Head to the hills.......... what?, page 21
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reply posted on 10-1-2011 @ 12:53 AM by Jinglelord
reply to post by mike184ever



Because an explosive tipped arrow and a bada$$ headband really will allow you to destroy any opposition singlehandedly.

I know you're mostly joking about the movie addiction but you're absolutely right that the movies everyone has seen a million times completely color what we think will happen when reality will most likely be a dulled down, boring, and much less glamorous version of the video games and movies that are leading people to believe they are awesome and really could survive more than a few hours in the world they are imagining.


reply posted on 11-1-2011 @ 10:32 PM by mike184ever
reply to post by Jinglelord



thanks for seeing my humor and reality...From the Cinima standpoint every author/director has the camera on a bleak and hopeless land so so empty....City and country folks both will have their hands full in any given Apocalyptic scenario. Nobody on the thread mentioned tooth care as critical to survival. How many of us here on this thread know they can extract a tooth without breaking it off upon extraction...How many know they can deal with Isolation,the worst enemy of the mountain man. Seriously how many days can you stand off from a secluded cabin deep in the hills and not make contact, not knowing how your presence will be received. People have this weird idea in there heads that it will be glory days,,, no more taxes and the only people in my face, well I can just shoot them,right? Well wrong.If people loose their humanity through the course of any event they are no better than a wild animal.

It is my opinion that we here on these pages learned that humans through the course of an Apocalyptic scenario must not give up on humanity.

It is also my opinion that I can steal the eggs out of SeenMyShare's henhouse any time I like and leave her with that "Fresh Clucked" look on her face

Lastly my opinion is that sitting around the coffee table cleaning weapons dont make you ready for a nuclear winter



reply posted on 11-1-2011 @ 11:39 PM by mrpotatohead
Originally posted by Dachende
reply to
post by SeenMyShare



It is this moronic type of thinking that will probably get us into trouble in the first place.


I know for sure, I'll be opening my doors when TSHTF to anyone who needs it.



I think it's your type of thinking that will get your family killed. I personally feel I've done my moral duty to tell people what I think is coming. After getting nothing but ridicule, my "spreading the message" days are over. I will help my neighbors on each side of me, as their safety is to my benefit, and my family members. But others are on their own.. I have seen enough of the bad side of human nature in my life to have a realistic view of what people turn into when facing hard times. if you want to turn your home into an aid center, and help all the idiots who were too stupid to see the handwritting on the wall---go ahead. I'll feed my family, and help my closest neighbors, and call it good.
I would encourage anyone, before they want to go Mother Teresa in an economic chaos situation, better do some research, and find out what people turn into when they get hungry. It's your call.


reply posted on 17-1-2011 @ 02:23 AM by freya27
reply to post by SeenMyShare



people in a panic will not be thinking about anyone but themselves and their immediate family if even that some people are just that selfish. I live in the city but am lucky to have a farming family, so I know where I will end up. And I agree as someone who knows the minds of country folk, ignorant invaders who have no clue how to survive without a cell phone and god forbid having to forage for food instead of just going to a store are not going to survive. Although if you have goods to trade with those already in the "hills" you may be welcome or shot for what you have on you.


reply posted on 17-1-2011 @ 06:08 AM by SeenMyShare
reply to post by TheLoneArcher

Watch out Lone Archer, I said that those wishing to integrate were required to pull their weight and was accused of promoting slavery. Personally, I don't think one person could farm enough on their own to feed a multitude, but that's just me. Call me lazy and selfish because I won't do all the work to feed 100 people nor supply the seeds to those people who were not willing to earn them. On a case by case basis those integrating will be evaluated. If they are able they must help and if they are not able they will be cared for, but the ratio of those working to those who are not must by necessity be higher.

Good plan for your community!


reply posted on 17-1-2011 @ 07:31 PM by manta78
reply to post by SeenMyShare



Yes but won't they still have to know the ATS handshake or at the least have an ATS t-shirt to be
recognized as a "friendly" by you?
edit on 17-1-2011 by manta78 because: (no reason given)



reply posted on 21-1-2011 @ 05:48 AM by DragonSpirit2
reply to post by SeenMyShare



I really see your point about protecting your land and not allowing squatters etc.....My parents are the same kind of people. "We already have land and family is all we're having on it if TSHTF." It's just their attitude like it doesn't matter if we have close friends staying with us at the time we're just supposed to say - Sorry you didn't prepare for this my parents will shoot you if I bring you out there. That's horrible if I had my own land I would say sticking together is the best way to survive possible a larger group could deter a larger threat if it ever came knocking as well as could do more work in a more efficient and faster way than a small group. Just a point...


reply posted on 21-1-2011 @ 07:18 AM by SeenMyShare
reply to post by DragonSpirit2

It isn't that others would not be welcomed. Its that there is just so many people the land can feed and without modern equipment the work is back breaking. One person or even a few could not sustain a large group without the large group chipping in to help. If they camp out on the growing land there is less to be grown. The best one could hope for is to feed 8 people per acre per year. Considering the conditions I'd realistically put that down to 4 or 5 per acre per year. Even so that's a lot of work. If one has five acres of workable land available that realistically will feed 20 - 25 people a year. Can you imagine hand working five acres with just two or three people? I can't. Yes, more people are needed but also those people need to be willing to pull their own weight.

One more thing. How much seed is put back? Enough to grow for a community and plant extra for the next year's seed? It only goes so far. Its nice to say you'd help all who came, but how far can that go? Do any of you keep enough seed to feed 20, 50, 100 or more people? We don't.



reply posted on 21-1-2011 @ 07:36 AM by SeenMyShare
This might help a lot of people in their planning:

How Many Vegetable Seeds are in an Ounce? How Many Plants are Needed to Feed a Family of Four?

Isn't it annoying when seed companies list their inventory in ounces instead of seed numbers? And why is it so difficult to figure out how much to grow? Here's a list of ounce to seed number equivalency and how much to grow to feed a family of four.


The plant numbers given are the "thin to X inches apart" number. Not the original number needed to plant. For space you need to figure how far apart the plants need to be and how far apart the rows need to be. Then factor in how many people you plan to help and multiply your results by that number.

Here's another source:
How Much to Plant Per Person in the Vegetable Garden

To grow all the food for one person's needs for the whole year requires, for most people, at least 4,000 square feet—though some diet designs are possible that can use a smaller area.


Now, picture people tromping through or camping on the available planting ground. For an easy "resting" spot they ruin their own and other's food supply. Even if the person growing had enough seed or crops to spare it could so quickly be reduced to nothing for that year.
edit on 21/1/2011 by SeenMyShare because: Edited to add another link.


Edited to add one more thing. All of the above estimates for space and produce do not include planting the extra that is NOT eaten for seeds for the following year. It does not include the grains which take up extraordinary amounts of space to have a decent harvest that will last until the following year's harvest. It takes about two bushels of wheat to plan an acre and the harvest is roughly 40 bushels an acre if you're lucky. A bushel of wheat will make approximately 90 1lb loaves. Source - Wheat Facts That's not counting any grain grown to feed livestock, or to save seed for the following year.
edit on 21/1/2011 by SeenMyShare because: Edited to add more information.



reply posted on 28-6-2011 @ 11:20 PM by mwood
Originally posted by SeenMyShare
I'm simply amazed at the number of people who would kill to protect their bug out bag who think that people like me who already live on the land should just roll over and let you take my family's and neighbors' food and supplies!!




I agree with what your saying fully.

The problem is you will never be able to explain your position to most people who refuse to prep or live a self sufficient lifestyle. They have spent their entire lives on the tit of someone who provides all they think they are entitled to.

They will all talk about what they want but very, very few are actually willing to work towards it. If someone won't give it to them then they will take it from those who cared enough to think ahead and plan.

I am in the same boat you are but I quit preaching to people long ago.

One thing those people don't think about is that I am not an island. I am not out here all alone with my poor little land to protect. I live among many people who feel as I do and to even get to my land you have to venture across many other plots of land.

Most likely if your causing trouble of taking what isn't yours you won't even make it to my property.

Everybody here has very large gardens, animals, guard dogs, firearms and are more than willing to protect whats theirs.

It's not as simple as picking on one land owner and over powering and taking what you want. Be prepared to take on a whole country side. If anything bad happened like a raid or gun play around here there are about 40-50 people who would come running and be heavily armed to assist. (as I would for them)


reply posted on 29-6-2011 @ 11:48 AM by Mindsmog
reply to post by SeenMyShare



Its ok youll be waiting a LOOOONG TIME for the STHTF , i got news for you mate , in another 20 years we will all be still talking about the impending doom that almost always NEVER arrives. enjoy your countryside ^^ coz youll have it to yourself for a lot longer.
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