Chavez the socialist Dictator to "rule by Emergency Decree" for 18 months.

Originally posted by Zamini
Again with the speaking Spanish bullcrap. It is insulting of you to assume that I cannot comprehend the language.

Ahora tu entiendes Español? Dale, escribe a ver cuanto tu entiendes español. Si tu entiendes Español tan bien, entonces mira el video donde Chavez dice claramente que el no va a dejar su posicion de presidente y no importa cuanta gente lo quieren echar.

Ponte a ver los videos de los VENEZOLANOS que claramente dicen lo que en verdad esta pasando en Venezuela...

Originally posted by Zamini
But besides that point, you keep on posting PRO-US SOURCES. IF YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND what the US has done to the Venezueland population and nation you might as well delete your account fromt his site, you are not convincing anyone other than the people already indoctrinated by US propaganda. It's that simple, no matter how good you are at Spanish

So posting videos FROM VENEZUELANS AND SHOWING THE MASSIVE PROTESTS AGAINST CHAVEZ are all "pro-US sources"... Nice try...

Again WHERE IS YOUR PROOF that these sources, most which are from VENEZUELA, are being paid to claim these things?...

You sir are nothing more than another leftist foreigner who doesn't know what the hell you are talking about, hence you have to claim every source that shows your claims are BS "are the work of paid U.S. officials..."

Don't tell me, you heard Chavez claim this and that is your source....

Don't talk about ignorance when obviously you are reaking ignorance through every pore...

Originally posted by Zamini
Besides, I bet you haven't watched the video I posted, your attention span is probably too short thanks to all the gameshows and idols/x-factor you've been feeding your brain, but I guess, that is what you equate to freedom is it not?

That video has been shown by other "foreigner chavistas" in the past, and it has been shown time and again by FACTS that the chavistas are the ones lying, harrassing anyone who would dare speak against Chavez, "the new God"...

Even Human Right groups clearly state things have only gotten worse in Venezuela since Chavez...

Originally posted by Zamini
So you don't have proof for the claims you are making of millions protesting? How convenient.

Propaganda spotted and shot down. Next please.

Edit: I did a little search regarding your statement and I cannot find a credible source. Only opiniated articles.

YOU are the one with no proof with your claim "Reuters is forced to write what they write about Chavez."

There is PLENTY of proof that shows millions of Venezuelans are against Chavez, and I have to wonder about the photos of what appear to be hundreds of thousands of chavistas in some photos when the chavistas can only muster a few hundred, or maybe a couple thousand of chavistas to counter the massive protests of anti-chavistas.

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Here is the video in a futbol/football/soccer stadium in Venezuela where the people started yelling, it's kind of hard to translate since literaly it's like saying "1,2,3 Chavez is a blown out tire" in Spanish you only need to say "1,2,3 Chavez esta ponchao/ponchado"

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Compare those with for example this video which a chavista made showing how many chavistas went to close the streets and stop the oposition against chavez. That's of course not showing what the military did to close the streets and try to stop the anti-Chavez march.

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reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Thanks electric universe you along with many other people have spoken out and proven the Chavez lovers wrong. Trust me when I say this I have come to the conclusion that you will never provide enough proof for the crazy people that believe that these people mean no good. They are the ignorant ones as is evidenced by their lack of being able to hold up an argument against you, keep up the good work and thanks for some of the info I wasn't aware of. I'd be willing to bet they support che and the other pieces of ........... in this world.

reply to post by jaynkeel


Thanks for your response, and the words of support. It is good to know that the truth at least reaches some people.

For several years now other members and myself have been trying to show the truth about Chavez, and the Chavistas.

There were independent international studies, and they were not made by any U.S. agency, that have also shown the claims of Chavez, and his international supporters, that "Chavez has educated poor people" was nothing more than a lie.

I posted those links years ago, as soon as I find them again I will post them here.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Here is the video in a futbol/football/soccer stadium in Venezuela where the people started yelling, it's kind of hard to translate since literaly it's like saying "1,2,3 Chavez is a blown out tire" in Spanish you only need to say "1,2,3 Chavez esta ponchao/ponchado"

Becaus we all know that football supporters are politically aware people.

Besides, I would warn you to learn from history. Take a look at the Iranian revolution and how the population was swayed into going against their own leader only to regret it decades later. The same WILL happen to Venezuela.

Furthermore it is ironic of you to call me a foreigner to Venezuela as you are one yourself too. But oh well, that is how the game of deflection works. Carry on (until you bite yourself in the rear).

BTW, anyone remembers the old saying "a picture is worth a thousand words"?

I wonder what the members who claim there is a "non-existant oposition to Chavez that is being faked by the U.S." have to say about the videos and photos that show the extent of the Venezuelan oposition that have marched in the streets of Caracas, and other cities in Venezuela, such as this photo.

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Originally posted by Zamini

Becaus we all know that football supporters are politically aware people.

... excuses, excuses.. oh and btw, are poor campesinos/farmers "politically aware people"?...

The only reason why Chavez won was because he brainwashed the poor, uneducated campesinos/farmers... Many people who voted for Chavez changed their minds when they saw the real changes this "socialist dictator" brought to Venezuela...

Originally posted by Zamini
Besides, I would warn you to learn from history. Take a look at the Iranian revolution and how the population was swayed into going against their own leader only to regret it decades later. The same WILL happen to Venezuela.

No, it would do YOU good to learn the history of Cuba, because after all Chavez himself has stated that Venezuela should follow the Cuban socialist model, and Chavez has stated that castro has been his teacher, and best friend...

Home » Issue 14: August 2009
Venezuela and Cuba: one revolution
By Marce Cameron

A few years ago it might have appeared that the process of radical social change underway in Venezuela had little in common with the socialist revolutions of the 20th century, including that paradigm of Latin American people’s power revolutions, the Cuban Revolution. Today, it’s clear that the Venezuelan revolution led by President Hugo Chavez is following closely in the footsteps of the Cuban Revolution. As Chavez himself said last year during a visit to Havana, Venezuela and Cuba are undergoing “one and the same revolution”.
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Originally posted by Zamini
Furthermore it is ironic of you to call me a foreigner to Venezuela as you are one yourself too. But oh well, that is how the game of deflection works. Carry on (until you bite yourself in the rear).

I speak the language, I have studied and worked with Venezuelans plus i have lived the "socialist Cuban model" that Chavez has said he wants for Venezuela...

So let's see, would i know a bit more than a leftist foreigner who has never in his life lived the "Cuban socialist model" that Chavez has said he has been introducing and wants for Venezuela?... I'll let you mull over this question and let's see what your response will be...

reply to post by Zamini


You're so brainwashed it's funny as well as sad. You're so anti-corporation that you'd support a dictatorship. I was born and raised near Venezuela, and I can tell you Chavez is not good news. Keep supporting him until you realize what he'd really about.

reply to post by 547000


You see, the difference between me and you is, I never said I support any regime or government. I look at what happens and comment on it. When I see a poster say stuff from only one perspective, I comment with the other perspective. You know, discern, learn and move on.

However,

You people are defending governments and regimes.

And I'm the brainwashed one...

Originally posted by Zamini
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However,

You people are defending governments and regimes.

And I'm the brainwashed one...:lol

So you weren't defending to death Chavez, and his chavistas and claiming there weren't millions of Venezuelans who have been demonstrating despite the fact that we have photos and videos showing in total millions gathering together in groups of hundreds of thousands in different parts of Venezuela?...

We even have the list for referendum in which if I remember correctly 2.9 million signatures were gathered in a couple of days in Caracas or so when they only needed 2.4 million signatures for a referendum as per the Venezuelan Constitution, yet you want to claim there aren't millions of Venezuelans against Chavez?...

Not to mention that you kept claiming every source I provided were "paid for by the U.S", without providing ANY EVIDENCE for your pretentious claims, when the majority of them are from Venezuelans sources and show there are many Venezuelans who disagree with brainwashed leftist westerners like yourself...

Sir, if anyone is brainwashed it is obviously you...

Chill out people.I am Venezuelan and i will offer some opinions.
I am anti-chavez. He says something and does the contrary.
He has sold the country to Iran,Belarus,Russia and China.
And he talks about sovereignty and the fatherland. Bull crap.He is notmore nationalists than a bucket.
Hes taken over all institutions.Including the new assembly we voted on on september 26th. It was going to start as legislating as of january 5th 2011,but the old,chavista run assembly allowed him to rule by decree,even above the NEW assembly,who would legally have to vote for his enabling law to keep going. Communes? No more mayors and governors? Over 1000 expropiated bussinesses and industries? we have a flooding crisis here,people have lost homes,yet he took over SIDOR and CEMEX a metallurgic and cement industries(biggest) respectively.Also,taxes will be raised to take care of the homeless people, but we sell petrol to china at 5$(and they re-sell it btw),and the oil barrel is about 80-90$. We SHOULD have the funds to take over projects. But we dont even have steel bars and cement,that are state run companies, to build houses. Add to that the internet censorship, the new assembly that can't legislate and political prisoners,owning all state insitutions and organisms and a new repressive National Bolivarian Police.

But hey,watch the news,keep falling for the propagandistic populist agenda of his.
Keep believing he's doing it all for "the pueblo".
12 years of doing nothing. Dictator to the bone baby.A light one that is.

reply to post by metodex


Thanks for your input on the situation in Venezuela.

Some of us know that things there are not what the liberal media claims it is, more so when Chavez himself has stated that Venezuela and Cuba are following the same socialist road which is as a communist dictatorship. But of course leftist westerners would want to claim the contrary...