2006 Orlando Neo-Nazi rally was organized by FBI informant

That revelation came Wednesday in an unrelated federal court hearing and has prompted outrage from black leaders, some of whom demanded an investigation into whether the February 2006 march was, itself, an event staged by law-enforcement agencies.

thy-weapon-of-war.blogspot.com...

"It's one of the largest extremist groups in the country..."

of course it is since it is state sponsored.

-The city spent tens of thousands on officers, including SWAT team

-An neo-Nazi Bill White says "If he was being sponsored by the FBI, then American National Socialism has a lot to thank the FBI for," White said in an e-mail."


Alzo Reddick, a former state legislator says "I think law enforcement has to walk in some murky places to be where the bad guys are,"

BUT,

Orlando police Deputy Chief Pete Gauntlett says "We let them express their free speech and let them do what they're allowed to do, but we wanted to have control."

So which is it? Are these neo-nazis expressing freedom of speech or are they looking for bad guys? Oh how the lines become blurred. Frankly I don't care if people want to hold a neo nazi rally but getting an FBI informant to host it just shows the establishment uses racial tensions to incite violence, I believe anyone else would be convicted of conspiring to incite a riot.

Bill White, a former spokesman for the National Socialist Movementwho participated in the rally and now runs another neo-Nazi group, said he was surprised to hear of Gletty's involvement with the FBI...He said Gletty did a lot for the cause.

LOL...It is always interesting to see socialists being involved in, orchestrating and paying for Neo-Nazi movements that disrupt the community.

Progressives at their best!

What is up with the FBI? Who are they working for? My God these people are supposed to be
protecting us and they are psychopaths!! Obviously they have a different agenda then the one
they try to put forth publicly. And it would seem that a lot of their so-called informants don't
actually start breaking the law until they become involved with the FBI.

There was another case in Denver where an FBI informant became a serial killer...after he became involved with the FBI. And when the family of the victims tried to find out what had happened to the victims, they were stonewalled by the FBI.

I'm just curious what kind of story the FBI gives its new recruits? I would imagine initially they must be very patriotic people. How do they get so turned around like that and justify this crap? Do they thump them over
the head or make them drink the Koolaid or what? Or perhaps they only hire psychopaths to begin with. It just puzzles me to no end how these people sleep at night. In their eyes the end justifies the means I suppose. And the means becomes a whole new set of problems...

Originally posted by orbitbaby
What is up with the FBI? Who are they working for? My God these people are supposed to be
protecting us and they are psychopaths!! Obviously they have a different agenda then the one
they try to put forth publicly. And it would seem that a lot of their so-called informants don't
actually start breaking the law until they become involved with the FBI.

There was another case in Denver where an FBI informant became a serial killer...after he became involved with the FBI. And when the family of the victims tried to find out what had happened to the victims, they were stonewalled by the FBI.

I'm just curious what kind of story the FBI gives its new recruits? I would imagine initially they must be very patriotic people. How do they get so turned around like that and justify this crap? Do they thump them over
the head or make them drink the Koolaid or what? Or perhaps they only hire psychopaths to begin with. It just puzzles me to no end how these people sleep at night. In their eyes the end justifies the means I suppose. And the means becomes a whole new set of problems...

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I think it all revolves around the "end justifies the means" it is their excuse to commit crimes. Police officers learn to plant evidence to "catch" a bad guy. FBI learns to talk terrorists into a terrorist plot with fake explosives to discourage other terrorists. CIA commits terrorist acts against other countries because they are "bad for democracy"

Step by step these people sell their souls to the idea that a little crime can somehow prevent a big crime, when all that is really happening is the crimes perpetuated by these covert operations.

The FBI wants the public to be afraid of neo-nazis so they can label all political dissidents white supremacists, notice how racist it is towards whites but also humiliating towards other races.

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The FBI wants the public to be afraid of neo-nazis so they can label all political dissidents white supremacists, notice how racist it is towards whites but also humiliating towards other races.

The notion that the "neo-nazi" or "extreme right wing" label is used to create a dialectical problem for the fed gov to solve is VERY accurate.

If they have these things in play, and can point to crimes committed by these people, even if the perpetrators are in the pay of and/or instigated by the FBI, it becomes much easier to label any sort of dissident or protester a "dangerous right wing nut."

the concept really is transparent and shameful.

The main reason that the FBI furthers the Neo Nazi meme is to be able to say that the people calling for smaller government are affiliated with them.

Without the Neo Nazis, how are they going to demonize the "supposed" right wing.

This is the argument I have made over and over again.

Historically speaking, when discussing governance, you either had more power in the government or in the people.

Left wing=Totalitarian (power in the state) Right wing=Anarchy (power in the individual)

With the creation of the false left/right, the government creates the narrative that if you go away from socialism you go towards fascism, which is a blatant lie. Socialism and fascism are directly related to the power of the government. So they are inherently the same.

This is the reason that the FBI furthers the Neo Nazis. Because if they didn't, they would end up exposing this component. The Neo Nazis would just die off just as the socialists would.

Just another component of the divide and conquer principle.

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Boy, history class wasn't your strong suit was it? National Socialists ARE Neo Nazis. Shesh Oh Pete, and there is really NOTHING socialist about them. They are basically. the TEA Party on steroids.

Originally posted by whatukno
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Boy, history class wasn't your strong suit was it? National Socialists ARE Neo Nazis. Shesh Oh Pete, and there is really NOTHING socialist about them. They are basically. the TEA Party on steroids.

I have to agree with you Whatukno.

Deny Ignorance!

Originally posted by whatukno
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Boy, history class wasn't your strong suit was it? National Socialists ARE Neo Nazis. Shesh Oh Pete, and there is really NOTHING socialist about them. They are basically. the TEA Party on steroids.

Actually, history class was my strong suit.

There is plenty socialist about Nazis and Neo-Nazis. Nazis were (and are) textbook socialists. That's why they called themselves the "National Socialists."

The tea Party is about as far removed from Nazism and Socialism as you can get on the political/ideological spectrum.

You should go back and do some more reading. I'd recommend Levin's Liberty vs. Tyranny. It is the best book out there right now about this stuff.

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Excellent points!

It is fascinating to see how well the propaganda has affected the way people think about what leftism, socialism, progressivism and fascism is. Sadly, the psyop conducted by TPTB over the past 60 years has been enormously effective.

I wish there was an effective way to combat these obviously faulty perceptions.

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NaTional Socialist Party - 25 Points

25 POINTS OF AMERICAN NATIONAL SOCIALISM

1. We demand the union of all Whites into a greater America on the basis of the right of national self-determination.
2. We demand equality of rights for the American people in its dealings with other nations, and the revocation of the United Nations, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the World Bank, the North American Free Trade Agreement, the World Trade Organization, and the International Monetary Fund.
3. We demand land and territory (colonies) to feed our people and to settle surplus population.
Only members of the nation may be citizens of the state. Only those of pure White blood, whatever their creed, may be members of the nation. Non-citizens may live in America only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens. Accordingly, no Jew or homosexual may be a member of the nation.

Does that sound like left wing liberal ideals. Click the link above for the rest.

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No it doesn't, but that's why I said, TEA Party on Steroids.

But the radical right doesn't want to be associated with the Neo Nazis even though the political ideology is so similar, because of bad press.

The trick of fascism, historically, is that it masquerades under the label of "socialism" to make the people more receptive to it. Fascism tends to rise in times of extreme crisis when people are eager for change or salvation from circumstance.

It is not a liberal or conservative issue as it does not address the reality of either political system or philosophy in the in the US.

The real bone of contention here should be that we all become aware that we are currently in the kind of atmosphere that allows fascism to rise. We must be vigilant to see it does not.

And addressing the FBI being involved with this neo Nazi group... this is the way that they track, document, and eventually arrest the thugs.

~Heff

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So, is that an FBI front group?

So, you purposefully left out a couple-

We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens.

All citizens shall have equal rights and duties, regardless of class or station.

It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash within the framework of the community and be for the common good.

We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).

The prohibition of pro-marxist unions and their supplantation with National Socialist trade unions;

The passing of a law instituting profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises;

The creation of a livable wage;

Nice of you to just GLOSS OVER THE SIMILARITIES

Yeah, the Neo Nazis are not like SOCIALISTS, you peeps are SO FUNNY!

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Wait, so now you are FOR commie Unions? Doesn't sound very Free Market to me.

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Are you really not going to take up the challenge?

Define your ideology and how it is better than the opponent

National Socialism is another left wing totalitarian ideology just like Socialism and Communism. Prove the statement right or wrong.

Challenge presented.

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Here is the rest. That's all the 25 points. Source - National Socialist Party

Only members of the nation may be citizens of the state. Only those of pure White blood, whatever their creed, may be members of the nation. Non-citizens may live in America only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens. Accordingly, no Jew or homosexual may be a member of the nation.
The right to vote on the State government and legislation shall be enjoyed by citizens of the state alone.
We therefore demand that all official appointments, of whatever kind, whether in the nation, in the states or in smaller localities, shall be held by none but citizens.

We oppose the corrupting parliamentary custom of filling posts merely in accordance with party considerations and special interests-without reference to character or abilities.

We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens. If it should prove impossible to feed the entire population, foreign nationals (non-citizens) will be deported.
All non-White immigration must be prevented. We demand that all non-Whites currently residing in America be required to leave the nation forthwith and return to their land of origin: peacefully or by force.
All citizens shall have equal rights and duties, regardless of class or station.
It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash within the framework of the community and be for the common good.
We therefore demand:

The abolition of incomes unearned by work The breaking of interest slavery.
In view of the enormous personal sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We therefore demand the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.
We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
We demand economic reform suitable to our national requirements;
The prohibition of pro-marxist unions and their supplantation with National Socialist trade unions;

The passing of a law instituting profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises;

The creation of a livable wage;

The restructuring of social security and welfare to include drug testing for welfare recipients;

The immediate discontinuation of all taxes on things of life's necessity, such as food, clothing, shelter, medicine etc.:

The replacement of the current tax system with a flat-rate tax based on income.

We demand the treasonable system of health care be completely revolutionized.
We demand an end to the status quo in which people die or rot away from lack of proper treatment due to the failure of their medical coverage, Health Maintenance Organization, or insurance policy.

We further demand the extensive development of insurance for old age and that prescription drugs be made both affordable and accessible.

We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small trades in the placing of state and municipal orders.
We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, that shall be twofold in nature:
The primary land reform will be to ensure all members of the nation receive affordable housing. The party as such stands explicitly for private property.

However, we support the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation when deemed necessary for land illegally acquired, or not administered in accordance with the national welfare.

We further demand the abolition of ground rent, the discontinuation of all taxes on property, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

The secondary land reform will be to ensure the environmental integrity of the nation is preserved;

By setting aside land for national wildlife refuges;

By cleaning the urban, agricultural, and hydrographical (water) areas of the nation;

By creating legislation regulating the amount of pollution, carbon dioxide, greenhouse gases , and toxins released into the atmosphere;

And for the continued research and development of clean burning fuels and energy sources.

We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Murderers, rapists, pedophiles, drug dealers, usurers, profiteers, race traitors, etc. must be severely punished, whatever their creed or race.
We demand that Roman edict law, which serves a materialistic new world order, be replaced by Anglo-Saxon common law.
The state must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education with the aim of opening up to every able and hardworking American the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement.
The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life.

The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the state of the nation through the study of civic affairs.

We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the state.

The state must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers, infants, and the unborn:
By prohibiting abortion and euthanasia, except in cases of rape, incest, race-mixing, or mental retardation

By prohibiting child labor and ending the rudiments of child abuse, alcoholism, and drug addiction.

By creating conditions to make possible the reestablishment of the nuclear family in which the father works while the mother stays at home and takes care of the children if they so choose.

By taking away the economic burden associated with childbirth and replacing it with a structured system of pay raises for those that give birth to healthy babies, thereby returning the blessing associated with children.

To further ensure that the nation's health standards are raised, legislation shall be passed promoting physical strength and providing for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and by the extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of youth.

We demand the right to bear arms for law-abiding citizens.
We demand the abolition of the mercenary army, the end to the over-use of our military as a 'Meals-on-Wheels' program in foreign lands of no vital interest to our nation; and the formation of a true national service for the defense of our race and nation. One that excludes: non-Americans, criminals, and sensitivity training.
We demand legal warfare on deliberate political mendacity and its dissemination in the press. To facilitate the creation of a national press we demand:
(a) That all editors of and contributors to newspapers appearing in the English language must be members of the nation;

(b) That no non-American newspapers may appear without the express permission of the State. They must not be written in the English language;

(c) That non-Whites shall be prohibited by law from participating financially in or influencing American newspapers, and that the penalty for contravening such a law shall be the suppression of any such newspapers, and the immediate deportation of the non-Americans involved.

The publishing of papers which are not conducive to the national welfare must be forbidden. We demand the legal prosecution of all those tendencies in art and literature which corrupt our national life, and the suppression of cultural events which violate this demand.

We demand absolute religious freedom for all denominations in the State, provided they do not threaten its existence nor offend the moral feelings of the White race. The Party combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common good before self-interest.
To put the whole program into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central national government for the nation; the unconditional authority of the political central parliament over the entire nation and its organizations; and the formation of committees for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the nation and the various American States.
The leaders of the movement promise to work ruthlessly-if need be to sacrifice their very lives-to translate this program into action.

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I'm sure you can find other things to say, To compare the Nazis to Socialists is not rational, or historically correct.

Deny Ignorance - Expose lies.

Ziggy Strange

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National Socialism is just like any other Totalitarian type system. Period. The INDIVIDUAL loses rights to the government. Period.

Notice that it is almost a joke when the Neo Nazis have a rally or something.

The President appointed a communist to a position.

Oh well.

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