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The Tropical Zodiac used by the West was NOT adjusted for Precession. IAU zodiac is used by those who follow "Walter Berg" astrology & the 13 signs. It appears he wrote as least one book on this, but I do not have anymore info on this at this time. The Sidereal Zodiac used by astrologers is SYMBOLIC and does NOT pretend to align perfectly with the constellations. ALL forms of astrology use correct astronomical info, but the ZODIACAL GRID used to see this data varies. Astrology is the "Sacred Art" of reading MEANING in the stars. With all due respect, Leo/Virgo discovered a few years ago that the Tropical Zodiac does NOT align with the constellations and has tried to "shout this from the rooftop." All well and good, the more people who know this the better, I do not use the Tropical. Unfortunately, Leo/Virgo is NOT an astrologer -- which is quickly apparent when you look at her thread "energies of the cosmos" -- and the info Leo/Virgo is throwing out is merely raw astronomical data. One of the most basic errors that is apparent in the Leo/Virgo thread is that L/V does NOT ask for birth place or birth time. These are ESSENTIAL pieces of info needed to erect a chart BECAUSE the chart is a picture of the sky taken the MOMENT you are born from the PLACE you are born. The MOST IMPORTANT signs are missing: the degree of the Ascendant (Rising Sign) and the Moon Sign. Both are MORE IMPORTANT than the Sun Sign. I started my ATS thread in an attempt to clear this up:
Originally posted by coyotepoet
reply to post by SeaWind
Thanks for the clarity. Astrology isn't something that I've spent a lot of time studying. However, as things go I always read four horoscopes which usually fit: I've got Gemini rising and a Leo sun sign so I always read those. Currently I am a progressed Virgo so I pay attention to that, and the Human Design System (interesting in itself) has a slightly different take on plantary influence timing and has me as a Cancer. I generally find something of value in all of them.
This is really funny. You do not seem to realize that the zodiac used by the International Astronomical Union (IAU) is just as "imaginary" as the zodiacs used by the astrologers. “The Zodiac is an imaginary belt of the Sun's apparent path in the sky. Imaginary divisions of the zodiac represent, in astronomy, constellations, and in astrology, signs.”
Dating back to the time when there was no clear distinction between astronomy and astrology, the zodiac is traditionally thought of as comprising a certain set of constellations. The constellations of both zodiacs are shown in the table below, including Ophiuchus, which was added to the astronomical zodiac by the International Astronomical Union in 1930 when it based its zodiac on the 1875 equinox.
I have posted a number of times, all zodiacs are symbolic. The symbolic meaning of the signs grew out of observation of astronomical phenomena over a long period of time. The beginning & ending of an astronomical constellation is EVEN MORE arbitrary than the beginning & ending of an astrological sign (which is based on meaning accrued over time).
As I've posted to you before, you're welcome to create your own astrology. Some might recommend learning established Astrology before inventing one's own.
The demarcations of the constellations used by the IAU are as "imaginary" as the demarcations of the astrological signs. When you look up into the sky, do you see demarcations? Neither did the astronomers in 1930 when they decided to use the 1875 EQUINOX as a marker. It is arbitrary (as in depending on judgment, not fixed). In fact, the Sidereal Zodiac is more constant because they use fixed stars as an anchor.
Of course, you would have to know how to give readings first. One of the original purposes of astronomy/astrology was PREDICTION.
Considering that “By the time of Ptolemy the zodiac was already at least two thousand years old” and "The concept of the zodiac was originated by the Babylonians certainly before 2000 BC as a method of visualizing the passage of time" --- I would say that their interpretation of astronomical phenomena had a VERY LONG period of observation.
Originally posted by reddsite
reply to post by reddsite
anyway i dont believe zodiac changes unless sun totaly crosses paths or sun of that seson changes to nother sign so i believe old zodiac still good for long time, or aries makes it to second house
Originally posted by Hemisphere
reply to post by RizeorDie
From what I've seen you are now a Virgo!
Here's the new breakdown:
Capricorn: Jan. 20-Feb. 16
Aquarius: Feb. 16-March 11
Pisces: March 11-April 18
Aries: April 18-May 13
Taurus: May 13-June 21
Gemini: June 21-July 20
Cancer: July 20-Aug. 10
Leo: Aug. 10-Sept. 16
Virgo: Sept. 16-Oct. 30
Libra: Oct. 30-Nov. 23
Scorpio: Nov. 23-Nov. 29
Ophiuchus: Nov. 29-Dec. 17
Sagittarius: Dec. 17-Jan. 20
Originally posted by Allred5923
Archeologists have found Mammoth tusks with the phases of the moon inscribed on them as early as 10K B.C., what would possess them to have want to record such events if they weren't somehow intellectually inclined to do so?
As for the beginning of "Astrology" it is ironic it would have to be recorded by the Hindus some 5-6K years ago as a reference of celestial prominence, and their perceptions of events that were taking place, this, as a matter of speaking of the so called myth's of Ancient people, "A time when the 'Gods were battling in the skies with one another", this was known as the Ancient Mahabharata,which was depicted as in Vimana or flying vehicles, this was quite an event to lucidly explain, not to mention the countless written examples given during this event by individuals from all walks of life.
And one more thing "Have you ever read any of the Ancient Alien theory books or their possible relationships to not one but all religions and belief systems?
Heres a link to the Mahabharata thesis explanation, be warned it is a long read, and sorry, it is only available in PDF format, you might have to cut and paste if it doesn't direct link:
Originally posted by Jedite
On the plus side from what I've been looking at, and what I read on another post in here, it only effects people born after 2009. So if you all were born before that which I'm sure you were, we'll be okay.
Originally posted by kalisdad
Originally posted by Muaythai92
You guys unless you were born this year your still your sign. The moment you were born the sun and moon were in a certain spot this new constellation doesn't affect our past it only affects the present.
this is what they tell you, but it is not true...
use Stellarium and go see what astrological sign the sun is in on your date of birth...
according to my birthdate, I am a Leo, but using Stellarium, I can clearly see that the sun is in Cancer on the day I was born
I had to go back to the year 100AD(roughly) to actually see the sun rising in Leo on the month and day I was born.
the fact is, our modern astrology was fixed a long time ago and has been inaccurate ever since.
Originally posted by Alethea
Something I found very interesting in the video presented on page 1, posted by Who's Ready, is that the narrator keeps calling the bird symbol an eagle, but clearly, it is not. At 4:09 to 4:16 take a good look at the bird image. It appears to me to be the symbol of the Phoenix.
Could there be some correlation between the appearance of the 13th zodiac sign and the Phoenix?
The Phoenicians called themselves "sons of the Phoenix". The Phoenicians were Canaanites. The word Canaan means "trader or merchant". The legend goes that the sons of the Phoenix were immortal and were able to rise again no matter how many times they were destroyed.
Could there be some correlation between Moses' snake on a pole and Ophiuchus?
Originally posted by kalisdad
reply to post by belowabovetopsecret
according to the Ptolemy fixed astrology of the past 2000 years, you are in fact still a scorpio