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Wikileaks - The Proposition - The Stakes

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posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 12:21 AM
Hi folks,

Sadly for all of us a moment of inspiration hit me earlier this evening which for some reason moved me to share some thoughts with you in person rather than in prose. I tried to do it as a regular post but could not manage to communicate the tone I was attempting to convey. Please be gentle as was a little nervous.

The topic of the video is based on my perception on what I and many others recognize as the incredible times we are living in, experiencing, and observing, and the importance/significance of how much is at stake.

Some background information: Gatekeeping

Cheers and please consider, when the time comes, standing up for the truth ... no matter what it may be.

posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 12:32 AM
Good stuff. It's good that some people on this site are understanding what this is about and haven't given into crazy paranoia. Some people are so enthralled with this all encompassing PTB idea that they will never back anything in their entire lives. I honestly think it's an issue of their insecurity. They get riled up being paranoid, yet they have nothing to be paranoid about because they don't support anything because they believe it all to be a set up.

These are indeed important times.
Thanks for speaking.

posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 12:51 AM
reply to post by schrodingers dog

Explanation: S&F!

I have watched both the video and checked out that link on Gatekeeping that was also supplied!

Good Job! I shall consider even more deeply! In the mean time, Bump for Justice!

Personal Disclosure: I was anxious and now I'm not! Nice work on that Vid [OL has hearing problems and I understood every word loud and clear without my hearing aids on
]. I would just end up spamming this thread with a thread of my own... I'll u2u it to you so as not to derail this awesome piece of work!

posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 01:01 AM
reply to post by schrodingers dog

Great to put a face to the name. We should all do this more often.

I believe you are absolutely correct in every way.
It's coming folks. Now's the time to take sides. Do you want to live in fear or Love?
Paradigms are shifting. World views are getting shattered.
A new age is upon us. An age of freedom, love, and compassion. You will either join us or you won't.

I sincerely believe that most people actually fear their own freedom. If that makes any sense.
I think it makes us more responsible and people don't want to take responsibility for their own lives.

Will you step up to the plate and take respnsibility for your own life. Are you ready to live a life of service to others?
Are we all ready for a shift in consciousness? Not in the 2012/Mayan way that you're no doubt thinking of. I mean a different way of being and existing with one another. A life built on truth, relationships built on truth, philosophies built on truth, a love of your creator based on truth.

This is exactly what we may have waiting for us on the otherside of this whole wikileaks drama being payed out right before our eyes. The snow ball is rolling and getting bigger and bigger by the day.

is this thing on
edit on 11-12-2010 by Screwed because: spelling

edit on 11-12-2010 by Screwed because: too much to drink

posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 01:01 AM
Good stuff, well said

I have a couple points that I'd like to hear your opinion on - you say Wikileaks gives us the urge to demand truth in our social experience (both online and off), and that Wikileaks has broken the gatekeeping structure of information. I agree to both of these things, but there are two paradoxes in the way Wikileaks is operating.

1) Wikileaks is a gatekeeper - they control the flow of leaked information: what information we will see in what form, and when... Let alone creating a monopoly over internet leaks. They have backlogs of unpublished leaks. It is necessary to have a selection process of what leaks are "important" (read: will get media attention), and how they are released (read: mass redactions, meetings with MSM to establish "importance" and a timeline). This is the first paradox of Wikileaks: they break down current gatekeeping structures, but it imposes its own, infused with an agenda outside of simply "building a movement for transparency".

2) We're seeing a huge movement for the censorship of the internet and the increased protection of information. In continuing to exist, Wikileaks is pushing these agendas through much faster - and with public support. By revealing "secrets" (which aren't so damning or revolutionary in the first place), the transparency movement is helping to create a system that can keep secrets better.

So, what's the best plan of action in this situation? Even though we can feel empowered to demand transparency and openness, it looks like the Wikileaks flagship of this movement is much better able to influence policy decisions that take our freedom away. Even if we show support, does it ultimately matter?

Sidenote: I'm NOT suggesting apathy. I'm asking if there's a different way of creating transparency in our lives without having to support Wikileaks.

posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 01:13 AM
The question, as it would seem to me to be, is where do we go from here?

For those of us that rely on independant, or at least what we precieve to be independant, resources, the mood is rapidly changing. Changing from frustration and indignation, to anger and in many cases rage. I am not one to make statements for the sake of making statements regularly. Therefore it is odd for me to admit that it genuinely feels like the breaking point is very near.

The question we all have to ask ourselves is this:
What can I do? How can I, as an individual, concentrate my efforts for the greater cause? What is the greater cause, and what would I be willing to sacrafice for it?
And there can be no generalized answers.

I. for one, cannot believe that this revolution, which most certainly feels to be looming on the horizon, will take place peacefully. Very serious decisions must be made......

Maybe I'm missing the point here. But I don't believe so.

posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 01:19 AM
reply to post by schrodingers dog

Mate, a flag for content and a star for going on show..
I have said over and over..
These leaks are solely to show that we are being lied to..
People don't get that and I hope you vid helps..

Information = power, the control of information = more power..

posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 02:02 AM
Bravo! the personal video format!

Tone, inflection, body language and a much enhanced sense of meaning and a visual confirmation of sincerity of thought ... added to a topic that deserves consideration. A thread delivered with added value right up front.

I would greatly enjoy more opening posts with a first person video format.

Thanks OP, I hope what you have demonstrated here catches on. (in both topic and format)

posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 03:33 AM
Good vid. You're right. Media controllers are panicing like hell because this is now how we define our rights in internet and freedom of independent media.

posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 03:41 AM
reply to post by schrodingers dog

So good to put a face with your words after all this time.

I enjoyed hearing you speak, agreed with almost everything you said. I fully agree that the people running this world keep us controlled with controlled information.

The sooner we all gather and talk like this, the sooner we will have a united idea on what to do about this world going crazy.

Unfortunately, many call people "thinking" things like "ridiculous and paranoid". Lucky for the "thinking man" those types are usually nameless ghosts doing nothing to help.

Thanks for standing up and recording this. You seem like a real man made from real materials.

PS- You already know my stance on WL...but I spared your thread the retelling of that.

PSS- I also disagree with you saying you mumble. You spoke clearly and with force.


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posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 08:44 AM
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

TextI am behind u all at WIKILEAKS 100% keep up the GOOD work , It is our right to Know about OUR WORLD .......

posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 08:56 AM
reply to post by Josie139

Well, although I'm not sure you replied to men good for you. 1ikileaks needs all the support it can getm

posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 08:57 AM
GATEKEEPING, am with you 100% , it does,nt surprise me , what you talked bout in your video,the whole world needs to wake up and smell the coffee,KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.........

posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 08:59 AM
Great video, thanks for posting

I'm fully supporting Wikileaks,Openleaks and all other future organisation like this.

posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 09:26 AM
reply to post by schrodingers dog

you know what fascinates me about you? You live a metropolitan lifestyle, as well as an intercontinental lifestyle. You see and meet new people all the time. Yet you still want to meet us. You actively search out new connections and experiences. You seem to live life the way it should be lived: 100%, all in.

Great video. A further extension of your Gatekeeper thread. I will likely repost that video.

posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 09:46 AM
Excellent. Good video, have to say i suspect you are right. This struggle is far beyond anything to do with this one 'leak'. Its a battle to determine if the future will be free or not.

Starred and flagged.

posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 10:22 AM
I agree about "TPTB" wanting to restrict the internet, but I don't think Wikileaks is any kind of a "catalyst".

Look at it this way - people will go 50/50 for/against Wikileaks. Consider the opinions you see on this site. Some think the guy is a hero, some think he is a spy who has gone against the government.

There is too much fractured opinion on this for it to work as a catalyst for change. There would be too much dissent as there is no uniform sentiment on the issue. Which in turn would cause too many problems. Which has indeed already happened - some want the guy freed, others have hacked sites in retaliation, others are calling for his head as a traitor.

What TPTB or "the gov" will do - should they want to further restrict the net - is they will "sell" this under the guise of protecting children. Because you'll get near 100% of the people behind *that*, or at least few who will complain if its "for the children".

I personally think the entire Wikileaks drama is staged. For what reason, I don't know. Perhaps to incite or justify some military activity.

I do not believe the farce which is WL is to restrict the net. All you'd need for that is a big batch of kiddie porn, one could even "invent" a widespread child trafficking ring - and voila! Net freedom would be GONE.

" As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation. " - Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf
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posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 10:34 AM
reply to post by schrodingers dog

Thank you.

Well-spoken, well done. Wasn't familiar with the term "gate-keeping" - now I know what to search, and can better articulate my own thoughts. Eg.:

I want to be my own gatekeeper.

Need more.

...and of course, S&F.

posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 11:33 AM
Excellent video SDOG!

You said it all so I have nothing further to add.

I think you were spot on regarding the gatekeeping and Wikileaks.

Interesting times ahead indeed, it's gonna be the craziest ride of our lifetime, for sure!

Now we want to see new videos from you on a regular basis, at least once a week! The SDoG's Weekly!

Keep up the the good work mate!

Woof, woof!

posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 11:39 AM
reply to post by schrodingers dog

Very good video!!!

we need more brave souls like you SD.
I agree with everything that you said in your video.

It is my hope, that people start waking up to the MSM, and how lopsided they really do sound. I mean, everyone should be scratching their heads right about now, if they are listening to these anchors, that call the release of freedom, treason. I like Ron Paul's quote, 'In the Empire of Lies, truth is treason.' (something like that).

IF, the internet did get censored, or even better/worse, cut off, do you think then, the people would wake up?
We are, after all, dealing with a people, who, in majority still prescribe to the pill that is The Official 9/11 story. Brought to you by the AIPAC funded media.

I am smiling today.
Today is a good day.

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