2006 Orlando Neo-Nazi rally was organized by FBI informant , page 2

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower

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Salt, I really don't have enough respect for you to debate you. So you can just drop the tough guy act, it's not going to work.

Secondly, Fascism (which is really what the Nazi's were all about) is a right wing trait, kinda why they killed everyone that wasn't white.

I am not saying that the TEA Party are all Nazis, but they have some similarities.

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reply to post by ziggystrange

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Good, you want to debate it?

Just because you move away from one totalitarian position, does not mean you go towards another.

It is a lie and a paradigm created to promote the divide and conquer component.

Either debate the topic or admit you are wrong. This is an off topic discussion.

edit to remove vitriol

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower

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So we agree Socialism and National Socialism are two different isms. I understand you dislike both, and why based on your reply.

Now we just have to find out if The National Socialist Party is an FBI front. Do you still insist that is the case?

Finally I certainly am not calling The Tea Parties Nazis, Let's get that straight. What people get freaked out about is the ideals some Tea Parties share with Nazis. The 3rd Reich was a totalitarian fascist regime hell bent on world domination by conquest, and genocide. Most people reject Nazi ideology, and they should.

Ziggy Strange

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower

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Debate what? I already proved "my" point.

Better luck next time.

Pick a topic you are right about.

Try and keep it civil, you know the rules here.

Ziggy Strange

Originally posted by ziggystrange
reply to post by MMPI2

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NaTional Socialist Party - 25 Points

25 POINTS OF AMERICAN NATIONAL SOCIALISM

1. We demand the union of all Whites into a greater America on the basis of the right of national self-determination.
2. We demand equality of rights for the American people in its dealings with other nations, and the revocation of the United Nations, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the World Bank, the North American Free Trade Agreement, the World Trade Organization, and the International Monetary Fund.
3. We demand land and territory (colonies) to feed our people and to settle surplus population.
Only members of the nation may be citizens of the state. Only those of pure White blood, whatever their creed, may be members of the nation. Non-citizens may live in America only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens. Accordingly, no Jew or homosexual may be a member of the nation.

Does that sound like left wing liberal ideals. Click the link above for the rest.

Yes, It absolutely does sound like left-wing / liberal ideals.

The key to socialism is centralized planning by an "elite." This is exactly what happened in Nazi Germany, and it is what distinguishes the socialist doctrine from a more "conservative" or "libertarian" manner of governance.

Each of the three points you cited above implicitly contain the notion that a small core or cadre of people decide how resources will be distributed, and how interactions between people and groups will be conducted. The "central planning" aspect is especially important in how socialist governments interact with business ventures.

One of the key features of socialism is this nationalization of industries. The "central planners" decide production and employment levels, manage labor issues, and decide how profits are allocated. Hitler and Mussolini were big into this...they and their operatives controlled and engineered key industries with little or no consideration for the owners or shareholders of those once private enterprises.

The crappy think about the "National Socialists" were their emphasis on engineering the content of national populations. They hated the poles, so they killed as many as they could. They despised the jews, the gays, the blacks, the gypsies and the catholics - so they killed as many as possible. Again, this was a group of self-appointed, self-elected group of social and political engineers that decided these things. The populace had minimal input in the ultimate decision-making about these issues and, consistently and not coincidentally, it is the problem with the Neo-Nazis...their "leaders" decide who will be tolerated, and who will not.

Barack Obama has done it too. He has nationalized banking, auto manufacturing, oil production, education and healthcare.

Give ti some thought. If you drill down to the common denominator and past the propaganda that fascists wield so effectively, you will see the inevitable common core.

reply to post by ziggystrange

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Yes, they are two different isms. But they have more in common than most would like to admit.

Remember the representative that threatened to Nationalize the oil industry? Hmmm, what party is she from?

The WUK attempts to equate the Tea Party with the fascists and it is so obvious that this is not the case, that it really begins to burn my bottom.

As for the FBI attempting to push the Neo Nazi to the forefront is kind of obvious.

Do you remember the case of the guy in I think it was Buffalo New York? He had a radio show and was a plant by the FBI.

There are NUMEROUS cases where they helped foment these groups into the public eye. I will expand further if you do not recall the case.

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower

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I agree that tactics used to infiltrate and expose hate groups can go beyond what's reasonable, or constitutional,
You don't have to post examples I agree.

Ziggy Strange

reply to post by MMPI2

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The Progressive movement in this country, which you label as Socialist, is not Socialism. Health care reform is just a good idea. I get it that any form of centralized Government can be characterized as being a socialist principle.

Is a State Government not also a form of centralized governing body?
By your yardstick that is Socialism also.

We have different views on what this country needs, and what Socialism is,
This country became Socialist in some ways the moment it established entitlements.

Inalienable rights are the core of common interest, and the foundation of this country.
Rights and entitlements are synonyms.

Do I want to Nationalize commerce? No. But I want it regulated to keep it within the constraints of the Constitution, and all it's amendments.

Equality for all under the law, and a level playing field.

That's justice for all.

Ziggy Strange

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