Wikileaks - The Proposition - The Stakes

reply to post by schrodingers dog


Hai! schrodingers dog..great thread. I want to say more but I'll let Captain America speak for me

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I am going to say this regardless of the flak I will undoubtably cop..

As I read in your OP, information and how it is monitored is fundimentally the way TPTB (whatever you call them) have controlled the people.

The current situation with Wikileaks is by far the biggest challenge to their ruse in many decades..
With what we know, it would be reasonable to assume that they have planned as best as possible for this likely event?

They have obviousy controlled the MSM who are showing little of the actual leaks and even then they are very selective. They are mainly focusing on Julian and the false arrest saga..

But what of the internet? Sites such as ATS?
I have seen members that I always thought were anti Government come out and attack Wikileaks using very little facts. Some of these members I have never before known to be so agressive in their stance..

Is it possible we are seeing the awakening of sleepers in our midst?
Planted here and waiting for just such a scenario?
We know many countries plant sleepers that are there for years or decades without being activated..

Well it's a thought worth pondering...
Now comes the flaming...

Have you guys seen this...
www.newzfor.me...
It might be worthwhile getting to make a stand against paypal.

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Thats an intriguing idea. Never heard of that before.

This is why I love this site. Star for you.

Originally posted by backinblack
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I am going to say this regardless of the flak I will undoubtably cop..

As I read in your OP, information and how it is monitored is fundimentally the way TPTB (whatever you call them) have controlled the people.

The current situation with Wikileaks is by far the biggest challenge to their ruse in many decades..
With what we know, it would be reasonable to assume that they have planned as best as possible for this likely event?

They have obviousy controlled the MSM who are showing little of the actual leaks and even then they are very selective. They are mainly focusing on Julian and the false arrest saga..

But what of the internet? Sites such as ATS?
I have seen members that I always thought were anti Government come out and attack Wikileaks using very little facts. Some of these members I have never before known to be so agressive in their stance..

Is it possible we are seeing the awakening of sleepers in our midst?
Planted here and waiting for just such a scenario?
We know many countries plant sleepers that are there for years or decades without being activated..

Well it's a thought worth pondering...
Now comes the flaming...

edit on 12-12-2010 by backinblack because: (no reason given)

You won't get any flaming from me on that one...

While I'm normally pretty wary of those who accuse others of being disinfo agents I have been incredibly surprised at the reactions of some who I would have expected to both welcome and support the recent Wikileaks revelations and actions.

Perhaps it's as you say, awakening sleepers ... or alternatively it's a realisation of (and reaction to) what it actually means to rock the boat and try to change the status quo.

Rather than accept that it might get very messy and awkward, it's just easier to denigrate and accuse those who are rocking the boat of being disinfo agents, unpatriotic, government shills, etc

@ the OP ... Wondeful SD, truly a privilige to be on the same forum as you

thank you for doing this message in video format.

i think if this were a text post, i may have skipped over it.

and im glad i did not skip over it, it was an important message.

Originally posted by backinblack
But what of the internet? Sites such as ATS?
I have seen members that I always thought were anti Government come out and attack Wikileaks using very little facts. Some of these members I have never before known to be so aggressive in their stance..

Is it possible we are seeing the awakening of sleepers in our midst?
Planted here and waiting for just such a scenario?

When it comes to domestic governments causing problems, the citizens would rather deal with domestic issues themselves. Assange is a foreign citizen who is leaking another country's national security documents. Even though many citizens are upset with our government (United States), we do not want our national security to be threatened by a foreign entity (Wikileaks & Assange). Regardless about how Assange had obtained those documents, his motivation to leak them is based upon 'destroying the United States.' if Assange was focused on the 'freedom of speech for all' philosophy, why has he not released a large amount of national security documents for Britain, Russia, China, India, Iran, Iraq, Spain, etc..? Its because he is motivated to 'destroy' the United States.

If you look at my signature below, two people have already confessed why they follow Assange. How many more of Assange's followers feel that way? Before anyone jumps on board the Wikileaks bandwagon, you should be asking yourselves, "Why is Assange focused on the United States exlusively? - and - "Who else is motivated by his message?".

Remember this quote, "It is not who you are on the inside, but what you do that defines you."

Things are not as black and white as you think.

Originally posted by Section31
if Assange was focused on the 'freedom of speech for all' philosophy, why has he not released a large amount of national security documents for Britain, Russia, China, India, Iran, Iraq, Spain, etc..? Its because he is motivated to 'destroy' the United States.

I don't know Assange so I, like everyone else, can only make (hopefully, educated) guesses at Wikileaks' modus operandi. Why has he not released a large amount of national security documents for Britain, Russia, China, India, Iraq, Spain, etc..? Perhaps, the answer is as simple as Wikileaks has not received a large amount of leaks of national security documents for those countries. To assume the quantitative differences between leaks and their respective countries of ownership is to assume an unnecessary conspiracy without reason. (And this is without even considering the fact that, right or not, the US is the primary mover of pieces on the global chess set, so obviously, the bulk of info in this arena is going to be re the US, if not initiated by the US.)

To me, this is the same as virtually all of the accusations that have been launched against Assange and Wikileaks. For some reason, people are just absolutely desperate to not only disparage Wikileaks, but to be the one that can claim, "see, I told you so" were that day to come.

It's a concern because despite the absence of known factual information that undermines Wikileaks, look how many people just covet labeling them disinfo or anti-American or whatever. If they have the information they claim to, can you imagine how rough the road ahead is going to be? If people can't reserve judgment of Wikileaks now, when there is no valid reason not to, what it's going to be like when things get really real? We'll never permit our own salvation. A cynical view, perhaps.

I'd also like to add that, after perusing the links Section31 referenced, to other posters who have negative views towards the US ... based on an indication of the rampant illegality, corruption and destabilization of our world by the US ... I'm an American and I completely share that view. It's one thing to be patriotic if that's your bag. It's quite another to stand by your country when its actions are revealed to be everything opposed to why you believe you love your country.

It's unnecessary to see the issue in a US/anti-US way. The decision-makers that have created leak-worthy information are probably not working in the best interests of the US whether they believe this or not. They are certainly not working in the best interests of the rest of the world. The citizens of the US, by and large (and particularly if they were educated enough to know anything about this information or even its existence) do not support these actions.

If fixing the world requires not so much a destruction of, but a metamorphosis of the existing political structure of the world, US included, I'll march in that parade.

Knowledge is Power...
And the Truth Shall Set You Free

So in a "free country", why the need for a Gate Keeper?

Because the government wants the POWER, and they don't want you FREE.

So they must control Knowledge and Truth.

The internet is a monkey wrench in their gears.

My only question is, if the government wants knowledge and power, why did they create and give away the internet in the first place?

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All things considered, it was still probably worth it. For every Wikileaks viewer (despite our conspiracy-minded paranoia interesting us, the average American doesn't know anything about Wikileaks, the leaked information or their relevance), look how many people have given up their lives and descended into a world of Facebook, porn (not knocking porn, I must say) and synthetic lives in games like Second Life, WoW. I would imagine if secret slavery is the goal, the Internet is probably a huge success.

I don't know, though. Mostly a hypocrite with this subject.

Love what you brought to the table there.

Love the fact it was a video too.

I have to ask you though, is there a bull outside your residence making love or something ?

Near the end I was really trying my best to listen to you, but the fornicating bull sound put me off lol


Regards

Red

Originally posted by Red_xi

I have to ask you though, is there a bull outside your residence making love or something ?

Probably, but what you hear is actually the snoring musings of Nikita on the chair next to me:

reply to post by schrodingers dog


Forget everything else, the fact is it's a dogs world as evidenced by the picture you posted, I will bet you Nikita doesn't worry about Wikileaks or the NWO. Soooooo cute.

Originally posted by harrytuttle
Knowledge is Power...
And the Truth Shall Set You Free

So in a "free country", why the need for a Gate Keeper?

Because the government wants the POWER, and they don't want you FREE.

The government is YOU. YOUR representative.

Originally posted by harrytuttle
So they must control Knowledge and Truth.

They don't need to. They just need to stop you from realising that you are responsible for finding it yourself . The 'problem' is that people on the internet will tell you about the things that you have absolutely no hope of finding for yourself or how to go about finding the specific things that will set you free. They don't control information, they simply control your perception of what information is valuable to you. What they want to limit, more than anything, is discourse. Note comparing. Organisation. Union.

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Your dog just made my day !

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You missed your true lifes calling!

Yes - you have a great face - for radio!

Cheers!

Originally posted by ianmoone1
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Yes - you have a great face - for radio!

Believe it or not my ugly is evident even on audio track ...

May I humbly suggest that you may be focusing on the wrong thing.

Great video.

And cool dog

I'm curious though, how can we be so sure an internet kill switch couldn't happen? I'm not very tech oriented, so forgive me if this is a silly question, but it seems like it would take a lot more than just getting around censorship if they really went that route.

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Starred and flagged!!!

Beautifully and eloquently spoken SD. You have a gift my brother.

Agree with everything you have said. This is THE biggest and most important story there is right now, on a global scale. This is not merely relegated to wikileaks or Assange, this is changing the very paradigm of informational freedom itself, and TPTB can NOT stop us all, nor the truth, no matter how hard they try.

This has escalated a PLANETARY awareness among the masses, and woken them up to just HOW MUCH they have been used as pawns, manipulated, and lied to, and I feel it is only going to strengthen our resolve to change this world.

This Frankenstein monster ( for them ) has gotten up off the table and ran off. lol