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I am certain some person, claiming to be the brainiac of left field and beyond will get on and try to convince everyone here that there is a way for the 347 fireman to be evenly spread across all firehouses. But I don't think anyone here is really stupid enough to fall for that tripe. [/ex
Ever hear of detailing ? That is men from one firehouse will be "detailed" to another for a shift to fill vacancy
from illness /vacation.
Wonder how "ONLY" one member of Ladder 10 died on 9/11?
On 9/11 - Jeffrey Olson was "detailed" to Ladder 10 from Engine 10, the officer Stephen Harrell was a
training officer fom Battalion 7 detailed there. The only regular member who died was Sean Tallon. One member
of Ladder 10 , Serge Pilipczuk became ill with chest pains . FF Mike Cancel stayed with him and was able
to make it out the building when told to evacuate. The driver (chauffer) John Morabito was outside with the apparatus. The rest of the unit continued to climb up the stairway - were unable to make it out of the building
Mr. Olsen, 31, is among the missing victims in the World Trade Center attack. A member of Engine Co. 10, one of the firehouses closest to the Twin Towers, Mr. Olsen was detailed to the ladder company of the same house on the morning of Sept. 11.
Here is story of Ladder 10 from Mike Cancel
I notice you ignored my earlier post on how Ladder 6 escaped - barely, being trapped in wrecked stairway for
several hours until rescued
Here is story by Capt Jay Jonas detailing activities on 9/11 and how escaped
Their brothers on Ladder 5 just above them in stairway did not make it out
As a sidebar attened a seminar 6 months after 9/11 and heard Capt Jonas speak and talked to him afterwards
Ladder 1 was one of the first units to arrive - it was with Battalion 1 Chief Joseph Pfeifer responding to gas leak
when witnessed AA 11 impact in North tower.
By the way Chief Pfeifer's brother Kevin, a LT in Engine 33, died on 9/11 - he was not scheduled to work that
day, but switched tours with other officer
As such would have been assigned to North tower - As early as 9:30 AM Deputy Chief Joe Callan concerned
about building stability ordered FF to begin evacuating North Tower. This was half hour BEFORE collapse
of South Tower. Some units heard the warning and got out, others did not.....
Thats is how members of some firehouses were able to escape
Now the most implausible part of their story. That these 347 went into these towers, and poof, vanished. None of their bones, flesh, 60 pound boots 50 pound rubber coats, hats, radios, air tanks surviving. They just disappeared and turned into dust. Not even to be found in the debris pile. That's what the fireman told us. That's their testimony. And in my opinion it is shameful.
Originally posted by Cassius666
I still dont quite get how many firehouses lost 1-2 members. You would assume that a firehouse operates as a team and enters the building toegether, so you would think there are firehouses which got almost completely wiped, if most of them were in the towers. How do firefighters operate, do they operate in such a way, that only a minority of each firehouse went inside the tower, teaming up with elements of other firehouses, which went into the tower, or does each firehouse operates as a unit and would enter a scene like the WTC as a large unit toegether?
FAIL! People are placed into the SSDI through processes with their death certificates, apart from anything the family does or doesn't do. And in the case of 9/11, the SSA sent out special caseworker teams to each respective disaster scene to expedite the process as well as make sure it was accurately done.
How Social Security Can Help You When A Family Member Dies
Social Security should be notified as soon as possible when a person dies. In most cases, the funeral director will report the person's death to Social Security. You will need to furnish the funeral director with the deceased's Social Security number so he or she can make the report.
The SSDI does not include death records for everyone who has been issued a Social Security Number (card). Common reasons for exclusion include the following:
The death was not reported to the Social Security Administration (SSA).
The death occurred before the Death Master File was maintained in a computer database. About 98 percent of the deaths in this database occurred between 1962 and the present.
The person did not participate in the Social Security program.
Survivor death benefits were (are) being paid to dependents or spouse.
A recent death may not be indexed yet.
Human error. (Before you give up, read the section titled "Missing Entries in the SSDI.")
If you do not find a listing in the SSDI, it does not mean the person is still living, or that the Social Security Administration (SSA) has no records on the deceased. See "Contacting the SSA for Information" for instructions on requesting information on individuals not in the SSDI.
I am absolutely dumbfounded by the number of obvious actors that were used on 9/11 that I am coming across in research every day without even looking for.
This former "WTC employee" is telling his narrative, except he forgets the name of the company he has obviously worked for for a long time! This is a must see! He actually clearly starts reading the names of his company or companies off of a list of paper that is off screen! I mean this dude is clearly an actor, if he really knew all these people up there, don't you think there would be some hint of concern in his voice? On any of their voices really? He looks more like hes trying not to laugh.