reply to post by SeaWind
The Tropical Zodiac used by the West was NOT adjusted for Precession. IAU zodiac is used by those who follow "Walter Berg" astrology & the 13 signs.
It appears he wrote as least one book on this, but I do not have anymore info on this at this time. The Sidereal Zodiac used by astrologers is
SYMBOLIC and does NOT pretend to align perfectly with the constellations. ALL forms of astrology use correct astronomical info, but the ZODIACAL GRID
used to see this data varies. Astrology is the "Sacred Art" of reading MEANING in the stars. With all due respect, Leo/Virgo discovered a few years
ago that the Tropical Zodiac does NOT align with the constellations and has tried to "shout this from the rooftop." All well and good, the more people
who know this the better, I do not use the Tropical. Unfortunately, Leo/Virgo is NOT an astrologer -- which is quickly apparent when you look at her
thread "energies of the cosmos" -- and the info Leo/Virgo is throwing out is merely raw astronomical data. One of the most basic errors that is
apparent in the Leo/Virgo thread is that L/V does NOT ask for birth place or birth time. These are ESSENTIAL pieces of info needed to erect a chart
BECAUSE the chart is a picture of the sky taken the MOMENT you are born from the PLACE you are born. The MOST IMPORTANT signs are missing: the degree
of the Ascendant (Rising Sign) and the Moon Sign. Both are MORE IMPORTANT than the Sun Sign. I started my ATS thread in an attempt to clear this
I really hate to call you out on this...but you called me out first.
First off....tropical astrology has no basis what so ever. It makes absolutely no sense to have imaginary segments in the sky and have those be fixed.
Your sidereal, is based on tropical...its just moved a bit respecting precession.
I dont know of Walter Berg.
I discovered what I know...through my own observations. Not only observations of the sky...but my life. As I watched Mars conjunct Regulus, my 'real
solar sign' that I had just discovered....I had a premonition of sorts that someone important was going to die. A couple weeks later, on that summer
solstice of 2008...I sat by my mothers bedside while her kidneys began to fail her. She had the most other worldly experience for 9 hours...it really
is one of the most detailed near death experiences ever. I even had a time slip of my age for about 2 months. The event, shook my world...and I still
did not have faith enough to see it all for what it really was. Through further observations as well as her telling me things during her experience,
of being told to tell me to keep watching my stars....I explored this thought further about the observing the 'real sky'. The observer...makes all the
difference in the behavior of energy. I didnt just jump up and down at the whole fact that Astrology IS NOT PRACTICED TODAY AS IT ONCE WAS.....but I
myself, experienced the effects of true observations.
Astronomy and Astrology used to go hand in hand. No one can deny this. The true practice of 'reading the spheres' or energy of the spheres was through
TRUE OBSERVATION and NOT imaginary segments of the sky. If the ancients saw the Moon in Virgo....that position is what they used. If they saw Mars in
Leo....this is what they used for 'seeing the energy'. TRUE OBSERVATION....
Your sidereal...is based off of a imaginary wheel.
With time...man wants to 'make things their own'...make things easier...and this is not always the best thing to do.
The reason the tropical signs are given their space....is due to the 'time' when this zodiac wheel was 'fixed' for during that time...Aries fell on
Spring Equinox...ect ect. All of this is a modern day creation and is not how the ancients who started this whole astrology practice...used the sky
I dont think its hard to look at a thread with over 100 stars...and say its a mess that needs fixed. You feel it needs fixed because it goes against
the way you have used the art. Similar, there are articles saying this effects no one till after 2009 or 20011 or whatever. There is absolutely no
basis for those dates at all.
People dont like change....but you know what....we are the ones that changed the original way and took the practice of observing energy away from
observing the real sky.
I know the power of all of this...through stepping out every night and observing the Universe, and the spheres. I know the worth of observing a new
silver crescent moon in the sky after its time of being 'dark moon'....I know the worth of observing Saturn in the sky...and Mars, and watching Venus
go from morning star to night and back to morning. I know there is strong energy of the part of the sky that is in the general direction of the
galactic center and the anti galactic center. I claim that I am a amateur in such things...but at least I really observe them myself, at least I step
out and meditate with the spheres.
Its no happenstance that the media brings all of this attention about Ophiuchus...something that has been highly ignored no matter what you claim that
it has not....while Venus sits in Ophiuchus. We can observe this for ourselves...we can face Venus and face the direction of Ophiuchus. Soon...Venus
will cross over the direction to the center of our galaxy...this will also, be of no happenstance for this time and the information that comes forth
to the many.
We are one with this universe...the way astrology began...was entwined with astronomy. True Observation...of the Spheres and the Universe with them.
To me, its not about giving readings...its not about predictions...its about finding yourself amongst a much larger 'be-ing' with is everything.
Knowing your place, amongst the Universe, the planet, mankind, the man made constellations, the spheres, all life. Its about realigning your inner
compass....to what really surrounds you.
Im not trying and my thread did not try to 'add to any existing modern day practice' of the stars. I went through some strange synchronicity...and it
took alot of things to prepare me for where those experiences were going to take me and lead me.
What would I be...to not follow where the compass leads me? What would I be...to keep following another man and what they keep telling me? Would I be
true to myself, to keep what I experienced and discovered, to myself?
Lets just go ahead and hit this all in the head of the nail....for there is a much deeper path then what you or I could give anyone with 'one
sign'....we are of all the signs...some hold things we have already learned, some hold things we refuse to face and work on. Look at them all...if
your brave enough and ready enough...we will all stop making excuses on why we cant change, why we cant better ourselves, why we have anger in our
personality, why we have short circuits...
The stars, are a very small stepping stone...in finding purpose in ones path. Some need those stepping stones to take them further till they can find
that place in life where they can stand on their own, find the path less traveled....and seek alone, for themselves, what truth is. This...I did. And
I only share..what I found. Not only in the observable sky....but in many other ways have I shared any thing I learn.
God forbid I dont follow the footsteps modern man has made...right? Well...through true observations...I discovered, the way man practices the art of
reading the stars today...was not how man of old did it anyways.
Its funny that people assume....I must be following a path that another man has laid before me. Its funny I think, that as I walked my own
path....many seem to also get resonation from it. I never expected that thread to get so many replies....but obviously....people like it.
Any practice of inner growth...should not be where another man is told by another man...what they life means, what their future holds. I find this a
new blunder by mankind...with horoscopes ect. As we all step out on that alone path and observe the cosmos.....the cosmos, observes you back. There is
nothing more powerful and humbling. Im trying to get man to step back out, observe for themselves, meditate on a alone path...and be brave enough to
find the confidence within their own self to find their path.
Its about harmony and finding your place in that harmony and bringing that harmony into your life. You dont have to agree with they way my path has
transpired and observation of the sky has effected that path...but I would never come on here...see something I disagree with (like your sidereal
ways) and say things about it like you have done to me. In fact...I thanked your for your time that you are offering to others.
And you are right... I could of offered alot more by taking the place of ones birth to look at the ascending signs. I was only offering a general
start for others...to seek things for themselves. I agree that at the time and place of ones birth...the sign on the east horizon has a impact....as
well as the sign on the west. I was not out to do readings or offer someone all the things possible. I was out to simple offer positions of the
spheres, at ones birth. I think I made this intent...very clear throughout the thread.
Its a shame you felt the need to attack...my intentions are not of ill will. I would not come forth offering something if I myself, had not found
worth in it. And the information I give...is not rare data...I can give it down to the degree. What I give is precisely what can be found in the sky,
at ones birth.
My best to you
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