Chavez the socialist Dictator to "rule by Emergency Decree" for 18 months.

Some other members and myself were warning members some years back that Chavez was taking Venezuela through the same proceedings as castro took Cuba, in summary that Chavez is another socialist dictator.

Pretty much everyone in the left claimed "we have to wait to see if this is true" despite the evidence, and Chavez's own words that castro was his mentor and friend. Many in the left even rallied behind Chavez despite the fact that he even set loose the military to take forced control over the capital as millions of protesters took to the streets.

Chavez even called for deadly force to be used against the people, I even gave a link to a recording, which a soldier recorded and posted online for evreyone to hear, how Chavez called for deadly force to be used against Venezuelans, and still most of the left around the world rallied behind him.

Now Chavez will rule for 18 more months by "emergency decree" and at the end of this time there will be another emergency decree and he will be the de facto dictator of Venezuela.

'Dictator' Chavez to rule by decree

Reuters

Wednesday, 15 December 2010

Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez has moved to bypass parliament and govern by decree for one year, prompting opposition charges that he was acting like a dictator.

Having used such powers three times during his 11-year rule, the Socialist leader says he needs them again to respond to a national emergency caused by floods that have left more than 130,000 homeless.

"He's winning time with the tragedy to put limits on the new National Assembly," said opposition politician Pastora Medina. "He is consolidating himself as a dictator, going above the [institutional powers] to govern."

A freshly united opposition coalition won about half the popular vote in a September parliamentary election to take 40 per cent of seats in a new National Assembly that will convene on 5 January, when they hoped to put a check on Mr Chavezs power.

But in a move to outflank them – and with an eye on the next presidential vote in 2012 – Mr Chavez yesterday asked the outgoing Assembly, dominated by his ruling Socialist Party, to grant him fast-track decree powers. He said the powers could extend for up to 18 months.

A leading opposition newspaper Tal Cual denounced the move – along with a package of laws being rushed through to entrench the President's "21st-century socialism" – as a "totalitarian ambush".

www.independent.co.uk...

But like always the left around the world is blind to socialist dictators...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Many in the left even rallied behind Chavez despite the fact that he even set loose the military to take forced control over the capital as millions of protesters took to the streets.

Could I ask you for proof of this? Besides, it is known that agencies like Reuters have their orders as to what to write about countries like Venezuela, so a less opiniated news article would be appreciated.

Edit: It is also known that foreign influences can sway the opinion of unknowing people inside a nation, Venezuela is a good example, but a better one is the Iranian revolution and more specifically the idea that the population had about Khomeini.

Besides that I could urge you to watch this neat documentary:

The revolution will not be televised:

Google Video Link

So what, it's is country, and his people. If the people don't like it, they can go ahead and end his Government. As I see it, they are much better off then being America's puppets, and having all their natural resources stolen from them...

But hey, like I say, live and let live...it's their country, they can do what they please.

you do know that corporations tried to fund a coup to take over Venezuela. They were successful until the people of Venezuela demanded their president back. that president being Chavez. since that happened, yes, he may be a little more forceful, but wouldnt you? half your government was bought out to take you out.. and the people backed you, so you must be loved.. sorry, I think Chavez is doing what is best for his country, and unless you live there, you shouldnt cry about it.

he is the peoples president for a reason.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


So you don't have proof for the claims you are making of millions protesting? How convenient.

Propaganda spotted and shot down. Next please.

Edit: I did a little search regarding your statement and I cannot find a credible source. Only opiniated articles.

Originally posted by CerBeRus666
So what, it's is country, and his people.

WRONG. :shk: Chavez doesn't own the country. Chavez doesn't own the people.
ANY dictatorship is against freedom and is against humanity. ANY dictatorship is dangerous.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Don't get caught up in semantics. The poster also says that if the population does not agree with the leader they can always take him down. Apparently, this is not the case. It is becoming painstakingly clear how twisted up certain peoples outlook on reality is. You are looking through the eyes of propaganda agencies. So much that you do not even bother to read into the reality of issues you discuss.

Originally posted by CerBeRus666
So what, it's is country, and his people. If the people don't like it, they can go ahead and end his Government. As I see it, they are much better off then being America's puppets, and having all their natural resources stolen from them...

But hey, like I say, live and let live...it's their country, they can do what they please.

Suppose the people did want to take him down and he didn't want to go down, and he had control of the military, police, etc--how exactly would they act on their wishes?

Originally posted by Zamini

Could I ask you for proof of this? Besides, it is known that agencies like Reuters have their orders as to what to write about countries like Venezuela, so a less opiniated news article would be appreciated.

...Could I ask YOU for PROOF that "agencies like Reuters have their orders as to what to write about countries like Venezuela"?...

I speak Spanish, in fact it is my primary language, i also know many Venezuelans because we trained, and worked together, and the people I talked to do not like Chavez.

You were not here because you are a new member. I am talking about years past since Chavez got into power. We had several threads, and videos showing that millions of Venezuelans have demonstrated against Chavez.

Here is one of the videos showing some of the people in one of the anti-Chavez protests in Venezuela.

www.youtube.com...

Chavez even claimed before he was elected that if the people asked him he would leave office, well more than enough votes from the people were collected for a referemdun and then he went on television saying NO ONE would make him leave the office of president.

The old members should remember this, and those who kept rallying behind Chavez know who they are.

The following video and commentary is in Spanish.
video.google.com...#

Chavez even went so far as to threaten ANY Venezuelan that would sign for him to resign that their signatures would be kept for the record. We know for a fact that many of the people who signed for Chavez to resign were forced to leave their jobs and were harrassed to no end by Chavistas, including when trying to do things like renewing their licenses, getting their passports, etc, etc.

Chavez, like EVERY "full blood socialist" is a dictator.

Venezuela press freedoms under threat: analysts

by Lissy De Abreu Lissy De Abreu – Tue Dec 21, 5:35 pm ET

CARACAS (AFP) – Fragile press freedoms in Venezuela are under threat after President Hugo Chavez cracked down on Internet content and gave the state greater control over broadcast media, analysts said Tuesday.

Venezuelas National Assembly banned on Monday Internet content that promotes social unrest, challenges authority or condones crime. The measures also expanded restrictions on radio, television and print media output.

The law was pushed through by Chavezs ruling Socialist Party just weeks before a new assembly -- in which pro-government entities lose their supermajority -- starts sitting on January 5.

The new measures, covering content from the Internet and electronic subscription services, make webpage managers "responsible for the information and content" published on their websites.

They aim to crack down on media content that "makes an apology of crime," "promotes unrest in the population" or "challenges legally established authorities."

The legislation increases fines for media violations to "10 percent of the previous year's gross income," in addition to "72 hours of continuous suspension of services."

For Gloria Cuenca, a communications expert at the Universidad Central de Venezuela, the measures encourage independent media "to self-censor themselves out of fear, and threatens the right of users to freely use the Internet."
...

news.yahoo.com...

Originally posted by Zamini
Edit: It is also known that foreign influences can sway the opinion of unknowing people inside a nation, Venezuela is a good example, but a better one is the Iranian revolution and more specifically the idea that the population had about Khomeini.

Riiight... so do you also want to claim like other members did in the past that the millions of Venezuelans who took to the streets to protest Chavez "are CIA agents"?....

Originally posted by Zamini

Besides that I could urge you to watch this neat documentary:

The revolution will not be televised:

... I didn't say there were/are no brainwashed Chavistas... I have posted videos showing how brainwashed these people are to the point that they see Chavez as God... like many in the left in the U.S. see Obama...

Chavez has been forcing tv stations in Venezuela which are critical of him to shut down or to conform and become chavista sheep...

I can show you photos and videos of the millions of Venezuelans who have been protesting against Chavez, and despite the lies from the left around the world you can even see that many of these people are also not "white rich people"...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/dcb9f9f4b911.jpg[/atsimg]

Opponents of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez demonstrate Monday in support of a TV station in Caracas that was removed from cable after not broadcasting the leaders speech.

Venezuelans protest removal of anti-Chavez TV


The left worldwide loves to ignore the dictators that spawn from truly socialist nations...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


You once again fail to post sources beyond the ones that propagate a US stance on the issue.

Therefore, you are arguing against yourself. Again you say millions of protestors and all I see is one street. Remember the protests in Iran where 3 million poured into the streets because it was THOUGHT that the elections were fraudulent? Just the thought alone pushed three million human beings onto streets in protest, regardless of proof, that is how much they value their own choice. I would guess, that in a country like Venezuela, where the population is educated on their rights even at local kiosks, if something fraudulent were to take place they would take to the streets. Lo and behold, they did, and they did it IN FAVOUR of Chavez!

You knowing Spanish means F all, you should read into geopolitical strategies and I bet you would smack your head against the wall for posting what you just did.

No amount of weaseling out or posting opiniated articles will save you from this one. STOP POSTING PROPAGANDA.

The left worldwide loves to ignore the dictators that spawn from truly socialist nations...

It is because of these left people you have the right to post freely on a forum so I find it HIGHLY insulting that you would turn around and bite the hand that feeds you. Besides that, I would like to congratulate you for outing your own right wing agenda for everyone to see. Enjoy living in ignorance until the day comes where you WILL be held responsible for the millions upon millions of people that you slander without blinking an eye.

reply to post by 547000


If you would bother to look at the video I posted you will see that Venezuela has BEEN through what you just posted and guess what? The Venezuelans CHOSE the side of Chavez, so it is retarded for you, as a foreigner, to claim that he will clamp down on opposition as you can see for yourself in the documentary, your allegations are nothing but baseless assumptions.

Enjoy living in ignorance until the day that you WILL be held reliable for the millions you slander.

reply to post by Zamini


Propaganda my behind, the only one spouting BS propaganda are people like you, and you OBVIOUSLY don't even understand Spanish... Typical leftwing BS...

I posted SEVERAL videos, and proof that the "propagandists' are people like you..

BTW, where in the world is your PROOF to the claim you made about Reuters?...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Look into history. Speaking Spanish is worth only so little when you CANNOT comprehend history.

A lot of Israelis speak Farsi, but they don't understand the way Iranians think, or what the agenda is of those who propagate a stance against Iranians.

A lot of people can speak Spanish but they won't understand how Venezuelans think, or what the agenda is of those who propagate a stance against Venezuelans.

Besides, reading comprehension, learning how to pick sources, learning what the difference is between a source that is based on ONE opiniated and payed for news agency...all things you should consider before defending the wealthy and #ing on the poor.

? There is a difference between the Executive Orders issued by Clinton/Bush/ Øbama and the 'decrees' by Chavez ??
the USA puppet presidents also issue 'Disaster' orders at the drop of a hat... and act extremely inept -> as in Katrina !


Chavez at least opens up the palacial estates, made for the Chief-Executive...to the public & homeless types...lets see NO-Bama keep away from a party... &/or then donate the place as a temporary shelter for the disadvantaged====> no way Jose', Michelle would have a fit

reply to post by Zamini


Please stop talking sensationalist chavista BS from a foreigner, that you are, that doesn't even speaks Spanish.

I gave several videos, and PROOF, not rhetorical nonsense like you did. I even gave several videos in Spanish of what VENEZUELANS are actually saying...

I even gave videos that show clearly Chavez saying "no one would make him leave the president office" after he claimed that if enough votes were gathered he would leave office...

That's what happens when you allow "leftist revolutionaries' and more so "militant leftist revolutionaries" to brainwash you about giving equal rights to all, making everyone equally rich, etc, etc...

Even SEVERAL Human Right groups have admitted that things have in fact gotten worse, and not better in Venezuela...

INTER‐AMERICAN COMMISSION ON HUMAN RIGHTS
OEA/Ser.L/V/II.
Doc. 54
30 December 2009
Original: Spanish
...
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
1. The report Democracy and Human Rights in Venezuela is produced in compliance
with the mandate of the Inter‐American Commission on Human Rights (hereinafter “the Inter‐
American Commission”, “the Commission”, or the “IACHR”) to promote the observance and defense
of human rights in the Member States of the Organization of American States (OAS). The Commission
believes that the refusal of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela (hereinafter “Venezuela” or “the
State”) to allow the Commission to conduct an on‐site visit to the country does not preclude the
IACHR from analyzing the situation of human rights in Venezuela.

2. The Commission’s last visit to Venezuela took place in May 2002, following the
institutional breakdown that occurred in April of that year. Following that visit, in December 2003 the
Commission published the Report on the Situation of Human Rights in Venezuela, in which it set out a
series of recommendations. Since then, in order to follow up on those recommendations and to
gather first‐hand information on the current human rights situation in Venezuela, the Commission
has pursued various formalities in order to secure the State’s permission to conduct an observation
visit. To date, the State has refused to allow the IACHR to visit Venezuela, not only undermining the
powers assigned to the Commission as the OAS’s principal body for the promotion and protection of
human rights, but also seriously weakening the protection system created by the Organization’s
Member States.

3. In the report Democracy and Human Rights in Venezuela, the Commission
analyzes the evolution of human rights in the State based on the information it has received over
recent years from its various protection mechanisms, such as processing petitions through the case
system, holding hearings, adopting precautionary measures, asking the Court to issue provisional
measures, including the country in Chapter IV of its annual reports, and issuing press releases. The
Commission also bases its analysis on information submitted by the State of Venezuela in response to
requests made by the Commission, on the State’s reply to the questionnaire about the human rights
situation in Venezuela received in August 2009, on information given to the Commission by the State
at hearings, and on the available public information.

4. In this report, the Commission identifies issues that restrict full enjoyment of the
human rights enshrined in the American Convention on Human Rights. Among other issues, the
IACHR analyzes a series of conditions that indicate the absence of due separation and independence
between the branches of government in Venezuela. The Commission also finds that in Venezuela, not
all persons are ensured full enjoyment of their rights irrespective of the positions they hold vis‐à‐vis
the government’s policies. The Commission also finds that the State’s punitive power is being used to
intimidate or punish people on account of their political opinions. The Commission’s report
establishes that Venezuela lacks the conditions necessary for human rights defenders and journalists
to carry out their work freely. The IACHR also detects the existence of a pattern of impunity in cases
of violence, which particularly affects media workers, human rights defenders, trade unionists,
participants in public demonstrations, people held in custody, campesinos (small‐scale and
subsistence farmers), indigenous peoples, and women.

5. The Commission begins by analyzing how the effective enjoyment of political
rights in Venezuela – rights that by their very nature promote strengthened democracy and political
pluralism – has been hampered. The IACHR’s report indicates that mechanisms have been created in
Venezuela that restrict the possibilities of candidates opposed to the government for securing access
to power. That has taken place through administrative resolutions of the Office of the Comptroller
General of the Republic, whereby 260 individuals, mostly opposed to the government, were
disqualified from standing for election. The Commission notes that these disqualifications from
holding public office were not the result of criminal convictions and were ordered in the absence of
prior proceedings, in contravention of the American Convention’s standards.

6. In its report, the Commission also notes how the State has taken action to limit
some powers of popularly‐elected authorities in order to reduce the scope of public functions in the
hands of members of the opposition. In its observations to the present report, the State indicated
that the modifications made to the instruments governing the powers and scope of authority of
governors and mayors would have been made regardless of who was elected in 2008 and that they
also apply to authorities of the government’s party. Nevertheless, the IACHR has noticed that a series
of legal reforms have left opposition authorities with limited powers, preventing them from
legitimately exercising the mandates for which they were elected.

7. In this report, the IACHR also notes a troubling trend of punishments,
intimidation, and attacks on individuals in reprisal for expressing their dissent with official policy. This
trend affects both opposition authorities and citizens exercising their right to express their
disagreement with the policies pursued by the government. These reprisals are carried out through
both state actions, including harassment, and acts of violence perpetrated by civilians acting outside
the law as violent groups. The Commission notes with concern that, in some extreme cases, criminal
proceedings have been brought against dissidents, accusing them of common crimes in order to deny
them their freedom on account of their political positions.
...

www.cidh.oas.org...

The facts are there for everyone to see. You can TRY to spew your propaganda BS elsewhere...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Again with the speaking Spanish bullcrap. It is insulting of you to assume that I cannot comprehend the language.

But besides that point, you keep on posting PRO-US SOURCES. IF YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND what the US has done to the Venezueland population and nation you might as well delete your account fromt his site, you are not convincing anyone other than the people already indoctrinated by US propaganda. It's that simple, no matter how good you are at Spanish

Besides, I bet you haven't watched the video I posted, your attention span is probably too short thanks to all the gameshows and idols/x-factor you've been feeding your brain, but I guess, that is what you equate to freedom is it not?

reply to post by Zamini


BS, you keep claiming that the sources i am posting and "Reuters" are being paid to write what they write about Venezuela, and at the same time you want to ignore the fact that Chavez has clamped down on the oposition, and you are showing a "pro-chavista video" which is nothing more than BS from the dictatorial regime of Chavez.

SHOW PROOF that the millions of Venezuelans who have taken to the streets to demonstrate against Chavez is nothing more than propaganda... Don't give us your rhetorical BS... SHOW PROOF...

I even gave the report from a Human Rights group that clearly corroborates the fact that Chavez is nothing more than another socialist dictator...

Originally posted by St Udio
...
Chavez at least opens up the palacial estates, made for the Chief-Executive...to the public & homeless types...lets see NO-Bama keep away from a party... &/or then donate the place as a temporary shelter for the disadvantaged====> no way Jose', Michelle would have a fit

Oh pleeease... First of all Obama is a leftist... Second of all Chavez, like castro loves to try to show to the world how good he is meanwhile denying Human Rights to his own people, if they don't like him...

castro loved to go to New York and do something for some of the poor people in New York, meanwhile my family and the mayority of Cubans don't have enough to eat, and live in a socialist dictatorial regime...

After all castro was/is Chavez's friend and mentor...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

SHOW PROOF that the millions of Venezuelans who have taken to the streets to demonstrate against Chavez is nothing more than propaganda... Don't give us your rhetorical BS... SHOW PROOF...

I even gave the report from a Human Rights group that clearly corroborates the fact that Chavez is nothing more than another socialist dictator...

It is a shame that you equate less than HALF A MILLION people to MILLIONS of people. That is one.

Second, it is a shame that you equate Human Rights groups that do not critisize anyone else but the ''enemies of US&friends'' to HUMAN RIGHTS groups. That is second.

Not that you need to be ashamed for calling a leader who educates even the poorest of his countrymen on their rights and constitution to a socialist dictator. I wonder what you call the Israeli or the US who go out of their way to not teach their countrymen the consitution or their rights, and who go out of their way to silence and trample the rights of their countrymen. I can only guess what is above a socialist dictator on your ladder of ''evil leaders''.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

meanwhile my family and the mayority of Cubans don't have enough to eat

Plant a seed in the ground. I bet your PC would sell for a few loaves of bread. And I bet you wouldn't be held to stricter laws when it comes to planting a seed in the ground than farmers in the EU. But hey, what would you know RIGHT?!