reply to post by seedofchucky
This is a partial reply. I am still working on the bottom quarter of your post. This was just so much info, both for me to research and for you to
take in when I presented it, that I decided to post in parts. Here is the first, and much larger of the two. Second to come, in time. Thank you for
Seed of Chucky, Autowrench, Elahrairah, and Bogomil. I will answer your posts in this order, just as they were posted. Do me these two small
1.Please excuse the posting of other Christians work, but know that I have reviewed them and found that I agree with their assessment. It helps me
tremendously. I am not a minister, or even a student at this time. I have a wife, people who depend on me, and I am the manager of a small business.
It is regrettable, but I just don't have all the time I would like to work on my replies to you. I decided to do my own analysis when you have posted
a verse or contradiction of your own, but I think it is reasonable for me use the works of Christian authors that are direct replies to the works of
Non Christians that you have posted. Fair is fair, right?
2.Please read my replies thoroughly. I have worked very hard to give you an honest, sensible Christian reply, especially for those of you who posted
specific verses. I am researching the specific passage you quoted across many different translation, as well as the context, the original Hebrew and
Greek, and the setting. Please give my posts the same respect that I have given yours, and don't dismiss them out of hand as making excuses or
“explaining away”. I believe they are solid defenses of what I, and others, believe.
Seed of Chucky:
Your link didn't work, but I assume that you refer to the pamphlet by Shabir Ally. Correct me if I have the wrong of it.
101 Contradictions in the Bible – refutation of the pamphlet by Shabir Ally (it's long, so I won't blame you if you skip down to the meat, but it
is all relevant and interesting if you enjoy the topic)
Shabir Ally is Muslim preacher who has authored many other works other than “101 Clear Contradictions in the Bible.” This post is meant solely as
a commentary on that specific work. Shabir Ally shows extreme bias in unveiling these contradictions. He frequently misreads passages, cherry picks'
quotes out of context, and misunderstands the Hebrew meaning of words. He also skews verses in order to fit his own perspective and agenda. If you
will read the responses by Jay Smith, Alex Chowdhry, Toby Jepson, and James Schaeffer, you will see that Shabir Ally is not approaching these verses
in a scholarly manor. He is obviously attempting to discredit the truth of the Bible, which is fine and his right in of itself, but attests to his
prejudice by not doing so in an honest manner. I cannot believe that he is an honest man, and would be very skeptical of any material written by
Also, this is not the only refutation o this pamphlet written by a Christian, or even Jew. There are many others.
50,000 Errors in The Bible?
This article was first published in the Jehovah's Witness religious publication AWAKE!, on September 8, 1957, with the headline “50,000 Errors in
the Bible?”. Deedat copied the headline of the article, and added “Christians Admit!” to the heading to suit his own purposes. The author of
the source sums it up nicely:
“Is this article really admitting that there are 50,000 errors in the Bible? The answer is no, for the title of the article is, "50,000 Errors in
the Bible?", with a question mark. It is not saying that there are 50,000 errors, but is asking the question, are there 50,000 errors? And the answer
it gives is no.
... the impression that 50,000 such serious errors occur in the Bible ... is not true. (Awake, September 8, 1957, p. 25)
Therefore, the article is not admitting that the Bible has 50,000 errors at all. The article deals with the most ancient manuscripts of the Bible and
the variants between them and the King James translation (KJV/AV). It explains how modern translations, like the Revised Standard Version (RSV), take
into account these variants. Deedat has completely twisted the meaning of the article.”
If you read the source further, the author goes on to address a few of the “contradictions” that Deedat himself has chosen to discuss as an
example. Needless to say, Deedat has taken different renderings of Hebrew words that can mean different things as errors, rather than differing
translations of a Hebrew noun. This is very misleading, and he uses this to present a dishonest case against the veracity of the Bible. He also brings
up a portion of 1st John 5:7 that appears in the KJV, but completely disappears in the Revised Standard Version. Here are the verses:
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and The Holy Ghost: these three are one.”
“And the Spirit is the witness because the Spirit is truth.”
The RSV 1st John 5:7 appears as part B of verse 6. It is completely omitted in the RSV. Deedat points to this as an error in the Bible, when it
actually reflects the excellent scholarship and honestly of modern Christians and Theologians. Upon researching the earliest manuscripts, Biblical
Scholars found that verse 7 didn't appear in the oldest copies of 1st John, and therefore removed it from the Revised Standard Version. This, and
other textual variants, often appear in footnotes in study bibles, with commentary on why it was rendered so.
The quotes on Christian ignorance:
“As I stated, there is not one error in the bible, not one at all. That has been proven 100% truth by all the museums by all the evidence that are
in all the museums around the world.”
“There is not one error in the Bible & anyone who has the brain to research this will find that out”
Just to clarify (for those who read this and may have missed something), these are not my words. SeedofChucky posted some comments from some
overzealous brothers of mine on youtube. That being said, other than not providing or explaining their blanket statements, I don't have a big problem
with these words. If by error, they mean typo, then they are incorrect. There have been a missing number here or there, and a letter our of place, but
certainly nothing that completely changes the meaning/message of a particular passage. I assume that the person who posted about the “evidence in
museums” around the world was referring to the mounds of archaeological evidence that point to the Bible being a fairly reliable book in terms of
history. Although, one could also argue that museums around the world are filled with evidence AGAINST the Biblical concept of Creationism.
“I guess only Christians have brains?”
No it's not true that only Christians have brains. I think you knew this already though. The way some of us post, it makes us look like we are the
only ones who don't have brains.
The Deedat Videos:
After doing some research on Ahmed Deedat, I have found that he was just as agenda driven, biased, and as deceitful in his analysis as Shabir Ally. I
would hope that after reading my short piece on “50,000 Errors in the Bible?” you would start to question his reasoning, his skill as a Bible
Scholar, and without a doubt, his honesty. Rather than address the videos myself, I refer to a source I used earlier in the refutation of “50,000
Errors in the Bible”, as you have no doubt noticed that it is also a refutation of all Deedat's teaching on the Bible.
Deedat most certainly does not destroy the Bible, as you claimed.
“Remember this guy? Was he one of yours' gone bad?”
Couldn't get the large link to work in my browser. If you have another link, or something similar, please repost. I will address it at a later
Gentelmen, I must reiterate: This was an arduous task. I have poored my heart and soul into it, and not selfishly either. Of course, it began in
defense of the Christian faith, but I also did it for you. I want to answer your questions, sincerely and honestly. Please devote yourself to reading
it in it's entiretly. I will be patient, just as you have been with me. I will answer any question any of you have to the best of my ability, if you
will but give me time. I am only a part time theologian, if I be I can be considered a theologian at all. For sake of not derailing the thread, any
questions not directly related to the OP should probably be posted in my Christian Answer Questions Thread.
More to come.