Video: Ron Paul Tells The Truth About WikiLeaks Infront Of Congress

Originally posted by thunderlady
reply to post by fallow the light

 

Again, I realize you went through a personal trial related to this issue and I'm not interested in antagonizing you personally, but, on the actual issue of abortion, men have absolutely no comparable experience nor do they understand that experience nor could they nor should they have a right to treat women's bodies as property.

edit on 10-12-2010 by thunderlady because: (no reason given)

Are you saying that men have NO rights or responsabilities of a child until it is born?
You know that will open another HUGE debate?
Is that the way you feel really?

reply to post by fallow the light


I don't know about "people", but I'm against him because he's anti-left. Sounds like Psi-Ops to me to hear a Faux News Toady espousing any glee for an amendment other than the 2nd.

reply to post by W3RLIED2


people dont care. even if every one heard his speech it wouldn't make a difference. people are to consumed with their i pods and text messages to truely care about what is going on. people see the media as any other reality tv show. its entertainment to them. they see no true value in anything. mr assange on the other hand does since he feels that this info is worth disclosing. or he is a puppet or an attention hog. its hard to tell. but what he is not is a criminal

I think men should have a decision to pull the plug and it matters not what the partner thinks, just like a woman does.

It's only fair.

reply to post by thunderlady


you do know that almost every news caster on fox news has a different point of view on thing right? or will you not listen to the opposition and be ignorant because one news caster says something you disagree with? maybe you should step in the oppositions shoes and look at the left and see things how the opposition sees it.

Any further off-topic posts will result in a posting ban of at least 3 days.

I suggest that if you cannot keep your cool, that you rather walk away from the thread.

Civility or nothing.

Thank you.

reply to post by Gemwolf


sorry gemwolf. wont happen again.

reply to post by Gemwolf


Thats my que to take a break.

Line 2

in hopes to keep this thread alive, i believe that ron paul is just a dreamer. if the people of america had his back he would be a revolutionary but in the current state he is only a dreamer. as for julian assange, his actions may cause the ron pauls of the world to have the back up of the people. but like i said in a previous post "people are to concerned with their i pods"

reply to post by fallow the light


If you believe Ron Paul is a dreamer simply because he believes in the constitution and that the people rule, not the Government. Then you are correct...

But isn't that the way it was meant to be??

The Government are supposed to fear the people, not the other way around..
That's democracy.....

reply to post by fallow the light


I agree, George Carlin said in one of his last acts something along the lines of "The American people have been bought out by giving them a cell phone that can make pancakes."

Like the recent student riots in London, would our kids do that, or are they to apathetic?

reply to post by Jeanius


I would say the youth of America under the age of 18 are totally screwed right now. To expand on that thought:

Children are now being given iPhones and computers before they can reach the cookie jar, if you get my drift. Is it apathy, or forced apathy? Kids from the age group of 18-30 are going to have it rough, but that is the demographic that can also make some change if we get our crap together before it's too late. The people older than 30-35 either are currently un effected by the current state of things, like my stepfather for example who still runs a successful business, or my blood father who works in the medical field; or they have come upon equally dire straits as the youth and are urging for dramatic changes. Dramatic change will be the only thing that saves America.

Now to your initial question of will American youth protest the future being given to us by the power that be, or will we stand up and fight. My answer is two fold:

1) The youth of America feels trapped within a world of MTV bull snot, materialistic items, and status among their peers. For these reasons it's my belief that most will not take any action to bring change. And most also lack the general knowledge to make any constructive, beneficial changes.

2) The youth that are educated enough about the situation and want to make a difference via protest and/or revolution of some kind are scared, as well as leaderless. I can't help any one get over fear other than to say there is nothing to fear from our government. The government as an entity can not hurt us if we stand united for a single cause with one voice. If we decided to march on washington with 1 million people and tell them we're done with it, they would have to listen. This is where Leadership must come into the equation, and which is where I feel I can be of most help.

We need a strong base of organizational leaders. Smart, young people who feel the same way about the situation, and can set some very simple, but radical changes to enact within our country. Building off of the Constitution in its original form, before modern politicians started wiping their asses with it. This group needs to be the driving force of motivation behind a revolt, and has to be able to maintain morale in the face of almost ABSOLUTE ADVERSITY.

Once there is a group of strong minds that can form an alliance with each other, then we can start planning a real American Protest. These things must happen, or we will all be indentured servants, and our children will have no hopes of understanding the feeling of living FREE.

Wow this thread derailed!

Anyway im glad he made this speech, even if it was to an almost empty crowd. I think Ron might be one of the peoples last hopes, and it absolutely disgusts me when certain people (faux news in example) defend the governments actions at all costs, no matter how severe, as if the government really has the peoples interest in mind.


Ron Paul for prez! Sure we might not agree with ALL of his views, but name one other politician you think the people could trust more.

I want to believe this guy is on our side - he seems so well-intentioned. The sad thing is that he's probably just part of the agenda to make the people THINK someone in congress is on their side.

Originally posted by Danbones
It isn't about just a couple of wars, or the installation of a couple of tin pot dicktaters...
Its about a steady state of doing business...

did u ever notice that before the
invasions of Afgh and Iraq, there were
no central banks in either country ???

Question, is there any possible way to just completely remove the off topic shenanigan that had nothing to do with what had been said in the video? Perhaps a vote or mass complaint on just clearing it all out if possible? It goes on for 6 pages and contributes nothing for the main purpose of this thread. I enjoy reading people's views when it's about the topic and seeing this personal debate that had nothing to do with what is being discussed in the video really tempted me not to click the next button and just leave this thread. It's a shame since this is really such a good topic being brought up in the video.

reply to post by thunderlady


First off I apologize for the continuation of this misogonist argument

Let me try to Sort this out. I was a far left liberal once ago but Ron Paul helped me think a bit more about reality and the importance of liberty. Liberty allows you to have your own point of view. It allows you to live side by side with someone with opposite views. If you respect individual liberties you have to respect the fact that people have their own viewpoints and it isn't up to politics to change them. Social services were created by the misogynist men you hate. They were invented to keep you down. In fact lockhead Martin owns much of the welfare system. A local community knows what's best for it's local problems not a generic federal government.

Abortion is Ron Pauls own personal viewpoint. It up to you if you know him personally to convince him of a different view and he likewise. It is not up to the government to change peoples views with laws (unless they violate personal liberty like the right to have an abortion). Ron Paul is consistent with his views on liberty by only personally being against abortion and not politically. His partial birth abortion vote had a clause in it about womens safety exemption.

It is extremely racist to use socialist tendencies like putting people in groups. Gays, Latinos, Blacks, Muslims, etc. Personal liberty leads the individual to respect each person as th individual they are not a racist group that divides us. It's racist to make "hate crimes" for instance because we never came out and said the justice system is flawed with bigotry. If a judge wasn't prosecuting murders or violence they needed to be removed and th system evaluated. But they instead continue to divide us into groups.

Social services don't help people. A community coming together to fix their problems does with individual liberty as a guide. The pre Nixon republicans are an example of that. They voted for womens rights and civil rights when the democrats wouldn't touch it. (Kennedy obviously changed that)

Social services (the way they are now) keep people poor and dependent. Thy don't give us free or cheap technical or educational training they give us just enough to have a crappy life. They also take the responsibly away from local communities. If people know the government will do it often they won't bother helping. This is inherently a bad thing for community.

I believe this post to be on topic strangely because it is the active role of liberty and democracy which is at the basis of this video. Think through it try to not just react.

As a side not mother terresa had anti abortion views but she spread far more love than any feminist I have ever read about. And in the end that's what it's all about and what the real world remembers.