lets get rid of the patriot act

ok my first real post...

the patriot act is easily one of the biggest assaults on our constitutional rights. right? i propose we use this thred as platform to have our entire ATS community to share ideas on how we can get rid of this UN-patriotic act once and for all
what is the best rout for what seems to be a massive undertakeing?

i really hope you folks participate in this thred cuas i dont realy know where to begin

-jplaysguitar

reply to post by jplaysguitar


I really agree with you, but it aint going anywhere. The Obama administration had ample time to remove it and make a stand for the constitution, they failed to do so. This administration is showing its colours to be not so different to the Bush administration, and don't for a minute thing the Republicans, who introduced the damn act, will do anything about it either.

It needs to go, along with DODT, the size of the current military budget and aid to Isreal, in my opinion.

Originally posted by jplaysguitar
ok my first real post...

the patriot act is easily one of the biggest assaults on our constitutional rights. right? i propose we use this thred as platform to have our entire ATS community to share ideas on how we can get rid of this UN-patriotic act once and for all
what is the best rout for what seems to be a massive undertakeing?

i really hope you folks participate in this thred cuas i dont realy know where to begin

-jplaysguitar

Hey jplaysguitar!

Glad to see that you've posted your first thread! Kind of a nerve wracking experience, isn't it!

There are a slew of "laws" that have been passed in the name of the war on drugs and terror that are in line with the evils of the "Patriot Act". A number that, upon reading, can leave one saying "What??? Did I really just read that?".

Unfortunately there is only one way we're going to have resolution to this issue - and that is to find a way to create a congress that is answerable to the voters and not to lobbyists. Right now the only folks getting legislative "justice" are the ones who can pay for it. And that is the heart and core of the problem. Once we conquer this one issue - all the others will, in time, right themselves. And this includes the assaults upon liberty that have happened in the past decade.

My thoughts about that, at least.

~Heff

Hello there and welcome. I just wanted to add that I think we have been given all the notice we need as to what these scumbags in the government plan. Meaning that not only has there been zero push by virtually anyone (except maybe Ron Paul) to do away with that putrid patriot act, but they have actually just been piling more oppressive laws on top of it.

I think our only chance of getting rid of any of this plutarchic (yes that is a type of government, look it up) anti-constitutional garbage is by cleaning house. And believe me the filth that is in there now will not leave easily.

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One of the rare things I think everyone here agrees on is the Patriot Act is a bad thing. As an "Act" however, only Congress, followed by the Presidents signature can get rid of it.

The Act itself is only the top of the Iceberg. Obama and Napolitano are even worse than Bush and those who came up with it. They are using it in an attempt to censor speech and move us from a Democratic Republic with freedoms to a Socialist Republic where we have no rights. Only the State has rights.

Wave at Napolitano next time your in a Walmart. Call the Police and tell them she is going around to airports fondling peoples genitals for fun.

thanks guys for the replys

yes white house has done nothing on this front i felt betrayed by obama although i did not vote for but did suport him.
back on topic it seems like lobbying for it could be an option here or grassroots suport for some candidates for removal of this horibal illegal( in my eyes) patriot act.
i feel whith enough momentum and suport we can do this
it would be a great platform for new candidate to run on
-jplays
p.s. yes it was supriseingly nerve wracking lol

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i hear you it wont be easy but most thing worth haveing dont come easy. i like your sig . Mass civil disobedience is in order for shur

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"size of the current military budget"

So I can get paid less, thanks. Will really help me support my family. Think about that one. Budget also means paychecks.

This is pretty ambitious for your first thread. Overthrowing the patriot act is going to be quite a difficult endeavor. Can I ask you why you feel it is important to overthrow this. Other than minor inconveniences, like getting your junk scanned at the airport, how has it directly effected your life or anyone else you know. I know there is potential for abuse but that is true with all power.

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oh yeah it is all the more important for us to stand up and fight .Collectively we can get some positive ideas out there and let them manifest.

reply to post by JesusChristSr


thank you for the reply. and yes it is rather ambitious. it has efected me becase it seems to be the one act enabeling a slew of rights being violated.

i mean it is not serveing the ppl its hurting our rights now.
at the time when it was introduced it was relevant but now i feel we are ready as country to move on and take our rights back

I'm in agreement with revoking the Patriot Act!
I miss and cherish my privacy and rights!
I do not choose to trade liberty for security!!!

How else do we revoke stuff?
Make big enough state level noise and put it on the ballots.
Create state-wide protests and movements.
Have large amounts of people voice up to state elected officials.
Get the proposal to revoke on the ballots.
Let the states vote.
State Law is supposed to trump Federal Law.
This is how some states allow same-sex marriage, prostitution, gambling, and marijuana legalization while other states do not.

Step 1: Make elected state officials aware there is a large enough complaint.

I'll write my letters this week. I hope you guys do the same and encourage friends and family also.

reply to post by jplaysguitar


Thanks. Yeah the Patriot Act is more than a minor inconvenience like that other fellow surmises. It is part of a foundation upon which the destruction of our free society is occuring. Not to mention it supposdly gave more rights to a federal government that is entirely overstepping the boundries that were set for it in the first place.

The federal government was never meant to be anywhere close to as powerful as it is now. And neither was the executive branch compared to the other two parts of it. It was never to have any police forces or law enforcement capacity like the alphabet soup agencies.

It's a mess. And it is a mess that in no way benefits anyone but the super rich elite. Anyone that thinks any different is completely brainwashed. They do not offer any security to any of us.

They only offer oppression under a thin illusion of security. I have much more reason to fear them, and they have taken more from me than any supposed Muslim terrorist ever will.

reply to post by jplaysguitar


But you do not know for sure it has not made you safer. If it has not directly effected your life then why do you feel so strongly about changing it. It has been in effect for 9 years now and I too don't know anyone who's life has been dramatically effected by this policy. This is why I tend to so apathetic towards this issue. Is there anyone in this thread who actually has had a extremely negative experience.

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i suppose i should write to my representatives. i always put that off due lack of faith in the reps.us but we have to start somewhere right?

reply to post by JesusChristSr

i agree not afected me un some major way
but its little by little gave um an inch now thay want a mile . i feel like frog in warm/ hot pot of water wondering why my skin is bubbling.
i literaly feel nervous posting a thred of this nature.
as an american whith free speech. i need excersise my right. and want genuine ideas starting points on how get it gone. get it? hehe thanks again guys for responding

reply to post by Redwookieaz


If you think this is a free society then you are truly brainwashed. Since when did TPTB ever care about the words that were written on the paper. It's simply necessary guidance to keep the masses in line.

reply to post by JesusChristSr


Then you just proved my point. You are right it is not a free society. As you just said above, the patriot act is meant to make us not free. So it is part of a foundation that is taking away our freedom. Just like I said.

Thank you.

reply to post by jplaysguitar


I can sympathize with the frog boiling in water feeling as I have been there myself. Sometime ago I guess I just stopped caring that they were watching. I realized that somethings were so far out of my sphere of influence that they were not worth focusing on. And if its not effecting my life then it doesn't really matter. But I do admire your passion.

Originally posted by Echo3Foxtrot
"size of the current military budget"

So I can get paid less, thanks. Will really help me support my family. Think about that one. Budget also means paychecks.

more paychecks mean more wars.
find another line of work.
I had to, it ain't so bad.
u can still support ur family.
matter of fact there are programs
that pay u to go to college
for re-programming, errr I mean
for a degree.

the military isn't the only place
to find work.