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Hatred for Muslims/Islam on ATS - where does it come from?

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posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 07:46 PM
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Let us see..

They infect our political institutions with dangerous political correctness that gives them a foothold..

Then, whole estates are built up on the cheap because they moved in and turned it into a ghetto.

Mosques are built.

The religio/politico of islamic life with imans in tow who teach how to be at peace via jihad and using a countries freedoms against itself.

Then lying through their teeth at every minuet as their religion actually allows as long as it makes them dominant..

Moderates etc is a lie..

When was the last time a moderate sent a fundementalist to jail?


Go figure


If you wish to remain morons then that is your business..

Just do not get in my way x
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posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by Subjective Truth
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The same thing I said in the blasphemy thread I will say here. Lets look at the facts Islam preaches hate of non-believers and women. Am I wrong?



If so why are the moderate Muslims not distancing themselves from the others? Why are they not giving women basic human rights? Why do they not stand agaisnt preaching hate to children?


When I see the moderate Muslims speaking out in numbers I will begin to listen again until then they are all riding in the same hate filled boat.



Well I have seen moderate moslems speaking out against the jihadists almost every month on the BBC. Do you believe that Xtianity preaches tolerance and love?? Hint I have been to Northern Ireland. Have you?
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posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 07:54 PM
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so umm? where is the proof behind your statement ? also one could say that other religions do the same ? i think what your talking about is certain people that are indeed in power abusing what is not theirs to abuse , and since they hail from Islam ,then i think sticking the label on them would be in order right ?



not all Muslims are what you speak , its the people in power that are creating this mess , so its wrong to label a whole religion because of it

peace be with you my good man



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 07:56 PM
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sorry it took me a long time to get back ,umm i know allot about chechnya , so if your ever intrested , feel free to send me a message

peace be with you my good man



posted on Jan, 2 2011 @ 08:18 PM
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posted on Jan, 3 2011 @ 02:15 AM
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The same things can easily be said (and have been said) about Islam, all depends on where you get your information and opinions- What makes you think you've been getting the right information?

Let's assume everything you said about Israel is correct- Do you believe Israel is the only country in the world that has invaded any country? Killed people for their passport? Worked with apartheid Africa, or developed biological weapons, or anything else that was on your list?

Saying 'You Americans hold Muslims hostage to a fascist ideology' and dismissing everything I said (Which has nothing to do with Islam, I've already said that the hate of Islam originates from ignorance) is the same as me saying 'You Muslims hold Israelis hostage to a fascist ideology'- It's neither true, nor is it a good argument.



posted on Jan, 3 2011 @ 07:59 AM
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Not only are you an Israeli, you are a zionist. I have nothing to say to you and I suspect you understand what I think of you. So from now on I will try not to respond to you. For the sake of this site, I suggest you take what you are selling and leave me alone.



posted on Jan, 3 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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I'd like to know more about the symbolism of your avatar. In one hand you hold the Koran, and with the other hand you make the 'number 1' gesture. What are you saying? If I were to take a picture of myself with the Koran in one hand and with the other hand I made a thumbs down gesture, how would you interpret that?

IRM



posted on Jan, 3 2011 @ 12:06 PM
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reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady
 


Imagine if Muslims were talked to the way you're talking to me.

You're acting with the same ignorance, prejudice, and blind hate you were preaching against just a few posts ago when it was directed at Muslims.

Don't you even feel just a little bit like a hypocrite?



posted on Jan, 3 2011 @ 12:26 PM
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People all the time make ascernic or hateful comments about Jews and they arent "pounded on so fast".

But than again, if there was such an issue as Jewish radical terrorism based on Judaism that im sure they would be treated in that way.

Its the death worship and virtue of martyrdom in certain radical forms of islam that deserves to be flushed out. Any muslim who even remotely tolerates or condone this behavior should be shut up and not be given a forum to express his views.

But... there are other G-d fearing moderate muslims who respect the sanctity of life and who understand and realize that murder is murder. G-d does not want senseless murder especially of innocents.



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 07:47 PM
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Forgive my cynicism, and I admit I have chosen your post of the many to comment on - but so many I see on this thread are deeply concerned about women.
However, do you and all these other (presumably men) actually give a tinkers' about the rights of women in your own society?
Here in New Zealand, 80% of our television comes from the USA. We see endless cop shows and films of the genre a feminist writer called the "kill the woman" type.
Then there's a sick little comedy called 'Two and a Half Men'. From the trailers I have unwillingly seen, it's about Charlie Sheen, a fat kid and a skinny guy ridiculing women over 30, and ill-treating and exploiting women of between 18-25, who all look like Penthouse centre-folds. Huge blouse, no brain.
The new Stargate series SGU features an Asian woman, a busty (now pregnant blonde) and a weepy teen girl none of whom appear to have a brain cell between them. (The Asian woman is clever enough but uses her brain for what would once have been called 'Un-American activities.)
So do you really care about women?
Seeing women as sexual assets or dried up hyserical has-beens is in itself a form of slavery. Like it or not guys, we're people not things.
Vicky



Well from the standpoint of television based womanising being slavery; your argument just went up in smoke. Perhaps you should look deeper inside yourself. When you do you will find that there is a deep rooted tolerance for islam and no matter how ugly islam is, you will always try to justify it's teachings.

Believe it or not here in the U.S. women are equal to men. Therefore they can choose an acting career that may agree or disagree with your agenda.



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by chuckMFd
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Well from the standpoint of television based womanising being slavery; your argument just went up in smoke. Perhaps you should look deeper inside yourself. When you do you will find that there is a deep rooted tolerance for islam and no matter how ugly islam is, you will always try to justify it's teachings.

Believe it or not here in the U.S. women are equal to men. Therefore they can choose an acting career that may agree or disagree with your agenda.

Sadly, you completely missed my point.... which was that I have to (having never been to the USA, and since Dubya's wars never wanting to risk it), I get my ideas about y'all from three sources - websites, Americans here and TV. That women are equal in the USA seems rather debatable. In a strongly militarised society such as I see the USA being - women become the prize for men to fight for - hence the cast of SGU! "A deep-rooted tolerance for Islam' - what is that supposed to mean? Of course I am tolerant of Islam - I have never made the mistake of either believing the official 9/11 story and also, I teach Muslim students, as I teach Christians and Buddhists.
People here keep yelling about Christians not being tolerant - yet you get paranoid when I as a Christian am tolerant! Make up your minds..
I don't justify the teachings of Islam, why would I? I simply don't like bigotry.
Vicky



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 04:39 AM
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Originally posted by Yissachar1
Let us see..

They infect our political institutions with dangerous political correctness that gives them a foothold..

Then, whole estates are built up on the cheap because they moved in and turned it into a ghetto.

Mosques are built.

The religio/politico of islamic life with imans in tow who teach how to be at peace via jihad and using a countries freedoms against itself.

Then lying through their teeth at every minuet as their religion actually allows as long as it makes them dominant..

Moderates etc is a lie..

When was the last time a moderate sent a fundementalist to jail?


Go figure


If you wish to remain morons then that is your business..

Just do not get in my way x
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Please give me some proof.
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posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 05:39 AM
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This is a problem of the right-wing and left-wing who have crippled themselves into a mental black-or-white-position.

Arent you tired of right-wingers who vilify 99% of muslims for the deeds of 1%?

And arent you also tired of left-wingers who try to apologize for and buddy up with insane mass-murderers?

But when you are not gridlocked by a political position, you can see reality for what it is.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:59 AM
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Arent you tired of right-wingers who vilify 99% of muslims for the deeds of 1%?


Its much more lopsided than that.

The problem is with Islamic theology itself.

I personally know and am very close with a few muslims, who are quite different than the ones who live in the middle east. I know there are good muslims out there who deplore the actions of terrorism; hamas, fatah, hizbollah and any Islamic authority with incites its people towards murder.

Thats the issue. Its a major problem when Arab countries like Saudia Arabia, Iran and Egypt (among others) award the plo with financial aid only when they can get their citizens to blow themselves up for Allah. This is an actual practice and simply google it and you'll see for yourself. Families are given 15,000 US dollars and continued financial support until their youngest child hits adulthood if they have one of their children kill themselves in a suicide attack. Im not sure if its done still today but during te 1st ad 2nd intifada it was a regular practice. Some palestinian families who knew better were very consternated about this practice but to afraid to protest it.

Anyone who wants to look at the Israel/Palestine situation objectively must go to PalestineMediaWatch.org and see for themselves what the PA subjects its citizens to.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 04:05 PM
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i'll just say one thing, i'm not racist at all but when we're not aloud to fly our own flag in our own country because it upsets the muslims, or when our tax money is payin to build mosques instead ov our own churches then you know something aint right! i want my kids to grow up nd be proud of there religion but how can they when our religion is being outcast in our own country? how can a flag insult another religion when they're aloud to walk aroud covering they're faces nd wearin turbans?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 04:37 PM
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i'm not racist at all but when we're not aloud to fly our own flag in our own country because it upsets the muslims,


Being Muslim is a religion and it is not a nationality. Most British Muslims consider themselves British, do not serve is some Muslim army somewhere like many British Jews do with flying over to Israel for military service. Muslims do not object to the British flag nor do they run the local councils that ban them.

The people who ban the flag are lefties, right-on type white folks that believe sexuality is not either and or but on a continuum.

Mind you I am in favour of Chavs being prevented from taking the flag down market.


or when our tax money is payin to build mosques


Never in the history of Britian has a mosque or temple or synagogue been paid for from the tax payer's pocket.

Mind you I am sick to death of paying for the off spring of Chavs and dreadful and toothless mothers who get impregnated by several men.


i want my kids to grow up nd be proud of there religion but how can they when our religion is being outcast in our own country?


How is someone elses faith going to prevent your children from worshiping their own religion. Someone who makes an absurd comment like that obviously has no faith.

If you feel your children are outcasts then you have a chip on your shoulders and no one has as big a chip on their shoulders as Chavs.


how can a flag insult another religion when they're aloud to walk aroud covering they're faces nd wearin turbans?


This is a ludicrous comment founded on an nonsensical premise. By the way, Muslims don't wear turbans, sikhs do. Do you have a problem with them too?

Maybe Britain shouldn't have used Muslims and Sikhs to fight for Britain in WW2 and you and you kids wouldn't have been outcasts under the rule of Nazi Germany.

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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 04:46 PM
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there's no need t get personal hinny, touche!



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 04:59 PM
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The problem is with Islamic theology itself.

I personally know and am very close with a few muslims, who are quite different than the ones who live in the middle east. I know there are good muslims out there who deplore the actions of terrorism; hamas, fatah, hizbollah and any Islamic authority with incites its people towards murder.


No doubt you are a zionist Jews. I think Muslims get off lightly when it comes criticise their faith compare to what Jews like you say of Christianity;


Dishonouring Christian religious symbols is an old religious duty in Judaism. Spitting on the cross, an especially on the Crucifix, and spitting when a Jew passes a church, have been obligatory from around AD 200 for pious Jews. In the past, when the danger of anti-Semitic hostility was a real one, the pious Jews were commanded by their rabbis either to spit so that the reason for doing so would be unknown, or to spit onto their chests, not actually on the cross or openly before the church.

The increasing strength of the Israel has caused these customs to become more open again but there should be no mistake: The spitting on the cross for converts from Christianity to Judaism, organized in Kibbutz Sa'ad and financed by the Israeli government is a an act of traditional Jewish piety. It does not seize to be barbaric, horrifying and wicked because of this! On the contrary, it is worse because it is so traditional, and much more dangerous as well, just as the renewed anti-Semitism of the Nazis was dangerous, because in part, it played on the traditional anti-Semitic past.





Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them

A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window.

By Amiram Barkat


www.haaretz.com...




‘The Battle for Israel’s Soul’ – Channel 4 on Jewish fundamentalism

Jewish fundamentalism is something the mainstream media torch is rarely shone on, with recent articles about spitting at Christian clergy being confined mostly to the israeli press. Few exceptions exist: this year, Australian journalist Anne Barker reported on her experiences on getting caught in an ultra-orthodox attack, and in 2006 Brian Whittaker had a piece on the Haredim’s medieval sexism which has resulted in more than a few public beatings of women who dared to sit at the front of the bus.


pulsemedia.org...

And what Jews say of Jesus and Mary is not worth repeating and strikes at the heart of the Christian faith with rabbis pronouncing grandiously like you saying how they object the theology of Christianity.

In your effort to incite others to hate and attack Islam you fail to mention that articulating fundamental articles of your Jewish faith. You are a believer who is convinced that other faiths are a sin and must be destroyed.

As for you having Muslim "friends" whom you categorise as being good because they hate any Muslim struggling against oppression and the zionist yoke is disingenuous. There are very few Muslim or Arab traitors against the freedom struggle of their brothers and sisters and those that side with the Dogs are either money hungry sociopaths, mentally ill or blackmailed into their wretched predicament by zionists.
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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:11 PM
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I think a christian would prefer a Jew spitting on a cross (though i dont approve of that) than this.


Christian oppression in the Muslim World

Republic of Turkey

In modern Turkey, the Istanbul pogrom was a state-sponsored and state-orchestrated pogrom that compelled Greek Christians to leave Istanbul, the first Christian city in violation to the Treaty of Lausanne (see Istanbul Pogrom). The issue of Christian genocides by the Turks may become a problem, since Turkey wishes to join the European Union.[92]

The Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople is still in a difficult position. Turkey requires by law that the Ecumenical Patriarch must be an ethnic Greek, holding Turkish citizenship by birth, although most of the Greek minority has been expelled. The state's expropriation of church property and the closing of the Orthodox Theological School of Halki are also difficulties faced by the Church of Constantinople. Despite appeals from the United States, the European Union and various governmental and non-governmental organizations, the School remains closed since 1971.

Persecution of Christians has continued in modern Turkey. On February 5, 2006, the Catholic priest Andrea Santoro was murdered in Trabzon by a student influenced by the reactions following the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy.[93] On April 18, 2007, 3 Christians were murdered in the bible publishing firm in Malatya,[94][95] coincidentally, the hometown of Mehmet Ali Ağca, the assassin who shot and wounded Pope John Paul II on May 13, 1981.
Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus

The Turkish army controlled the territory of Northern Cyprus beginning in 1974. The United Nations has documented their systematic destruction of churches belong to the Church of Cyprus from 1974 though 2003.[96][97]
Algeria

On the night of 26-27 March 1996, seven monks from the monastery of Tibhirine in Algeria, belonging to the Roman Catholic Trappist Order of Cistercians of the Strict Observance (O.C.S.O.), were kidnapped in the Algerian Civil War. They were held for two months, and were found dead on 21 May 1996. The circumstances of their kidnapping and death remain controversial; the Armed Islamic Group (GIA) claims responsibility for both, but the then French military attaché, retired General Francois Buchwalter, reports that they were accidentally killed by the Algerian army in a rescue attempt, and claims have been made that the GIA itself was a cat's paw of Algeria's secret services (DRS).

Islamists looted, and burned to the ground, a Pentecostal church in Tizi Ouzou on January 9, 2010. The pastor was quoted as saying that worshipers fled when local police left a gang of local rioters unchecked.[98]
Indonesia

In January 1999, anti-Christian violence erupted by local Muslims.[99][100] "Tens of thousands died when Moslem gunmen terrorized Christians who had voted for independence in East Timor."[101]
Iraq

According to UNHCR, although Christians represent less than 5% of the total Iraqi population, they make up 40% of the refugees now living in nearby countries.[102] Northern Iraq remained predominantly Christian until the destructions of Tamerlane at the end of the 14th century. The Church of the East has its origin in what is now South East Turkey. By the end of the 13th century there were twelve Nestorian dioceses in a strip from Peking to Samarkand. When the 14th-century Muslim warlord of Turco-Mongol descent, Timur (Tamerlane), conquered Persia, Mesopotamia and Syria, the civilian population was decimated. Timur had 70,000 Assyrian Christians beheaded in Tikrit, and 90,000 more in Baghdad.[103][104]

In the 16th century, Christians were half the population of Iraq.[105] In 1987, the last Iraqi census counted 1.4 million Christians.[106] They were tolerated under the secular regime of Saddam Hussein, who even made one of them, Tariq Aziz, his deputy. However persecution by Saddam Hussein continued against the Christians on a cultural and racial level, as the vast majority are Ethnic Assyrians (aka Chaldo-Assyrians). The Assyrian -Aramaic language and written script was repressed, the giving of Hebraic/Aramaic Christian names or Assyrio-Babylonian names forbidden(Tariq Aziz real name is Michael Youhanna for example), and Saddam exploited religious differences between Assyrian denominations. Assyrians were ethnically cleansed from their towns and villages under the Anfal Campaign in 1988.

Recently, Chaldo-Assyrian Christians have seen their total numbers slump to about 500-000 to 800,000 today, of whom 250,000 live in Baghdad.[107] An exodus to the neighboring countries of Syria, Jordan and Turkey has left behind closed parishes, seminaries and convents. As a small minority without a militia of their own, Assyrian Christians have been persecuted by both Shi’a and Sunni Muslim militias, and also by criminal gangs.[108][109]

Many Assyrian Christians are departing for their northern heartlands in the Nineveh plains around Mosul.[citation needed] Assyrian armed militia are now being set up (in 2010) to protect Assyrian towns and villages.[citation needed] As of June 21, 2007, the UNHCR estimated that 2.2 million Iraqis had been displaced to neighboring countries, and 2 million were displaced internally, with nearly 100,000 Iraqis fleeing to Syria and Jordan each month.[110][111] A May 25, 2007 article notes that in the past seven months only 69 people from Iraq have been granted refugee status in the United States.[112]

Chaldean Catholic priest Fr. Ragheed Aziz Ganni and subdeacons Basman Yousef Daud, Wahid Hanna Isho, and Gassan Isam Bidawed were killed in the ancient city of Mosul last year.[113] Fr. Ragheed Aziz Ganni was driving with his three deacons when they were stopped and demanded to convert to Islam, when they refused they were shot.[113] Six months later, the body of Paulos Faraj Rahho, archbishop of Mosul, was found buried near Mosul. He was kidnapped on February 29, 2008 when his bodyguards and driver were killed.[114]

In 2004, five churches were destroyed by bombing. Tens of thousands of Christians fled the country.[115][116]

In 2010-11-01 was an attack on the Our Lady of Salvation Syriac Catholic cathedral[117] of Baghdad, Iraq, that took place during Sunday evening Mass on October 31, 2010. The attack left at least 58 people dead, after more than 100 had been taken hostage. The al-Qaeda-linked Sunni insurgent group[118] the Islamic State of Iraq claimed responsibility for the attack; though Shia cleric Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani and Iraq's highest Catholic cleric condemned the attack, amongst others.
Lebanon

The war in Lebanon saw a number of massacres of both Christians and Muslims. Among the earliest was the Damour Massacre in 1976 when Palestinian militias attacked Christian civilians in retaliation for the Karantina Massacre. According to an eyewitness: The attack took place from the mountain behind "It was an apocalypse," [said Father Mansour Labaky, a Christian Maronite priest who survived the massacre at Damour:] 'They were coming, thousands and thousands, shouting "Allahu Akbar! (God is great!) Let us attack them for the Arabs, let us offer a holocaust to Mohammad!", And they were slaughtering everyone in their path, men, women and children.'[119][120][121] The persecution in Lebanon combined sectarian, political, ideological, and retaliation reasons. The Syrian regime was also involved in persecuting Christians as well as Muslims in Lebanon.
Sudan

In Sudan, it is estimated that over 1.5 million Christians have been killed by the Janjaweed, the Arab Muslim militia, and even suspected Islamists in northern Sudan since 1984.[4] It should also be noted that Sudan's several civil wars (which often take the form of genocidal campaigns) are often not only or purely religious in nature, but also ethnic, as many black Muslims, as well as Muslim Arab tribesmen, have also been killed in the conflicts.

It is estimated that as many as 200,000 people had been taken into slavery during the Second Sudanese Civil War. The slaves are mostly Dinka people.[122][123]
Pakistan

In Pakistan 1.5% of the population are Christian. Pakistani law mandates that "blasphemies" of the Qur'an are to be met with punishment. Ayub Masih, a Christian, was convicted of blasphemy and sentenced to death in 1998. He was accused by a neighbor of stating that he supported British writer, Salman Rushdie, author of The Satanic Verses. Lower appeals courts upheld the conviction. However, before the Pakistan Supreme Court, his lawyer was able to prove that the accuser had used the conviction to force Masih's family off their land and then acquired control of the property. Masih has been released.[124]

In October 2001, gunmen on motorcycles opened fire on a Protestant congregation in the Punjab, killing 18 people. No one knows for sure who the gunmen were but officials think it might be a banned Islamic group.[125]

In March 2002, five people were killed in an attack on a church in Islamabad, including an American schoolgirl and her mother.[126]

In August 2002, masked gunmen stormed a Christian missionary school for foreigners in Islamabad, six people were killed and three injured. None of those killed were children of foreign missionaries.[127]

In August 2002, grenades were thrown at a church in the grounds of a Christian hospital in north-west Pakistan, near Islamabad, killing three nurses.[128]

On September 25, 2002 two terrorists entered the "Peace and Justice Institute", Karachi, where they separated Muslims from the Christians, and then murdered seven Christians by shooting them in the head.[129][130] All of the victims were Pakistani Christians. Karachi police chief Tariq Jamil said the victims had their hands tied and their mouths had been covered with tape.

In December 2002, three young girls were killed when hand grenade was thrown into a church near Lahore on Christmas Day.[131]

In November 2005 3,000 militant Islamists attacked Christians in Sangla Hill in Pakistan and destroyed Roman Catholic, Salvation Army and United Presbyterian churches. The attack was over allegations of violation of blasphemy laws by a Pakistani Christian named Yousaf Masih. The attacks were widely condemned by some political parties in Pakistan.[132]

On June 5, 2006 a Pakistani Christian stonemason, Nasir Ashraf, was working near Lahore when he drank water from a public facility using a glass chained to the facility. He was assaulted by Muslims for "Polluting the glass". A mob developed, who beat Ashraf, calling him a "Christian dog". Bystanders encouraged the beating and joined in. Ashraf was eventually hospitalized.[133]

One year later, in August 2007, a Christian missionary couple, Rev. Arif and Kathleen Khan, were gunned down by militant Islamists in Islamabad. Pakistani police believed that the murders was committed by a member of Khan's parish over alleged sexual harassment by Khan. This assertion is widely doubted by Khan's family as well as by Pakistani Christians.[134] [135]

In August 2009 six Christians including 4 women and a child were burnt alive by Muslim militants and a church set ablaze in Gojra, Pakistan when violence broke out after alleged desecration of Qur'an.[136]



Egypt

While the Egyptian government does not have a policy to persecute Christians, it discriminates against them and hampers their freedom of worship. Its agencies sporadically persecute Muslim converts to Christianity.[137] The government enforces Hamayouni Decree restrictions on building or repairing churches. These same restrictions, however, do not apply to mosques.[137]

The government has effectively restricted Christians from senior government, diplomatic, military, and educational positions, and there has been increasing discrimination in the private sector.[137][138] The government subsidizes media which attack Christianity and restricts Christians access to the state-controlled media.[137]

In Egypt the government does not officially recognize conversions from Islam to Christianity; because certain interfaith marriages are not allowed either, this prevents marriages between converts to Christianity and those born in Christian communities, and also results in the children of Christian converts being classified as Muslims and given a Muslim education.[137] The government also applies religiously discriminatory laws and practices concerning clergy salaries.[137]

Foreign missionaries are allowed in the country only if they restrict their activities to social improvements and refrain from proselytizing. The Coptic Pope Shenouda III was internally exiled in 1981 by President Anwar Sadat, who then chose five Coptic bishops and asked them to choose a new pope. They refused, and in 1985 President Hosni Mubarak restored Pope Shenouda III, who had been accused of fomenting interconfessional strife. Particularly in Upper Egypt, the rise in extremist Islamist groups such as the Gama'at Islamiya during the 1980s was accompanied by attacks on Copts and on Coptic churches; these have since declined with the decline of those organizations, but still continue. The police have been accused of siding with the attackers in some of these cases.[139]

Many colleges dictate quotas for Coptic students, often around 1 or 2% despite the group making up 15% of the country's population. There is also a separate tax-funded education system called Al Azhar, catering to students from elementary to college level, which accepts no Christian Coptic students, teachers or administrators.

Hundreds of Christian Coptic girls have been kidnapped and forcibly converted to Islam, as well as being victims of rape and forced marriage to Muslim men.[138][citation needed]

On January 2, 2000, at least 21 Christians were killed by Muslims in Al Koshh in southern Egypt. Christian properties were also burned.[140][citation needed]

In April 2006, one person was killed and twelve injured in simultaneous knife attacks on three Coptic churches in Alexandria.[141]

In November 2008, several thousand Muslims attacked a Coptic church in a suburb of Cairo on the day of its inauguration, forcing 800 Coptic Christians to barricade themselves in.[142]

In April 2009, two Christian men were shot dead and another was injured by Muslim men after an Easter vigil in the south of Egypt.[143]

On September 18, 2009, a Muslim man called Osama Araban beheaded a Coptic Christian man in the village of Bagour, and injured 2 others in 2 different villages. He was arrested the following day.[144]

On the eve of January 7, 2010, after the Eastern Christmas Mass finished (which finishes around midnight), Copts were going out of Mar-Yuhanna (St. John) church in Nag Hammadi city when three Muslim men in a car near the church opened fire killing 8 Christians and injuring another 10.[145][146]

On 2011 New Year's eve, just 20 minutes after midnight as Christians were leaving a Coptic Orthodox Church in the city of Alexandria after a new year's eve service a car bomb exploded in front of the Church killing more than 20 and injuring more than 75. [147][148][149]

Saudi Arabia

Saudi Arabia is an Islamic state that practices Wahhabism and restricts all other religions, including the possession of religious items such as the Bible, crucifixes, and Stars of David.[152] Christians are arrested and lashed in public for practicing their faith openly.[153] Strict sharia is enforced. Muslims are forbidden to convert to another religion. If one does so and does not recant, they may be executed.[citation needed]
Other Muslim nations

Though Iran recognizes Assyrian and Armenian Christians as a religious minority (along with Jews and Zoroastrians) and they have representatives in the Parliament, after the 1979 Revolution, Muslim converts to Christianity (typically to Protestant Christianity) have been arrested and sometimes executed.[154] See also: Christianity in Iran.

In the 11 Northern states of Nigeria that have introduced the Islamic system of law, the Sharia, sectarian clashes between Muslims and Christians have resulted in many deaths, and some churches have been burned. More than 30,000 Christians were displaced from their homes Kano, the largest city in northern Nigeria.[155]

Muslims in India who convert to Christianity have been subjected to harassment, intimidation, and attacks by Muslims. In Jammu & Kashmir, the only Indian state with a Muslim majority, a Christian convert and missionary named Bashir Tantray was killed, allegedly by militant Islamists in 2006.[156] A Christian priest, K.K. Alavi, a 1970 convert from Islam,[157] thereby raised the ire of his former Muslim community and received many death threats. An Islamic terrorist group named "The National Development Front" actively campaigned against him.[158] In the southern state of India, Kerala, Islamic Terrorists chopped off the hand of a Professor due to allegation of blasphemy of prophet.

In the Philippines, the Moro Islamic Liberation Front and Abu Sayyaf has attacked and killed Christians.[159]

In Indonesia, religious conflicts have typically occurred in Western New Guinea, Maluku (particularly Ambon), and Sulawesi. The presence of Muslims in these regions is in part a result of the transmigrasi program of population re-distribution. Conflicts have often occurred because of the aims of radical Islamist organizations such as Jemaah Islamiah or Laskar Jihad to impose Sharia,[160][161] with such groups attacking Christians and destroying over 600 churches.[162] In 2006 three Christian girls were beheaded as retaliation for previous Muslim deaths in Christian-Muslim rioting.[163] The men were imprisoned for the murders, including Jemaah Islamiyah's district ringleader Hasanuddin.[164] On going to jail, Hasanuddin said, "It's not a problem (if I am being sentenced to prison), because this is a part of our struggle."[165]

In Afghanistan, Abdul Rahman, a 41-year-old citizen, was charged in 2006 with rejecting Islam (apostasy), a crime punishable by death under Sharia law. He has since been released into exile in the West under intense pressure from Western governments.[166][167] In 2008, the Taliban killed a British charity worker, Gayle Williams, for being a Christian.[168]

In Kosovo, since June 1999, 156 churches and monasteries have been damaged or destroyed and several priests have been killed. During the few days of the 2004 unrest in Kosovo, 35 churches and monasteries were damaged and some destroyed by Muslim mobs.

In Malaysia, although Islam is the official religion, Christianity is mostly tolerated, however, in order to be a member of the majority race (the Malays), one is legally required to be a Muslim. Also, if a non-Muslim marries a Muslim, they are legally required to convert to Islam. There is much debate over whether Malaysia is a liberal Islamic state or a very religious secular state. Full article: Freedom of religion in Malaysia

In 2002, a currently unidentified gunman killed Bonnie Penner Witherall at a prenatal clinic in Sidon, Lebanon. She had been proselytizing and attempting to convert Muslims to Christianity.[169]

Three Christian missionaries were killed in their hospital in Jibla, Yemen in December 2002. A gunman, apprehended by the authorities, said that he did it "for his religion."[170]

In Somalia November 25th 2010 Nurta Mohamed Farah, age 17. was shot and killed after fleeing her parents home where she had endured much torture and drugging, by them, in hopes that she would renounce her faith in Jesus Christ.[171]

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Palestine’s Christians Continue to Suffer Persecution

Palestinian Christians continue to struggle against persecution, particularly coverts from Islam.

by Maria MackayPosted: Wednesday, January 25, 2006, 17:30 (GMT)

Prominent Christians in the Middle East have expressed alarm at the impact intense persecution is having on Christians in Palestine, as many continue to abandon their faith and leave their homelands.

Israeli attorney and author, Justus Reid Weiner, has just penned a new book, ‘Human Rights Christians in Palestinian Society’, based on eight years of research into the human rights abuses directed at Muslims who converted to Christianity.

Originally he “doubted that anyone would victimize the adherents of the world's largest religion.”

He told Crosswalk: “But as I began to schedule interviews, I quickly learned that most of the Christian victims were reluctant to even meet me. If they agreed to reveal what they had suffered, they insisted that I refer to them by a pseudonym.”

According to Don Finto, pastor and author of ‘God’s Promise and the Future of Israel’, due for release in February, the persecution is happening primarily within the Palestinian territories.

The situation for Arab Christians within Israel, according to the author, is relatively peaceful, due to much greater acceptance and little persecution.

"Jewish people who are believers - perhaps 7,000 to 10,000 now in 130 different house groups or congregations/synagogues - are mostly tolerated, sometimes persecuted, often severely, especially by the ultra orthodox.

“The secular (80 percent of Israeli Jewish citizens are secular-cultural Jews, but not religious. They observe Passover and may even close stores etc. on Sabbath, but they are not people of significant faith) usually do not care, and even sometimes are more tolerant of the Jewish believers in Jesus than they are the ultra orthodox who want to control the country," said Finto.

“Bethlehem is no longer controlled by Israel, but by Palestinians, often hostile Muslims who accept traditional Christians who have been Christians for generations, but if a Muslim turns to faith in Jesus, he may be killed by his own family members. The evangelistic work is going forward, but has to be done very carefully, wisely and under the direction of the Holy Spirit.”

Following numerous interviews with Palestinian Christians who have experienced persecution and abuse because of their faith, Weiner concluded, “The worst treatment is often ‘reserved’ for persons who leave Islam to become Christians.”

Despite witnessing Christian persecution firsthand in the Palestinian territories, Weiner said it is often hard to assess or control persecution.

“Persecution is very hard to measure. If nobody complains does it mean that there is no persecution. It could, but in the case of the Christians living under Palestinian rule this would not be a reasonable conclusion," said Weiner.

He said that Palestinian Christians “live within an atmosphere of intimidation and denial”, which is “particularly true of many of their religious leaders”.

“Since Israel withdrew from the Palestinian cities and towns, it has very little influence over the way the Palestinian Authority and its' Muslim population behave. Moreover even humanitarian efforts by Israelis to stand up for Christians can backfire as they may be accused of being Israeli agents, a virtual death sentence in the armed anarchy of the Palestinian streets,” he said.

Weiner spoke of a pastor who was shot and left for dead at a church which was attacked 14 times.

He said in this kind of atmosphere and partially as a consequence of these attacks, “thousands are leaving the cradle of Christianity”.

“According to my estimate, if current trends continue, only the relics and holy sites will be left in another 15 years. The Christian community in Bethlehem will cease to exist,” he said.

Finto echoed this prediction: “It's so hard for Palestinian Christians to live there in Bethlehem, that they are leaving when they get a chance to leave...Somehow, they are making it very uncomfortable for them, and putting pressure on them to be pro-Palestinian, governmentally."

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If you remotely care about christians you should reorganize your priorities. They suffer everyday in Muslim lands (just look at the bombing of the coptic church 3 weeks ago in alexandria Egypt - left 30 christians dead.)

What have Jews ever done to Christians? It really does take incredible chutzpah for a Christian to even consider criticizing a Jew. Look at the crusades, inquisition, ghettos etc.
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