israel? 4 Nevertheless the king's word prevailed against Joab. Wherefore Joab departed, and went throughout all Israel, and came to
Jerusalem. 5 And Joab gave the sum of the number of the people unto David. And all they of Israel were a thousand thousand and an hundred thousand men
that drew sword: and Judah was four hundred threescore and ten thousand men that drew sword. 6 But Levi and Benjamin counted he not among them: for
the king's word was abominable to Joab. 7 And God was displeased with this thing; therefore he smote Israel.
Ok....interesting. Here it says that the devil tempted David, and he gave in to that temptation.This points to the fact that David's reason for the
census was something less than righteous. Wonder how David felt about this?
Let's see, shall we?
1st Chron again:
8 And David said unto God, I have sinned greatly, because I have done this thing: but now, I beseech thee, do away the iniquity of thy servant; for I
have done very foolishly.
So now David admits that he has done wrong in the sight of the Lord, and wishes for God to forgive his iniquities. But you wouldn't get that if you
just read evilbible.com's version of the events, now would you? Many people accuse us Christians of following blindly, doing what we are told, etc.
What are you doing? You just accept this website as proof or evidence that the Bible is evil without any research into the topics? You're probably
thinking I cherry picked this too. Here's another one for you, my friend. From YOUR website.
At the customary time for offering the evening sacrifice, Elijah the prophet walked up to the altar and prayed, "O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob, prove today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant. Prove that I have done all this at your command. O LORD, answer me! Answer
me so these people will know that you, O LORD, are God and that you have brought them back to yourself." Immediately the fire of the LORD flashed
down from heaven and burned up the young bull, the wood, the stones, and the dust. It even licked up all the water in the ditch! And when the people
saw it, they fell on their faces and cried out, "The LORD is God! The LORD is God!" Then Elijah commanded, "Seize all the prophets of Baal. Don't
let a single one escape!" So the people seized them all, and Elijah took them down to the Kishon Valley and killed them there. (1 Kings 18:36-40
Here we have Elijah the Prophet, who has interrupted the peaceful worship of some very kind, and wonderful people and prophets who follow the fake god
Baal. Right? I mean that is what it looks like, religious intolerance right? Let's look a little closer, shall we? For the background on this deal, we
have to go back in time just a little bit further, to the 16th chapter of 1st Kings.
29 And in the thirty and eighth year of Asa king of Judah began Ahab the son of Omri to reign over Israel: and Ahab the son of Omri reigned over
Israel in Samaria twenty and two years. 30 And Ahab the son of Omri did evil in the sight of the LORD above all that were before him. 31 And it came
to pass, as if it had been a light thing for him to walk in the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, that he took to wife Jezebel the daughter of
Ethbaal king of the Zidonians, and went and served Baal, and worshipped him. 32 And he reared up an altar for Baal in the house of Baal, which he had
built in Samaria. 33 And Ahab made a grove; and Ahab did more to provoke the LORD God of Israel to anger than all the kings of Israel that were before
Now in Chapter 17 (forgive my paraphrasing, feel free to read the whole chapters if you like, but it's not necessary for my points)
1 And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, As the LORD God of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there shall
not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word.
Here God promises no moisture for years, and if you read further He delivers. Now we're getting to the point, Chapter 18:
And it came to pass after many days, that the word of the LORD came to Elijah in the third year, saying, Go, shew thyself unto Ahab; and I will send
rain upon the earth. 2 And Elijah went to shew himself unto Ahab.
Now we get to the main event so to speak. (also in Chapter 18)
17 And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah, that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel? 18 And he answered, I have not troubled
Israel; but thou, and thy father's house, in that ye have forsaken the commandments of the LORD, and thou hast followed Baalim. 19 Now therefore send,
and gather to me all Israel unto mount Carmel, and the prophets of Baal four hundred and fifty, and the prophets of the groves four hundred, which eat
at Jezebel's table. 20 So Ahab sent unto all the children of Israel, and gathered the prophets together unto mount Carmel. 21 And Elijah came unto all
the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him
not a word. 22 Then said Elijah unto the people, I, even I only, remain a prophet of the LORD; but Baal's prophets are four hundred and fifty men. 23
Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on wood, and put no fire
under: and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: 24 And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the
name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken. 25 And Elijah said unto
the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire
under. 26 And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O
Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made. 27 And it came to pass at noon, that
Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth,
and must be awaked. 28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them. 29
And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice,
nor any to answer, nor any that regarded. 30 And Elijah said unto all the people, Come near unto me. And all the people came near unto him. And he
repaired the altar of the LORD that was broken down. 31 And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob,
unto whom the word of the LORD came, saying, Israel shall be thy name: 32 And with the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD: and he made a
trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed. 33 And he put the wood in order, and cut the bullock in pieces, and laid him
on the wood, and said, Fill four barrels with water, and pour it on the burnt sacrifice, and on the wood. 34 And he said, Do it the second time. And
they did it the second time. And he said, Do it the third time. And they did it the third time. 35 And the water ran round about the altar; and he
filled the trench also with water. 36 And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and
said, LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done
all these things at thy word. 37 Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the LORD God, and that thou hast turned their heart
back again. 38 Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water
that was in the trench. 39 And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God.
40 And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook
Kishon, and slew them there. 41 And Elijah said unto Ahab, Get thee up, eat and drink; for there is a sound of abundance of rain.
So here we have God showing that He is the one true God, with an absolute display of authority. Doing the impossible. AH! Man...I just thought God
decided to kill those false prophets because they wasted a good bull carcass. Who ever would have thought that they had been leading God's people
astray? Certainly not anyone who only read what your link had to say about it. Just as Christians who mass post things with out research end up
looking like fools, so do the "educated" non christians, whether they be atheist, muslim, agnostic, gnostic, whatever. All I'm saying is that in order
to "deny ignorance", one must get both sides of a story. It doesn't do anyone any good when we post sensationalist material. I mean no harm, and no
offense in any of this. Let's get one thing clear though: This website is biased.
edit on 21-1-2011 by one_man24 because: typos and