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Psychohistory and the coming fall of the American Empire:

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posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 08:22 PM
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Not always... The moores did not eliminate the christians.... The added note to this is the main idea is the gulf inbetween the two... There were a set of numbers about technology and advancement levels competing....

another example is Germany versus russia WWII

it was a good movie in my honest opinion




posted on Jan, 3 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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One has to wonder whether they "know" the US is going down, or if they are helping?

It is a terrible situation. People can assume they know what will happen, and then act accordingly. They are not acting how they necessarily wish to, but how they feel will work best with an assumed outcome.



posted on Jan, 3 2011 @ 11:27 PM
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I thought you would like to read this part...

Millennium Challenge 2002

mods I apologise but I want to include a lot here in case of editing




Millennium Challenge 2002 (MC02) was a major war game exercise conducted by the United States armed forces in mid-2002, likely the largest such exercise in history. The exercise, which ran from July 24 to August 15 and cost $250 million, involved both live exercises and computer simulations. MC02 was meant to be a test of future military "transformation"—a transition toward new technologies that enable network-centric warfare and provide more powerful weaponry and tactics. The simulated combatants were the United States, denoted "Blue", and an unknown adversary in the Middle East, "Red".
[edit] Exercise action

Red, commanded by retired Marine Corps Lt. General Paul K. Van Riper, used old methods to evade Blue's sophisticated electronic surveillance network. Van Riper used motorcycle messengers to transmit orders to front-line troops and World War II lighting signals to get airplanes off the runways without using radio communication.

Red received an ultimatum from Blue, that was essentially a surrender document, that Red must respond to within 24 hours. Given that Red knew that Blue was coming, by the second day of the exercise Red used a fleet of small boats to determine the position of Blue's fleet. In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles, overwhelming the Blue forces' electronic sensors, destroying sixteen warships. This includes one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five out of the six amphibious ships. The equivalent of this success in a real conflict would have resulted in the death of over 20,000 service personnel. Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats carrying out both conventional and suicide attacks, able to engage Blue forces due to Blue's inability to detect them as well as expected.[1]

At this point, the exercise was suspended and Blue's ships were "re-floated" and changes were made to the rules of engagement; later this was justified by General Peter Pace as: "You kill me in the first day and I sit there for the next 13 days doing nothing, or you put me back to life and you get 13 more days' worth of experiment out of me. Which is a better way to do it?"[2] In the new restarted exercise the different sides were ordered to follow predetermined plans of action, leading to allegations that the exercise was scripted and "$250 million was wasted".[3] Due to his concerns about the scripted nature of the new exercise, Van Riper resigned his position in the midst of the war game. Van Riper later expressed concern that the wargame's purpose had shifted to reinforce existing doctrine and notions of infallibility within the U.S. military rather than serve as a learning experience. He was quoted in the BBC–Discovery Channel documentary The Perfect War[4] as saying that what he saw in MC02 echoed the same attitudes taken on by the Department of Defense of Robert McNamara going in to and during the Vietnam War, namely the idea that the U.S. military could not and will not be defeated.


Now this reminds me of part of the story.

Instead of training new technicians they shut down plants... A sign of decay due to incompetence...

What should have happened was the following...

If it was a restart, truly what he said, not the crap he tried pass it off as (General Peter Pace)..

Restart -
red team declared the winner
now adapt the problems

you cant lift the fog of war- but you can minimize it..

war game fixed




The biggest war game in US military history, staged this month at a cost of £165m with 13,000 troops, was rigged to ensure that the Americans beat their "Middle Eastern" adversaries, according to one of the main participants.

General Paul Van Riper, a retired marine lieutenant-general, told the Army Times that the sprawling three-week millennium challenge exercises, were "almost entirely scripted to ensure a [US] win".


this is part of the problem...

Can the nation be moved the few points necessary to prevent the fall?



posted on Jan, 3 2011 @ 11:31 PM
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I hate to quote sci-fi books but I hope Ideas do get out....

The wisest course is to have it...

The lack of competence in the military gives me hope they have done it....



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 01:58 AM
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The elite are clearly designing the collapse of the American Empire in their endless consolidation plan to create one world currency and one world government. They have been at this for centuries now and are dangerously close to achieving it but at the same time it could all quickly unravel as things have become fortunately unpredictable too. They try to plan history and are very good at this but God will always counter them in ways their great evil can never comprehend or see coming.



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 06:33 PM
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Does this mean that you can make accurate predictions over there behavior?

I am interested in how you see that being applied. It means you see steps being taken. A before b before c



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 07:10 PM
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Well I am going to keep part of my word that I have given...

1st
what does law enforcement face in the next year.....


2nd
what does texas face this next year.....

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Across the nation I see the various issues

To the LEO's here is what you will be facing

A small spike in


(with displaced criminals hitting small towns as teams?????)

psi event sorry... drugged out people hitting small town hit my mind for some reason....
rape, killing, murder, ect....
If you deal with this be careful.... very careful... not a video game, its real life


A small spike in various crimes.

why?

Rise in gas prices will result in other fall outs... higher cost for food and other material...

a worse economy will result in more young socialist believing that people should share what they do have....

a small rise in thefts, drug flow,con, scam going up

what you have to worry about is the about to be unemployed professionals...
I think you should be on the lookout for unexplained thefts...

Expect a lot more computer crime, a whole lot.....


I am not sure of the numbers but expect riots when the cost of gas reaches 5.50 in poorer areas....

cleaning this up for you...

small crimes will begin to rise as the price of gas rises...

when it breaks from 3.50 to 4

at 4 to 4.5 expect the jumps to rise and compound...

be very afraid when it jumps 4.5 to 5

the american froggies will not realise why this is going just that they have been cooked....

I would seriously begin discussing plans to prepare for this...

In fact expect your fellow officers to go on the take a lot more to....watch out for purchases and be very weary of officers with families...

Your budgets will be cut ( a lot in the liberal areas)... Less people to patrol and control the areas... Less budget for fuel and ammo...

BE VERY CAREFUL OUT ON PATROL... a lot of your fellow americans will be out for blood...

I recommend the following if you want to live...

hide your address from the public...
Always where your kevlar jacket out of the house..
make sure your house has a least a seven foot tall privacy fence( wood or stone)
make sure you RECORD ALL conversations at this point... ALL OF THEM... trust no one....(do not feed crap)
Park all cars in secured area that only you the officer access
If you do not check for bombs ect do not get in...


I word these this way because I see the public going after the law dogs... Your reps will be destroyed this next year... Learn from the history of the officers during the depression and civil rights era... You are gonna have to project authority and have it...






edit on 5-1-2011 by ripcontrol because: just making predictions



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 07:35 PM
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Now to the great state of texas what do I see.... I feel....

I do see some chaos, but we will not be hit as hard as the rest of the nation...

Why?

Texas is ruled by the conservatives... Not the liberals....

Worst case texas might start feeling what most of the rest of the country feels as itis now while the rest deteriorates. We all recognise that their is NO leadership in washington

proof.... look who beat who for governor.... he is gearing up for a run.... (he will have to the bush stigma)

It is the rise in fuel cost that will bite most texans... A slim chance for relief will come in the neo-con possibly deciding to make gas and oil in texas... with out opec or the feds permission...

only at the 5.5 to 6 dollar a gallon range...

so far, it will cause some issues... especially when the manufacturing is sold to foreign investors....


if it comes to this the feds and state will go head to head..... EPA will try to control


Expect their to be a lot of murders along the border...

I see texans reaching their limit (mil, civ, and leo) they will just off them....

(note this is percentage odds based on gas prices)


Yes I see the gas issue being major..... Texas survived the bs from the market because of the current leadership....

who made the decisions I do not know.......

Texas should have some job rebounds as republicans take over...



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 06:45 PM
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Well I had to sit down and think very hard.....

What else have I noticed?



Obama is still alive....

I know this comment will get this thread some notice but I have to ask this...

I have noticed this descrepency.. We have been told that the numbers are that America is racist. It is why we have the equal hiring laws...

Affirmative action....

This is how it affects the American Empire.

We all know the conspiracies on the clintons...


at waco three of the four dead used to work for governor clinton....

Drug running for clinton in arkansas

salon

Vince foster

what really happened

hillary and stan lee scandal



io.com clinton scandal

a pretty good short list.....


Now pause for a minute... And run the major obama scandal

Birth certificate
Acorn

ect....

now look at how he has governed....

His origin

Chicago politics ( think al capone)
Possible spy/agent cia

you can add more I am sure....

The biggest thing is that he took out the Clinton machine in a drawn out bare knuckles fight for the party....

This string of thoughts put a new twist on wikileaks....

It hit Clinton hard not the obama administration.... Look at hillaries last four years in office. a scandal to reign them in... a neuter effect.. it shows her incompetent.... and nothing from the whitehouse of major importance over julian assange..

Overall it seems that maybe obama is meaner and tougher then the drug dealers from Arkansas... It is a different look at things...

I will predict obama getting reelected with little fuss....

I have to think some more ... thoughts...



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 12:41 AM
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I keep posting as I know At the very least some of them are being read...

So here is question with a recent series of post... The issue of cops getting out of hand... yes it has come up and I need to add this..

reply to post by ripcontrol
 


gun control


reply to post by ripcontrol
 


the numbers of the whole game... please before bashing at least follow the last one...


Where do you think the point is between people take to the point of no more... since we are not mathematicians... can you give sociological parallels? what point is that at...

where is that crisis point and what do you see as the point...



posted on Sep, 8 2011 @ 05:07 PM
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The numbers I caught are there.... After watching the republicans decide that their support can not support Ron Paul and the obvious rigging something hit me square on the head....

This is part of the number set of the PTB showing their hand.... The republicans have shown their hand and already have picked their candidate....

Otherwise Ron Paul would declared as the leading candidate...

The facts of this are this...

Most of you on here are good and decent people.... You are honest and do not lie.... So allow me to point out a small thing....

A person on this site visited DC and mentioned something... They mention that the republicans where in a pure get Obama mood and to hell with the country....

Well taking these first hand observations to the logical conclusion...

If I organize a plan to attack and destroy a politician...

first I need a cats paw... to do the dirty work for me...
an organization to take the credit....=

Well part one is check-
notice how the Tea Party is not part of the republican Party but without being consulted elected the speaker

also how did they register in areas like California... the rules did not allow for the tea party...
oh easy the voted REPUBLICAN....

a field test of my tool=

does anyone challenge 2010's assault on the legislature.... success!!!!!

my tool works and what is best they take all the credit of doing it independently.....


please dont get mad at me for pointing out the obviousness of people being played.... reread the art of war ...



so what does this have to do with anything.....

Well if I organized the assault I would also already have a hand picked pool of candidates say two or three that the party can 'choose from'..... with my favorite being at the top....

Please note that their is a thread with perry already going to bilderburg group....

I mention this here because the idiots are as bad as the damn romans where... Listen you TPTB, if your going to infight over the cookies at least lock the back door while you argue in the living room...

( note crime and the immigrant issue in the four southern/western states compared to the germans in the roman empire edge)


So no... Ron Paul will not be the president of the united states..... his supporters are disorganized and pose no threat....

Right now it is Obama versus the Might of the republican machine.....


The other note is Hoffa's comment falls in line with the thread of SO that the republicans are in get o-man mode....

ATS the war for control of America is happening now..... and as an American I have to thank them for the education... For I smell an opportunity... a huge one that I have to discuss with my support before I engage.... Their is opportunity abound

Thank you ATS for taking the time to listen and Always Deny Ignorance



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