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To suggest that the Chinese are incapable of hiding such an event is a gross underestimation of an administration which so recently and so effectively hid the J-10 aircraft from even the most prying of eyes.
Originally posted by tommyjo
reply to post by Daedalus3
It was information based on the following.
It is confirmed that Chengdu air space will be closed from 1300-1500 Local (0500-0800 UTC)
You don't issue a NOTAM, close the nearby International Airport, and launch a J-10/J-11 on patrol for nothing. Not to mention flying in VIPs on Government Boeing 737s. According to the Chinese forums the VIP Boeing 737s left long after the NOTAM ended. If it was in force just to protect the VIPs then it would have been extended accordingly.
*PLAAF 33th Air Division just launched J-10 and J-11 fighters from Chongqing to clear the air space above and near Chengdu. *Chengdu Shuangliu International airport (CTU) shut down 13:00 to 15:00 local time.
You also don't set up a TV camera on the far side of the airfield to record nothing. The info was being relayed from spectators at the perimeter of the airfield.
The official camera guy (in the picture I posted two pages ago) stationed at end of the runway, is walking slowly to his pre-setup video tripod.
Security were also moving people on and making broadcast to them over the public announcement systems set up.
This process will likely be repeated next week if the weather is more favourable? Even the fence watchers at Chengdu on Friday were reporting that theweather wasn't the best.
You are failing to understand that this is nothing new at Chengdu. I would go with your 'Unless number 1' theory. The Chinese are confident that they can pull off a first flight in front of VIPs and spectator alike.
People outside Chengdu were taking images of J-10 and J-11 and other newly developed aircraft dating all the way back to the late 1990s. The prototype J-10 images taxiing and flying were filmed by spectators outside Chengdu. Airfield is on the edge of a city with a population of 5 million.
Yes the Chinese if they wanted to could build them at Chengdu and ship them out to places in the desert such as Dingxin. They don't. They build them at Chengdu and prototype test fly them at that base. It is no different to what they have done in the past with all their other newly developed aircraft. Even back in the J-10 days people outside the perimeter were reporting J-10 first flight in front of VIPs on the airfield.
Many of the better quality images of the J-10 and other aircraft on test were taken during the landing and take off phase with good quality DSLR and telephoto lens away from the immediate perimeter fence and security. There are no photography signs all round the base, but the security tend to tolerate small cameras and camera phones. It is reported on the Chinese forums that they crack down hard on DSLRs with large telephoto lenses on the perimeter with people reportedly having them confiscated.
Things have changed in China. It took them some 7 years to officially announce the J-10. With this new aircraft (J-20) they even allowed the Deputy Air Force Commander to talk on state controlled TV during 2009 of the intentions to test fly and develop this aircraft. This would have been unheard of some ten years ago.
So, in summary I see nothing out of the ordinary here and they are confident of a test flight from Chengdu. The process, as seen on Friday, will likely be exactly the same next week at Chengdu if the forecast is better.
The US Navy F/A-18E/F Super Hornet is outclassed in every respect, and would be as ineffective against a mature J-XX [J-20] as it is against the F-22A Raptor.
All US Air Force, US Navy and allied legacy fighters are outclassed in much the same manner, and are ineffective kinematically and in sensor capability against this class of threat system.
All variants of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter would be equally so outclassed, assuming this failed project even progresses to any kind of actual production.
Originally posted by EdWard54
IMHO I dont care whether China has such aircraft or not...I'll bet my american drone against any fighter on any given sunday.
Originally posted by jerico65
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Here's an American-made drone in a dog fight with a MiG-29 over Georgia. Guess who wins
Yeah, because that drone was a really wily opponent for that MiG-29.
Here's a good article by the guys at AusAirPower.net (kudos to member Vitchilo for this, who posted it in his North Korea thread). It's a pretty good read and is generally right about assessing the J-20 as a long-range fighter that can cover most of Asia and even target US bases at Okinawa and Guam. It also goes on to explain how the J-20 will be produced around 2015, before the F-35 and how it also does not feature a lot of the design flaws that the F-35 has.
On top of all this, the report theorizes that the J-20 will be a more effective anti-carrier weapon than ballistic missiles like the DF-21.
Please show me a working, production drone that can engage in combat with a 3rd generation fighter, let alone 4th or 5th. American ambitions for drone capabilities are far from the reality. They will not replace combat pilots. At best, in the next 30 years and for the 6th fighter generation, drones will act as escort support for fighters.